FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

[Sanguine]

If that bold bit comes true I'll do an excited wee.

[Who Moved The Goalposts?]

An excellent read if you can stop whining for just 5 minutes. http://t.co/aDNUYsGwS0

If you still want to complain about lack of ambition and nonsense like that, please, for our entertainment, give it your best shot.

Back of fag packet response .....



A self-financed transfer window.

Think you can add more to the income - we got circa £600K for Antonio's sell on on (which effectively paid for Cox).

What is just as important in all these dealings is that Adkins is building a more balanced squad. I'd imagine he's thinking that we're a way off from where he wants it to be - which is where any war chest from the new owners will prove important - but he and the club have made a solid and very prudent start.

Still, where's all the money gone?

[winchester_royal]

CW says two more deals were signed off by the money men but fell through as players went elsewhere.

Money there to be spent, which is a promising sign.

[genome]

Given the st8 we were in before pre-season, to have signed Cox, Mackie, Murray, Ferdinand and Norwood come the end of the transfer window is just fine by me. I wonder if we had signed 2 or 3 of those on Deadline Day if people would be as frustrat8ed?

[JC]

An excellent read if you can stop whining for just 5 minutes. http://t.co/aDNUYsGwS0

If you still want to complain about lack of ambition and nonsense like that, please, for our entertainment, give it your best shot.

Back of fag packet response .....



A self-financed transfer window.

Carrico £1.5 million?

[PremAddict]

Charles Watts is the voice of reason once again.

CW is the voice of reason primarily because he is objective - being a Gunners supporter first and foremost.

[percy_freeman]

Whilst I am not entirely unhappy about the business done this window, this article fall to bits from the off. Why were all the staff busy last night on a Loan deal that could of been done next week???
The figures quoted elsewhere don't ring true either. What about the money received for D Carrico.
My main whinge or whine is because every time there's a window, we get someone from the club ie last time SJM saying money is available and this time NA saying "we expect to be very busy tomorrow" then oxf*rd all happens....

[sandman]

"They never promised anything and you're an idiot for thinking that they did" came the stock reply from the usual suspects.

[winchester_royal]

We were days from administration and in a boat load of debt. Do people seriously need to ask where the money is gone? Do people not realise that the club runs at a loss?

And we were active. We signed a guy who scored 30 goals in his last season at this level. We had two other deals in place that fell through. That happens, sometimes players follow the money. But we were active. You don't have to be a club spokesman (as you so aptly put it on another thread Sandy) to see that.

[Gordons Cumming]

Do you know what?

I didn't realise we were so close to administration.

How did I miss that?

Only realised recently..

Why?

I know this is not the thread for it.......

[sandman]

Whilst I am not entirely unhappy about the business done this window, this article fall to bits from the off. Why were all the staff busy last night on a Loan deal that could of been done next week???
The figures quoted elsewhere don't ring true either. What about the money received for D Carrico.
My main whinge or whine is because every time there's a window, we get someone from the club ie last time SJM saying money is available and this time NA saying "we expect to be very busy tomorrow" then oxf*rd all happens....

Find both sides pretty annoying these days winchy. You've got the people who want the club to spend a bit more and appear "more active". Then you have the "sensible", know it all people, who proclaim that we've done a great job and won't hear a word said against the club whether it's a valid point or not.

All it ever ends up with is both sides having a squabble until we get a result out of the next match and then start squabbling about all the other inane shit we squabble about.

[winchester_royal]

It's the HNA way

[Lower West]

Much prefer to have a football club to support. Than see Reading pay these highly inflated prices for very average players. Drenthe is a good example of wasted promised.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

One fact I don't get is how perilously 'close' we were to administration.

I do not wish to trawl through all the detail but in essence I will summarise:

1) Understand completely there are a few 'choice' contracts where they are earning silly money & this needed addressing
2) Understand completely we have accumulated losses


However most clubs run with accumulated losses as we have done ourselves for a long time. I don't quite understand how the above 2 items became so critical this summer & not before.

Did Anton fcuk off with some of the Sky money & was JM wanting full payment for his share of the club or a combo of both?

[Wycombe Royal]

Whilst I am not entirely unhappy about the business done this window, this article fall to bits from the off. Why were all the staff busy last night on a Loan deal that could of been done next week???

If done next week it would be an emergency loan for a maximum of 93 days, which is roughly one month shorter than the deal we signed yesterday.

[Elm Park Pasty]

Whilst I am not entirely unhappy about the business done this window, this article fall to bits from the off. Why were all the staff busy last night on a Loan deal that could of been done next week???

If done next week it would be an emergency loan for a maximum of 93 days, which is roughly one month shorter than the deal we signed yesterday.

Can you loan to purchase under the emergency loan rules? This is a test drive. By the sounds of it we already have the option to buy so what's the problem?

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

Jm kept us out of administration from Jan onwards. He does not expect to see that money back. He only would had we gone up, we didn't.
Personally I.want the.club to live within its income streams, not risk money we don't have, or expect owners to give it money. Loans yes like Jm did,, but not gifted, because when they stop giving it falls apart very fast.

[Wycombe Royal]

Whilst I am not entirely unhappy about the business done this window, this article fall to bits from the off. Why were all the staff busy last night on a Loan deal that could of been done next week???

If done next week it would be an emergency loan for a maximum of 93 days, which is roughly one month shorter than the deal we signed yesterday.

Can you loan to purchase under the emergency loan rules? This is a test drive. By the sounds of it we already have the option to buy so what's the problem?

Yes you can, but the initial loan period would still only be 93 days meaning that he would have to return to Palace for most of December before rejoining permanently in January. I seem to remember that exact scenario with Leigertwood, but I might be wrong.

[Zana Badawi]

An excellent read if you can stop whining for just 5 minutes. http://t.co/aDNUYsGwS0

If you still want to complain about lack of ambition and nonsense like that, please, for our entertainment, give it your best shot.

Had a little chuckle that NA was 'very active' on a single loan deal, because, yeah, that's exactly what he implied when he said it.

A self-financed transfer window.

That's all well and good if players were just numbers.
(FTR, if we do spend 7 million+ in the January window, Ill send you a packet of hobnobs, no questions asked.)
But if you look beyond the numbers, I would like to say the following

1. Le Fondre and McCarthy were (arguably) two of the most popular players at the club
2. There is no way that Ferdinand is a reliable replacement for Morrison. Centre Back has always been a key position we've lacked depth in (for some time now) and Id much rather we addressed that non-speculatively sooner or later
3. Lets not get overexcited by Drenthe. Our position hasn't really changed. We are still paying him a lot to do nothing at all.
4. Cox was let go originally because he couldn't get into the squad, and now several years later he is now only a half-million pound championship player. He's hardly progressed and now he is deemed good enough. A clear definition of a club in decline.
5. I disagree that Norwood (in the opinion of CW) offers 'something new'. Our buying strategy in recent years have consisted of 'A central midfielder +AN Other'. What exactly does an unreliable central midfielder who may just be too good for the championship at his best offer us that Guthrie doesn?
6. Given that we've got the U21s/U18s queuing up to be played, I would have thought that this would be a good time to reduce the number of players we're giving contracts to. Its the number of players not giving VFM for their contracts that has contributed to our 'near administration'. Injury crisis or not, I don't want to see our squad size increase.

I didn't think the window was that bad (Im bitterly disappointed that McCarthy has gone, mind you) but lets face it, its not beyond criticism. Seems a shame that CW has been suckered into feeling the need to show solidarity at the expense of more sensible reporting.

[SPARTA]

Just to add as well that as mentioned, two more players were signed off by the board, one a season loan and one perm, and a fee is agreed with Palace for Murray in Jan if we take him. Also contract renewals often carry a signing on fee, and we have quite a few to get done, so that will eat into the budget as well.