Royals ready to pay for Bikey?

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by Huntley & Palmer » 16 Mar 2007 12:00

Royal Rother It is plain daft to point the finger at Bikey for goals conceded. Presumably the other 30 or 40 goals we have conceded can also be allocated at someone's door.


Of course not every goal is down to a single person but those three are directly attributable to his poor marking and concentration. He seems to lose his marker too easily, allowing them time to score goals or shots on goal.

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by shaka's shorts » 16 Mar 2007 12:01

Yes please. £1.5 million is a snip & he's better (& younger) than Dubes

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by Huntley & Palmer » 16 Mar 2007 12:02

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Huntley & Palmer 1 red 6 yellow in 17 games. I just don't think his temperament will be controllable enough for the English game

When has his temperament been a problem (apart from the pre-season friendly)? Haven't all his bookings, including the two against Chelsea been for clumsy challlenges?


He goes to ground too easily, hence the clumsy challenges. A good defender like Ivar can read the game and intercept or force the opposing player to hold up or move away from goal. Bikey's constant mind set of going through players is just too much of a liability for me

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by Royalee » 16 Mar 2007 12:02

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Huntley & Palmer 1 red 6 yellow in 17 games. I just don't think his temperament will be controllable enough for the English game, there have been countless occasions where he has cost us goals. I just think that we could do better at this level


Which goals has he cost us for? I think you're forgetting he's very young, looks comfortable on the ball, is strong and can defend superbly. You then look at us having to pay £800k for the likes of Duberry and then tell me we can get a better player for £1.5 million.


Off the top of my head

Saha in the Cup replay
Silva penalty
Heskey opener


So that's a three from 17 games then (I think I'm being generous in not chalking off the Heskey goal given Hahnemann's pathetic attempt to cover his near post from miles out). Shall we now start counting up his last ditch tackles, the robbing of Rooney in the replay when the rest of the defence all got caught out of position and his immense performances at places like Eastlands?

But you're right, he's a hothead and he gives goals away...

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by Wycombe Royal » 16 Mar 2007 12:03

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Huntley & Palmer 1 red 6 yellow in 17 games. I just don't think his temperament will be controllable enough for the English game

When has his temperament been a problem (apart from the pre-season friendly)? Haven't all his bookings, including the two against Chelsea been for clumsy challlenges?


He goes to ground too easily, hence the clumsy challenges. A good defender like Ivar can read the game and intercept or force the opposing player to hold up or move away from goal. Bikey's constant mind set of going through players is just too much of a liability for me

So why say his temperament is a problem? I don't see that as being a cause of clumsy challenges.


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by Dickie's Spear » 16 Mar 2007 12:09

Bikey is the man.
Get him now, he's shown rapid improvement,
why get him out and then have to spend another season
making his sucessor up to speed, when the goods are already there.?

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by Huntley & Palmer » 16 Mar 2007 12:12

His characteristic is to get the tackle in, even if it is not the best option. A lot of them are needless fouls and you can see Ivar telling him to calm down. Sounds like a temperament issue to me

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by Whistle » 16 Mar 2007 12:12

I like him. He makes me laugh, backheeling his way round Rooney, cooling beating people in his own pen area, hitting great 50 yard balls.

He's a footballing centre half - like Wdowczyk and John Harley.

Sure he's prone to the odd error but he's young enough to benefit from coaching and experience. £1.5 mill - got to be worth a punt.

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by Nick Shorey my Lord! » 16 Mar 2007 12:16

IF he remembers that the game of football is played for 90 minutes rather than just the second half then I'd say go for it.


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by Nick Shorey my Lord! » 16 Mar 2007 12:16

Whistle He's a footballing centre half - like Wdowczyk.


This is clearly wrong.

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by Wycombe Royal » 16 Mar 2007 12:17

Huntley & Palmer His characteristic is to get the tackle in, even if it is not the best option. A lot of them are needless fouls and you can see Ivar telling him to calm down. Sounds like a temperament issue to me

Sounds like a decision making/reading of the game issue to me. And he has shown a huge improvement from the start of the season.

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by Finchley Royal » 16 Mar 2007 12:19

Whistle

He's a footballing centre half - like Wdowczyk


I like him too. However, I'm not sure I've ever seen a centre half less like Darius than Bikey.

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by Huntley & Palmer » 16 Mar 2007 12:29

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Huntley & Palmer His characteristic is to get the tackle in, even if it is not the best option. A lot of them are needless fouls and you can see Ivar telling him to calm down. Sounds like a temperament issue to me

Sounds like a decision making/reading of the game issue to me. And he has shown a huge improvement from the start of the season.


Unless I am going mental then temperament is the manner of thinking, behaving or reacting characteristic of a person. Or are you just being a bit pedantic here?


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by RFCMod » 16 Mar 2007 12:36

Huntley & Palmer 1 red 6 yellow in 17 games. I just don't think his temperament will be controllable enough for the English game, there have been countless occasions where he has cost us goals. I just think that we could do better at this level


The same as many said about Sonks when he came

I think Sir Steve will control his temper and round him into a top all round player

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by RG30 » 16 Mar 2007 12:49

If the £1.5million fee being mooted around is correct, I'll snap him up ASAP. Yes his discipline and tempremant can be questioned but he's 22/23, so he is still learning and has time on his side. He's matured as the season has gone on and will offer us the extra versatility with him able to step into midfield.

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by Huntley & Palmer » 16 Mar 2007 13:03

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Huntley & Palmer 1 red 6 yellow in 17 games. I just don't think his temperament will be controllable enough for the English game, there have been countless occasions where he has cost us goals. I just think that we could do better at this level


The same as many said about Sonks when he came

I think Sir Steve will control his temper and round him into a top all round player


I just don't think we have the time to do that in the Premiership, you need to have players able to step in at any time that can handle the situation. Any little mistake is punished at this level, Sonko and RFC had the advantage of playing at a lower level and slowly improving Sonks. I don't think that luxury is now afforded us. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying he is a poor player. He has shown some excellent ability at points and an ability to read the game well but he doesn't get going quick enough by which time we could already be one or two nil down. I think we need someone ready for this level, be it that it costs us treble the price of Bikey or not.

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by Sharpy » 16 Mar 2007 13:07

Huntley & Palmer I think we can find better for the money. A walking red card currently


same here....looks very dodgy occasionally

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by Tinrib » 16 Mar 2007 13:08

He's no doubt a good footballer, and for £1.5m seems good value.

The question surely is, what position is he being bought for?

CB cover is very good, (Sonks, Ingi, Doobs, Bennet, Sodje, Brown) and given we've seen glimpses of Bikey in centre mid, could he end up being Sidders replacement IF he goes..?

But wherever he plays a good signing, and fits the young & hungry mould nicely.

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by Hoop Blah » 16 Mar 2007 13:13

I'm with H&P on this. He's looked ok at times, suspect on many occassions and very good for a desperate 15 minutes against Utd in the cup when he was almost left to defend on his own.

As for being comfortable on the ball, a ball playing centre half etc etc, do you people not remember Murty teaching him how to kick the ball during the Wigan (I think) game? He can 'ping' a ball when given time, but thats not being a ball player.

The advantage Bikey has over any other centre half we might look at is that he's already part of the squad and doesn't need that settling in period, and doesn't represent the gamble involved with any new signing because we already know him.

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by 79Royal » 16 Mar 2007 13:16

If we pay £1.5m and he turns out to be as good as Sonko, it'll be a fantastic bit of business. Given his age, I reckon it's worth the risk.

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