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Re: Simon Church

by PieEater » 01 Nov 2009 10:31

Tries hard but fails on the minimum requirement of a striker - to get bloody shots on target. If you don't test the keeper you may as well be a midfielder.

Maybe it will come over time, but we need goals now. Maybe Rasiak can take the pressure off him for a while until he finishes his shooting practice.

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Re: Simon Church

by Archie's penalty » 08 Nov 2009 14:29

'There's only one Simon Church! There's only one Simon Church! Walking along - singing a song - walking in a Churchy wonderland!'

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Re: Simon Church

by rg6royal » 08 Nov 2009 14:41

He got a goal yesterday, fair play to the lad.

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Re: Simon Church

by Ian Royal » 08 Nov 2009 15:31

Church has turned my opinion about him on its head.

I couldn't see that he'd ever havea good scoring record based on the couple of bits and pieces I'd seen of him and his previous out on loan. But he's looked really good recently again from the bits and pieces I've seen. All that's missing is the finishing touch and I'm sure that's just a matter of confidence and time.

He already looks much more likely to score than Doyle did after Xmas and we already know what a good player Doyle was. I think he'll definitely get 10 goals this season providing he continues to play regularly and I could now see him breaking 15 just about.

Big player for us next season, which ever division we're in IMO.

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Re: Simon Church

by WoodleyRoyal » 08 Nov 2009 15:33

do even better with a decent striker partnering him


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Re: Simon Church

by North Eaat royal » 08 Nov 2009 15:41

WoodleyRoyal do even better with a decent striker partnering him


spot on, put him with a half decent striker and he'll be banging them in for fun. He's got great movement, it's just atm rasiaks 50p head flick on's are hard to read. When he gets the ball he looks to hold it up and feed others in.

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Re: Simon Church

by Smoking Kills Dancing Doe » 08 Nov 2009 15:43

Ian Royal Church has turned my opinion about him on its head.

I couldn't see that he'd ever havea good scoring record based on the couple of bits and pieces I'd seen of him and his previous out on loan. But he's looked really good recently again from the bits and pieces I've seen. All that's missing is the finishing touch and I'm sure that's just a matter of confidence and time.

He already looks much more likely to score than Doyle did after Xmas and we already know what a good player Doyle was. I think he'll definitely get 10 goals this season providing he continues to play regularly and I could now see him breaking 15 just about.

Big player for us next season, which ever division we're in IMO.


Big plus 1.

Simon Church is the least of our worries. He's gonna be a good player imho....

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Re: Simon Church

by rhroyal » 08 Nov 2009 15:56

I do take the point that he should hit the target more. However FFC pointed out that often he misses the target because he makes a real effort to put it beyond the keeper's reach, and he never seems to miss by much. Tbh crashing one off the underside of the bar is more unlucky than anything else.

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Re: Simon Church

by Royalee » 08 Nov 2009 16:01

Rasiak's more effective than Church at the moment - strikers have to be able to shoot. That said, I like Church's movement and intelligence - perhaps if he spent some time working on his woeful finishing we might have a good player. In the mean time we need to bring in a striker urgently.


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Re: Simon Church

by facaldaqui » 08 Nov 2009 16:05

I'm tempted to agree with rhroyal because Church's shots do look technically excellent and are coming so close. On the other hand, his care to put shots precisely beyond the keeper may actually be part of the problem. He might be better just concentrating on getting the shots on target for the moment: goakeepers don't catch everything in the rectangle.

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Re: Simon Church

by Terminal Boardom » 08 Nov 2009 16:27

facaldaqui said

I'm tempted to agree with rhroyal because Church's shots do look technically excellent and are coming so close. On the other hand, his care to put shots precisely beyond the keeper may actually be part of the problem. He might be better just concentrating on getting the shots on target for the moment: goakeepers don't catch everything in the rectangle.


He needs to be more instinctive. This will come with experience. ATM, he is not 100% in knowing where the goal is.

Royalee said

In the mean time we need to bring in a striker urgently.


Just ain't gonna happen matey! SJM will say that we have Bignall and Rooney in reserve and that we should use them instead. And considering BR's previous, he is hardly going to turn aroud and say that they aren't good enough is he!

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Re: Simon Church

by 66DD » 08 Nov 2009 17:12

rg6royal He got a goal yesterday, fair play to the lad.


He was trying to step over the ball as he thought that he was offside and couldn't react quickly enough (fortunately). :wink:

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Re: Simon Church

by Archie's penalty » 08 Nov 2009 17:20

facaldaqui I'm tempted to agree with rhroyal because Church's shots do look technically excellent and are coming so close. On the other hand, his care to put shots precisely beyond the keeper may actually be part of the problem. He might be better just concentrating on getting the shots on target for the moment: goakeepers don't catch everything in the rectangle.


Did exactly that at Preston and that shot he hit instinctively against Leicester. He will come good.


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Re: Simon Church

by Ian Royal » 08 Nov 2009 17:51

Royalee Rasiak's more effective than Church at the moment - strikers have to be able to shoot. That said, I like Church's movement and intelligence - perhaps if he spent some time working on his woeful finishing we might have a good player. In the mean time we need to bring in a striker urgently.


It's not woeful at all. Woeful is spooning it 20 feet over or endangering the corner flag. Church knows exactly what he's doing and where he's trying to put it, he's either not hitting it quite sweet enough or he's 6 - 12" out.

He's only really been consistently getting decent chances for three games and he's young and inexperienced. He'll start burying them soon as long as he can keep getting chances.

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Re: Simon Church

by Ian Royal » 08 Nov 2009 17:53

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rg6royal He got a goal yesterday, fair play to the lad.


He was trying to step over the ball as he thought that he was offside and couldn't react quickly enough (fortunately). :wink:



That's the biggest load of rot I've read in ages. He was shifting his weight so he could tap the ball in and as he was doing it, it came on him a bit quicker than he could react and went in. He knew exactly what was going on, the ball just came on him a bit quicker than he could react, to make it an obvious goal.

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Re: Simon Church

by WoodleyRoyal » 08 Nov 2009 18:57

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rg6royal He got a goal yesterday, fair play to the lad.


He was trying to step over the ball as he thought that he was offside and couldn't react quickly enough (fortunately). :wink:


In church we have a striker that has the potential to be a true homegrown great for the club, with people like you in the stands these players are being set up to fail, before they've barley kicked a ball.

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Re: Simon Church

by londinium » 08 Nov 2009 19:36

I like the guy... shame he can't hit the target more often as we could have had a few more points in the bag from the Ipswich and Leicester games.

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Re: Simon Church

by Wycombe Royal » 08 Nov 2009 20:42

rhroyal Tbh crashing one off the underside of the bar is more unlucky than anything else.

If you are talking about the effort yesterday then I'm pretty sure the keeper got a touch to it and pushed it on to the bar.

His game has pretty much everything apart from the vital component of converting more of his chances. His ball control his good, he holds the ball up well, brings other players in to the game, has a good turn of pace, pretty good in the air and doesn't mind running the channels.

If you want a comparison then look no further than Kevin Doyle and he has the potential to be as good in my opinion......

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Re: Simon Church

by PEARCEY » 08 Nov 2009 20:46

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rhroyal Tbh crashing one off the underside of the bar is more unlucky than anything else.

If you are talking about the effort yesterday then I'm pretty sure the keeper got a touch to it and pushed it on to the bar.

His game has pretty much everything apart from the vital component of converting more of his chances. His ball control his good, he holds the ball up well, brings other players in to the game, has a good turn of pace, pretty good in the air and doesn't mind running the channels.

If you want a comparison then look no further than Kevin Doyle and he has the potential to be as good in my opinion......



I agree with this. If he improves his finishing (and he needs to) we will have a good young striker with a really good attitude. Hope he makes the grade.

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Re: Simon Church

by Ian Royal » 08 Nov 2009 21:27

First few games I saw Doyle he struggled to put away his chances. Came pretty good that season.

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