Dolan: 'Academy is a success'...but Gooding's unconvinced

[readingbedding]

Some people are obviously upset that a youth hater such as Coppell is still the RFC boss.

Oh well.

[brendywendy]

That is four or five times more than Coppell saw Fae and Cisse before he signed them btw, hth.

can you stop just repeating the same old shite please

there isnt a manager in the premiere league who hasnt bought a player without personally flying out and watching him play
not one



and i reckon if seol had stayed, we would have stayed up
if brynn had remained fit we would have stayed up
the margins were tiny

[wolsey]

Of course, all we're doing is providing a mirage, coaching youngsters who are clearly good enough to be a first team regular with Reading, but we're not bothering, because we just can't be bothered.

Coppell can't even spell mirage.

No, you're right, a degree from a proper university doesn't require any level of literacy (unlike the glorified BTECs that they willing to hand out from Bournemouth Tech.)

[Royalee]

All of those had performed very well for their previous clubs and were given a chance to make the step up. Not every signing works out and you can spend £10m and still get a failure.

Also it is harsh to include Seol on that list. He cntributed a lot in his time here with crucial goals and assists but ultimately he wasn't a headless chicken like Hunt and therefore became a scapegoat for the fans. I would rather have had Seol in the team last season than Hunt.

Although I half agree with you on the Seol point (he had a decent start to our first Premiership season), he had a lot of talent and very little application. I'd still rather have him than Hunt though as I too prefer end product to lots of hustle and bustle and no end product. He still was ultimately a failure though as he didn't establish himself as first choice, fell out with the manager and then left after a year - not much of a return on his transfer fee.

It's all very well being a good player at a club, but as a manager you have to gauge whether or not the step up in class can be made by these players. Unfortunately, Coppell does not seem capable of this with a very low percentage of his signings working out save for one summer (out of what, fourteen or fifteen transfer windows since he took charge?) when he had to make enforced changes. You would have at least thought that given his wealth of managerial experience, he would be able to have made more than two signings in Bikey and Matejovsky capable of playing in the Premiership on a consistent basis.

[readingbedding]

Of course, all we're doing is providing a mirage, coaching youngsters who are clearly good enough to be a first team regular with Reading, but we're not bothering, because we just can't be bothered.

Coppell can't even spell mirage.

No, you're right, a degree from a proper university doesn't require any level of literacy (unlike the glorified BTECs that they willing to hand out from Bournemouth Tech.)

I don't know, playing for Manchester United and studying Economic History at Liverpool University or, Bournemouth University and seeing the RFC Academy play a few times...

It's tight.

[readingbedding]

Personally, we haven't had anyone coming through of the class of S Taylor, S Lovell, A Williams - these players came through back in the early 1990's..
But they started at 3rd Div and progressed with the team...and yeah, it's a different wolrd now and perhaps they may not have pushed through with the set-up we have now.

I think Gooding is a bit bemused why Cardiff can have Ramsay, Southampton can have Bale, Walcott, Ipswich can have Dyer coming through etc, etc and we can't.

I'm not saying that we have good young pro's at the club, we do, but we don't have someone who is a truly accomplished player at that age.

Perhaps if we stayed in the Championship, some of them would have broken through by now.
I am hoping that some of them can emerge this season, if not Gooding's concern could well be spot on.

to be fair im not sure any of those players would walk into top prem teams, straight off the bat out of a lower league academy

Where did I say that they did?

Do we have anyone as good as those I mentioned?

[Royalee]

Of course, all we're doing is providing a mirage, coaching youngsters who are clearly good enough to be a first team regular with Reading, but we're not bothering, because we just can't be bothered.

Coppell can't even spell mirage.

No, you're right, a degree from a proper university doesn't require any level of literacy (unlike the glorified BTECs that they willing to hand out from Bournemouth Tech.)

You do know Coppell went to a BTEC?

Your post made me chuckle btw - I'll give you an A for effort, but an F for execution given your poor grammar in your assumption that 'they willing to hand out' from Bournemouth.

Must try harder, chin up though.

[readingbedding]

Wrong Mr BTEC.

Don't try your silly point-scoring when you don't know what you are talking about...

Coppell was a nippy, incisive wide player in his youth but despite interest from some top clubs, he chose to join lower league Merseyside club Tranmere Rovers as he wanted to study for a degree in economic history at the University of Liverpool.

By 1974, Coppell was playing for Tranmere, studying for his degree and coaching the university team. But in 1975 his life changed when Manchester United made an offer of £60,000 for him. Coppell lied to Manchester United about his wages (after being asked to by his Tranmere manager) but his prospective new club instantly offered to double his supposed 'wage' anyway and Coppell signed.

The University of Liverpool is a university in the city of Liverpool, England. It is a member of the Russell Group, and founded in 1881 it is also one of the six original civic universities. The university has produced eight Nobel Prize winners and today has more than 230 first degree courses across 103 subjects, as well as an annual income of £219 million, including £75 million for research...


And in comparison:

Bournemouth University is a university in and around the large south coast town of Bournemouth, UK (although its main campus is actually situated in neighbouring Poole). It has several well respected (John Kimble, 1999) departments including The School of Health and Social Care, The School of Services Management, The Business School, School of Design, Engineering & Computing and the Media School,[2] recognised as the only Centre for Excellence in Media Practice.[3] In 2009 the University will have a four star training hotel for students within the School of Services Management, it will be the first in the UK.

Hotel sounds GREAT!

[Wycombe Royal]

Coppell can't even spell mirage.

No, you're right, a degree from a proper university doesn't require any level of literacy (unlike the glorified BTECs that they willing to hand out from Bournemouth Tech.)

You do know Coppell went to a BTEC?

Your post made me chuckle btw - I'll give you an A for effort, but an F for execution given your poor grammar in your assumption that 'they willing to hand out' from Bournemouth.

Must try harder, chin up though.

Every biography I have ever read about Steve Coppell says he went to the University of Liverpool, which was never a BTEC

[wolsey]

You do know Coppell went to a BTEC?

Your post made me chuckle btw - I'll give you an A for effort, but an F for execution given your poor grammar in your assumption that 'they willing to hand out' from Bournemouth.

Must try harder, chin up though.

My error was due to lack of typing skills rather than poor grammar - although I can't admit to being surprised that you have missed the blindingly obvious.

BTW do you know what a BTEC is? (Give you a clue - it's not an Institution)

[Royalee]

I was unaware he went to Liverpool Uni and admit my mistake. Anyone know what he got in the end?

It's a shame that the History of Economics clearly had no links to man management or marketing.

[brendywendy]

Personally, we haven't had anyone coming through of the class of S Taylor, S Lovell, A Williams - these players came through back in the early 1990's..
But they started at 3rd Div and progressed with the team...and yeah, it's a different wolrd now and perhaps they may not have pushed through with the set-up we have now.

I think Gooding is a bit bemused why Cardiff can have Ramsay, Southampton can have Bale, Walcott, Ipswich can have Dyer coming through etc, etc and we can't.

I'm not saying that we have good young pro's at the club, we do, but we don't have someone who is a truly accomplished player at that age.

Perhaps if we stayed in the Championship, some of them would have broken through by now.
I am hoping that some of them can emerge this season, if not Gooding's concern could well be spot on.

to be fair im not sure any of those players would walk into top prem teams, straight off the bat out of a lower league academy

Where did I say that they did?

Do we have anyone as good as those I mentioned?

not yet

henry could be, kanu could be, pearce could be, jem karacan will be
clubs should really stop with the "oh my god-hes 18 and still hasnt made it, must be shit, lets let him go mentality"

[readingbedding]

In the English Premier League, The League Managers Association Manager of the Year Award is an annual award given to a manager from any division for his achievements in the prior season.
The award is voted by fellow professional managers...

2005-06 Steve Coppell, Reading
2006-07 Steve Coppell, Reading

[Ian Royal]

In the English Premier League, The League Managers Association Manager of the Year Award is an annual award given to a manager from any division for his achievements in the prior season.
The award is voted by fellow professional managers...

2005-06 Steve Coppell, Reading
2006-07 Steve Coppell, Reading

The HNA? Team board gibberish award is an annual award which is given to Royalee every year by his "peers". This is despite heavy pressure from Spacecruiser (bleatings on the french and arsenal) and RTFCDrummer (being educationally subnormal)

I know which person I'd rather have in charge of our first team.

[SpaceCruiser]

The HNA? Team board gibberish award is an annual award which is given to Royalee every year by his "peers". This is despite heavy pressure from Spacecruiser (bleatings on the french and arsenal) and RTFCDrummer (being educationally subnormal)

OI!

I'd have expected SDR and Thou Voice to be well ahead of me in the stakes for that award.

[Royalee]

In the English Premier League, The League Managers Association Manager of the Year Award is an annual award given to a manager from any division for his achievements in the prior season.
The award is voted by fellow professional managers...

2005-06 Steve Coppell, Reading
2006-07 Steve Coppell, Reading

In 2003/4 Reading started the season in the Football League Championship
In 2008/9 Reading started the season in the Football League Championship

[brendywendy]

In the English Premier League, The League Managers Association Manager of the Year Award is an annual award given to a manager from any division for his achievements in the prior season.
The award is voted by fellow professional managers...

2005-06 Steve Coppell, Reading
2006-07 Steve Coppell, Reading

In 2003/4 Reading started the season in the Football League Championship
In 2008/9 Reading started the season in the Football League Championship

2003 royalee spouting the same old shit

2008 royalee spouting the same old shit

[Ian Royal]

The HNA? Team board gibberish award is an annual award which is given to Royalee every year by his "peers". This is despite heavy pressure from Spacecruiser (bleatings on the french and arsenal) and RTFCDrummer (being educationally subnormal)

OI!

I'd have expected SDR and Thou Voice to be well ahead of me in the stakes for that award.

I ignore them, sorry.

[papereyes]

I'm genuinely not sure how you can say the academy has been a success when we've neither managed to improve our first team with academy players nor recoup a significant amount of the £2.5 odd million a year we invest in it.

That said, it is a long term venture and its lack of success so far can be mitigated by future successes and the fact that it has had to adapt to the club's rapidly increasing league position.

[Ian Royal]

In the English Premier League, The League Managers Association Manager of the Year Award is an annual award given to a manager from any division for his achievements in the prior season.
The award is voted by fellow professional managers...

2005-06 Steve Coppell, Reading
2006-07 Steve Coppell, Reading

In 2003/4 Reading started the season in the Football League Championship
In 2008/9 Reading started the season in the Football League Championship

2005/6 Reading win the Championship with a record points total
2006/7 Reading play in the Premier League
2007/8 Reading play in the Premier League

We could do this all day. Sadly I'm not a useless idle student and actually have work to do, being a productive member of society and having people who require my help to improve their quality of life.