Hard to see any progress for the forseeable future

[readingbedding]

Quite frankly, Schards is right, albeit 18 months a bit too slow to realise.

After 06/07 anyone that thinks progress was going to be made was seriously deluded. The club will go no where, maybe yo yo every few seasons. Great.

RFC's best days are behind them.

Best days?
What do you mean?

The day we beat Preston away to the day we beat Everton at home. Our "best days".

Still don't get it.

[mini _dariusz]

To put it in simple terms, the achievements RFC made during the 2005/2006 and 06/07 seasons won't be bettered. Therefore you are living in hope of seeibng something not as good as you have already witnessed.

Dead end club, like every other yo yo club.........

[readingbedding]

To put it in simple terms, the achievements RFC made during the 2005/2006 and 06/07 seasons won't be bettered. Therefore you are living in hope of seeibng something not as good as you have already witnessed.

Dead end club, like every other yo yo club.........

Living in hope of 'seeibng' something not as good as I have already witnessed?
Achievements made in last couple of years will never, ever be matched?
Dead end Club?

Yeah, and...what's your point?

[papereyes]

This topic is ridiculous.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

Don't be silly. It makes perfect sense. When we beat Palace two weeks ago we were certs for automatic promotion. It's only natural that when we lose an away game everything is disastrous and we have no future.

The only people stating that we were certs for automatic promotion 2 weekends ago are those that are going to defend this one.

Sometimes, these comments are just so wrong it is painful.

To put it in simple terms, the achievements RFC made during the 2005/2006 and 06/07 seasons won't be bettered. Therefore you are living in hope of seeibng something not as good as you have already witnessed.

Dead end club, like every other yo yo club.........

Although this is also quite puzzling, given the nature of a yoyo.

[Schards#2]

This topic is ridiculous.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

I think that says more about you than it does the topic.

[Schards#2]

This topic is ridiculous.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

Don't be silly. It makes perfect sense. When we beat Palace two weeks ago we were certs for automatic promotion. It's only natural that when we lose an away game everything is disastrous and we have no future.

Your comment is only valid if it's the same posters saying we are certs for promotion when we win and it's disasterous when we lose.

It isn't - with the possible exception of streets.

[readingbedding]

This topic is ridiculous.

Doesn't make any sense to me.

I think that says more about you than it does the topic.

Brilliant!

That's what I'm talking about.

Anything else that I don't know already?

[Rex]

What is the forseeable future.... the supporters or the clubs. Supporters want the win,win, win, week in, week out. Good to see but not a reality. What the club has achieved in the past is history and the team is naturally not the same it was in the 05/06 campaign. There are so many permetations for each club within the championship that losing as we have should not have come as a real surprise. The expectancy of a win makes us come back for more, the loss - no matter how frustrating still makes us come back for more. The season is way too young for the doom and gloom. A rather more reasoned stance would come around December. Even within the team, permetations such as partnerships, confidence and injuries will also be controlling factors. That goes without saying.

[rg6royal]

This season we will win most of our home games but away games we will really struggle. Away from home we just hoof the ball up field and don't look confident at all.

[papereyes]

What is the forseeable future.... the supporters or the clubs. Supporters want the win,win, win, week in, week out. Good to see but not a reality. What the club has achieved in the past is history and the team is naturally not the same it was in the 05/06 campaign. There are so many permetations for each club within the championship that losing as we have should not have come as a real surprise. The expectancy of a win makes us come back for more, the loss - no matter how frustrating still makes us come back for more. The season is way too young for the doom and gloom. A rather more reasoned stance would come around December. Even within the team, permetations such as partnerships, confidence and injuries will also be controlling factors. That goes without saying.

I put money that, if we are still average in December, you will get at least one poster suggesting that we should wait until March before any analysis could be made.

[Rex]

This season we will win most of our home games but away games we will really struggle. Away from home we just hoof the ball up field and don't look confident at all.

Still the repercussions of last seasons lack of confidence away. The team have to second guess far quicker that that midfield durge yesterday. If the team cannot cut out passes or run at pace into accurate passes from midfield them we will always be struggling.

[howser]

Lets not get blinkered over the reasons that we have failed to build on the progress that we had made over the previous few seasons, in our first Premiership season we achieved more than anyone could have ever dreamt. Throughout that whole campaign we were treated to the almost boring continual retorts from the manager that we were and had "overachieved" so what if we did ? wasn't that the time to take stock of what we had done and look to the future with increased investment in the team for the following season. But that is where, of course, the collapse of our previous achievemants started, blatently the owner considered that he had done what he set out to do and got the premiership place he promised, job done and to hell with the consequences. We are now seeing the ambition that he now has, many comments on these recent threads tell us that he wants to unload what is becoming a burden around his kneck, and his desires and wishes for the club this season seem to comfirm this.

We are at the moment safe in the championship, our home form will ensure that, but a return to the top league is not even on his radar, this lack of ambition and desire from the top must thread down to the players who must realise that they are just now pawns in the owners "selling off" plans. The January window will further confirm this when I fully expect to see more high fee transfers out and very little coming in.

The calls for the mangers head that are increasing daily while the expected response from disollusioned supporters are futile as no creditable manager would come to a club with such minimalisitic plans and ambitions for the next forthcoming seasons. We have to accept that under the present ownership that we are where we are going to stay.

[papereyes]

We are at the moment safe in the championship

Hmmm.

That sort of comment rests with "there are at least three teams worse than us".

The moment you start staking your survival on the play, or otherwise, of others, a real laziness is installed in the team, imo.

I think the club started to believe that they were safe last season as "there are at least three teams worse than us". They forgot that one of those teams was only worse than us because it had its two best players out injured. And what happened when they got fit?

[Rex]

We are at the moment safe in the championship

Hmmm.

That sort of comment rests with "there are at least three teams worse than us".

The moment you start staking your survival on the play, or otherwise, of others, a real laziness is installed in the team, imo.

I think the club started to believe that they were safe last season as "there are at least three teams worse than us". They forgot that one of those teams was only worse than us because it had its two best players out injured. And what happened when they got fit?

And that we broke Fulhams duck.

[papereyes]

Nah.

Getting Bullard back was probably the single biggest factor, imo.

[Chaney]

watching Stoke play today, they look good, strong in most departments and that lethal weapon of Delaps long throws, they should stay up on that performance, the difference between them and us is that have invested in their future, signed virtually a whole new team, how can we see any progress in our future when team like them with a very simular stature to us know what to do when you get promoted, we have probably been as high as I will ever see us go..unless of course that lying tight arse mr Mad leaves

[SCIAG]

We are at the moment safe in the championship

Hmmm.

That sort of comment rests with "there are at least three teams worse than us".

The moment you start staking your survival on the play, or otherwise, of others, a real laziness is installed in the team, imo.

I think the club started to believe that they were safe last season as "there are at least three teams worse than us". They forgot that one of those teams was only worse than us because it had its two best players out injured. And what happened when they got fit?

One could argue Fulham only became better than us on Bullard and McBride's return because Little was injured.

[Archie's penalty]

watching Stoke play today, they look good, strong in most departments and that lethal weapon of Delaps long throws, they should stay up on that performance, the difference between them and us is that have invested in their future, signed virtually a whole new team, how can we see any progress in our future when team like them with a very simular stature to us know what to do when you get promoted, we have probably been as high as I will ever see us go..unless of course that lying tight arse mr Mad leaves

Stoke looked strong but there's no guarantee they'll stay up at all.

It's all about the long ball. Like Watford in the year we came 8th...

[papereyes]

We are at the moment safe in the championship

Hmmm.

That sort of comment rests with "there are at least three teams worse than us".

The moment you start staking your survival on the play, or otherwise, of others, a real laziness is installed in the team, imo.

I think the club started to believe that they were safe last season as "there are at least three teams worse than us". They forgot that one of those teams was only worse than us because it had its two best players out injured. And what happened when they got fit?

One could argue Fulham only became better than us on Bullard and McBride's return because Little was injured.

Maybe, but Little was out all season and we decided not to strengthen that position (in fact, we went so far as to weaken it in August with the knowledge that Little was injured), so any argument on that basis is, imo, nullified by what the club's actions.

And even if you decided to argue it, knowing that you'd probably fail, it still falls into this "we don't have to act" mindset that surely has been shown to be severely flawed.

[Denver Royal]

What is the forseeable future.... the supporters or the clubs. Supporters want the win,win, win, week in, week out. Good to see but not a reality. What the club has achieved in the past is history and the team is naturally not the same it was in the 05/06 campaign. There are so many permetations for each club within the championship that losing as we have should not have come as a real surprise. The expectancy of a win makes us come back for more, the loss - no matter how frustrating still makes us come back for more. The season is way too young for the doom and gloom. A rather more reasoned stance would come around December. Even within the team, permetations such as partnerships, confidence and injuries will also be controlling factors. That goes without saying.

I put money that, if we are still average in December, you will get at least one poster suggesting that we should wait until March before any analysis could be made.

You won't be able to judge anything in January either. We'll sell a couple players in the window, and then it will be a case of 'We're now in a period of adjustment and we are in a re-building mode'.

It was the same last season. During that terrible run we went on, it was a case of 'Lets hold judgement and see where we finish at the end of the season'. And we went down. And even when that was final, you still had to watch what you say. We were going to bounce right back, you know. We were to be the class of the Championship and we'd pi$$ through it. Our players were way too good for that division. Oh, wait...