Williams, Obita, etc.

[Platypuss]

Guthrie doing none of the dirty work in midfield has not been missed.

Apart from Jem, who only played 7 games, Guthrie is averaging 0.4 tackles per game more than anyone in the entire squad this season.

That's his second touch.

[Pepe the Horseman]

I wonder what Guthrie has been doing in training - Is he learning to adapt his game and learn how to best play alongside Williams or Akpan? - If I was the manager, that's what I'd be looking to do.

It certainly worked with the previous manager.

[maffff]

Guthrie is averaging 0.4 tackles per game

One tackle every two and a half games? Maybe that's where we're going wrong.

[winchester_royal]

Tbf to Guthrie he hasn't really played with an in form Williams yet.

[melonhead]

I'm not doubting that Akpan and Williams have been a decent pairing, but I think these criticisms of Guthrie's play are predominantly based on myth.


not sure you need stats to discern that guthrie dipped seriously after a great start to the season where he was the centre of everything, most prob due to teams working this out, or the loss of karacan.

every time ive seen him more recently he looked really inneffective. regardless of the stats

[Sanguine]

Guthrie is averaging 0.4 tackles per game

One tackle every two and a half games? Maybe that's where we're going wrong.

You cut the sentence in half and made it mean something else.

[Sanguine]

every time ive seen him more recently he looked really inneffective. regardless of the stats

Stats aren't everything, but they can be compared for everyone, and he has clearly been more effective than you thought.

[maffff]

Guthrie is averaging 0.4 tackles per game

One tackle every two and a half games? Maybe that's where we're going wrong.

You cut the sentence in half and made it mean something else.

Apologies.

Apart from Jem, who only played 7 games, Guthrie is averaging 0.4 tackles per game more than anyone in the entire squad this season. Of non-defenders, only Chris Baird recorded more interceptions per game.

One tackle every two and a half games? Maybe that's where we're going wrong.

Isn't that what 0.4 per game (or 2.5 games per tackle) means?

[melonhead]

every time ive seen him more recently he looked really inneffective. regardless of the stats

Stats aren't everything, but they can be compared for everyone, and he has clearly been more effective than you thought.

nope. exactly as inneffective as i thought

[Sanguine]

'more than anyone else....' was the key point, and was specifically in response to the suggestion that he doesn't do any 'dirty work', which is plainly not the case.

[melonhead]

i never mentioned dirty work in regards to why he had become ineffective though

[Sanguine]

i never mentioned dirty work in regards to why he had become ineffective though

No, leon did, that's who I was responding to, originally.

[maffff]

'more than anyone else....' was the key point, and was specifically in response to the suggestion that he doesn't do any 'dirty work', which is plainly not the case.

I was just thinking that sounds pretty shit all round. Leigertwood I swear used to average more than a couple a game.

[Sanguine]

Each team in the division averages between 14 and 19 tackles a game (we are 16.8 ) - I guess possession changes hands through interceptions and sloppy passing, missed shots etc a lot more than where the ball is actually won in the tackle.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Mafffffffff, it's '0.4 tackles per game more than anyone else', not '0.4 tackles per game, more than anyone else'.

[mr_number]

Are you not watching the curling, Peps?

[maffff]

Mafffffffff, it's '0.4 tackles per game more than anyone else', not '0.4 tackles per game, more than anyone else'.

Oh jesus. I really didn't get that did I, it was the invisible comma after game that threw me. Apols Sanguine.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Are you not watching the curling, Peps?

Na, bit busy today m8

[Sanguine]

No worries, I didn't get that you didn't get it.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Mafffffffff, it's '0.4 tackles per game more than anyone else', not '0.4 tackles per game, more than anyone else'.

Oh jesus. I really didn't get that did I, it was the invisible comma after game that threw me. Apols Sanguine.

It was pretty painful to watch.