If we went up

[Nameless]

How about we spend nothing on players all ST renewals are free of charge. I reckon that would be about £6 million , so we'd still be financially Ok and if we were all watching free Premiership football there possibly might not be too much moaning .

All hypothetical of course with 4 games still to be won....

[Cureton's Volley]

I'd be happy to go up, spend nothing, take 6 points of Newcastle & West Ham (standard) - then come back down leaving Derby's record in tact

[SCIAG]

Hull's summer spending was comparable to ours, again if you factor in Pogrebnyak's perks. And the same for Norwich and Swansea when they were first promoted.

That is just nonsense.

You are totally right. I did not research sufficiently. Wikipedia's list of transfers included Elmo and Davies under last season for some stupid reason. I was going on £5m Huddlestone, £2.5m Sagbo + McGregor. I thought it was reasonable to assume that combined fees for Mariappa and our frees would add up to their spending on Huddlestone, Boyd and Figueroa. In light of your information, I completely retract that ludicrous statement.

If comparisons are going to be made, then they have to be comparing the same things. You can't say that our spending includes 'extras' but Hull or Crystal Palaces spending doesn't.

This is true. A "free" transfer is not the same thing as a paid transfer. Players demand significantly more because they know clubs are getting them for far below their market value. Pogrebnyak in particular was in demand, and we knew we wouldn't be able to sign someone of his stature in the transfer market. It is well documented that we are paying his mortgage in a fancy London flat, as well as a seven-figure signing on fee. It is reasonably fair to assume that Elmo and Gunter received similar signing on fees and other extras, but we know Pogrebnyak received unusual incentives to join us. I didn't want to estimate them for every player, merely that we probably paid significantly more than most promoted clubs because we relied on Bosmans.

Lol, so if you discount all of Palace's signings that would take their expenditure over ours, then they have spent about the same. Makes sense.

The point isn't "did Crystal Palace spend more than Reading?", it's "how much spending is necessary to stay up?"

Palace wasted a lot of money on players that they have since released, sent on loan to the Championship, or left on the bench all season. They may as well have spent that money refitting the away dressing room to be gold plated, because it hasn't helped their fight against relegation. If they had just spent on Bannan, Mariappa, Dann, etc., they would be no worse off than if they had signed 40 players for another £20m.

[percy_freeman]

Jesus, I hope we don't go up.........

[paddy20]

Hull's summer spending was comparable to ours, again if you factor in Pogrebnyak's perks. And the same for Norwich and Swansea when they were first promoted.

That is just nonsense.

You are totally right. I did not research sufficiently. Wikipedia's list of transfers included Elmo and Davies under last season for some stupid reason. I was going on £5m Huddlestone, £2.5m Sagbo + McGregor. I thought it was reasonable to assume that combined fees for Mariappa and our frees would add up to their spending on Huddlestone, Boyd and Figueroa. In light of your information, I completely retract that ludicrous statement.

If comparisons are going to be made, then they have to be comparing the same things. You can't say that our spending includes 'extras' but Hull or Crystal Palaces spending doesn't.

This is true. A "free" transfer is not the same thing as a paid transfer. Players demand significantly more because they know clubs are getting them for far below their market value. Pogrebnyak in particular was in demand, and we knew we wouldn't be able to sign someone of his stature in the transfer market. It is well documented that we are paying his mortgage in a fancy London flat, as well as a seven-figure signing on fee. It is reasonably fair to assume that Elmo and Gunter received similar signing on fees and other extras, but we know Pogrebnyak received unusual incentives to join us. I didn't want to estimate them for every player, merely that we probably paid significantly more than most promoted clubs because we relied on Bosmans.

Lol, so if you discount all of Palace's signings that would take their expenditure over ours, then they have spent about the same. Makes sense.

The point isn't "did Crystal Palace spend more than Reading?", it's "how much spending is necessary to stay up?"

Palace wasted a lot of money on players that they have since released, sent on loan to the Championship, or left on the bench all season. They may as well have spent that money refitting the away dressing room to be gold plated, because it hasn't helped their fight against relegation. If they had just spent on Bannan, Mariappa, Dann, etc., they would be no worse off than if they had signed 40 players for another £20m.

Not sure that is that logical, otherwise you would have to add in a failure policy to all the calculations for everyone. Palace may or may not financially had more failures but you can't just extract those figures for one club

[Mr Angry]

There is an alternative to the options listed in the original post;

4. Anton and TSI decide to hang around for the kudos and the TV money, continue to take out form the Premier League cash machine and put back in tiddly squat so that in 2 years time we are in an even worse position than we are today.


In my opinion, the best thing that can happen for RFC is TSI and Anton to sell up and leave us be; that is ONLY going to happen if we fail to get promotion this season. Therefore, getting promotion this season is not - in my opinion - in the longer term interests of our football club.

[Royal Biscuitman]

We go up
We keep the same squad
The £60m TV revenue comes in the profit gets split 49% SJM and 51% TSI
TSI make a decent return which they then use to buy the remaining 49% off a desperate SJM
SJM disappears from the limelight
TSI pocket the parachute payments
TSI mortgage the stadium to run the club in the hope that we go up again and they get another £60m
Ticket prices increase

[SCIAG]

Not sure that is that logical, otherwise you would have to add in a failure policy to all the calculations for everyone. Palace may or may not financially had more failures but you can't just extract those figures for one club

I didn't just do it for Palace - I also discounted Sweeney, Carrico, and (perhaps unnecessarily) Blackman.

[Huntley & Palmer]

If by some chance we went up this year what on earth would happen?

1. Mr Mad carries on as usual. We might be allowed the odd player as long as we spend less than £5-10m. Result- we have no chance of staying up

2. We sell the club. It will take at least 3 months to go through and no money will be available during this time. We spend even less

3. We start the season with pretty much the same squad. By the time the Jan transfer window comes already too far adrift

Bit negative I know but can't see any other outcome. Still rather see that though than not go up!

I get to watch Premiership football for £375, s'all that matters

[harry]

4) Team spirit pulls us through, we win the league, next stop champions of europe.

Bloody pessimist

[harry]

I'd be happy to go up, spend nothing, take 6 points of Newcastle & West Ham (standard) - then come back down leaving Derby's record in tact

Make that 6 points off each of them and throw in at least 4 off Chelsea and you've got yourself a deal.

[Reading4eva]

Whose to say these youngsters won't be able to keep us there. Maybe Adkins is keeping Kuhl, Stacey and co as a trump card. Throw them in at the deep end with a mix of our current crop and I think you'll see they will swim rather than sink