Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Maguire » 09 Feb 2010 23:26

Who gave Kebe a 5? He did well when he came on.

Must say that Griffin has impressed me a lot with attitude and performance. Proper pro.

Two pretty poor sides really but HRK was away at the end and although he didn't hesitate to go down I think it was a fair shout for a pen.

Need a decent striker really - would make a big difference.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by URZZZZZZZZ » 09 Feb 2010 23:27

Chuffed that we're now showing some bottle!

In 2009 there were times when we weren't winning and have missed chances we really shoud have put away. Normally you'd expect those to be the final chances but we're now showing the character to make another one and put it away!

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by andrew1957 » 09 Feb 2010 23:28

It was always going to be a tight game as it was "must win" for Plymouth. So the fact that we kept going for 95 minutes and got the win is huge credit to Brian and the lads. Plymouth are now virtually doomed I would have thought - so a very good night for us.

Fed - 7 - starting to look ever more like a really number 1 - a couple of very good saves again
Bertrand -8 excellent tonight I thought
Ingi - 6 - some iffy moments but generally sound
Khiz- 7 - looked very classy at times but I prefer Mills no nonsense approach
Griffin 8 - also excellent - may just get MOTM for me
McAnuff - 6 - again struggled to find space with two men on him a lot - got more freedom when Kebe came on
Gunnar - 7 - very good again
Karacan - 6 - I think people underestimate his importance - but he was careless with possession tonight
Howard - 5 - not a left sided midfielder
Church - 5 - good movement but how many chances does this boy need to score a goal
Long - 8 excellent again - good comeback Shane

Kebe 5 - some good moments but seemed afraid to play half the time
RK - 7 - thought he did well generally and a great run for the penalty - which looked nailed on to me.

Ref 3 - another poor ref. Did give the penalty but they got away with far too much and he gave them some very soft decisions
Number 13 - did not turn up until near the end.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by SHORT AND CURLY » 09 Feb 2010 23:32

Kishnawatsisnamevilli was superb in the 1st half. Very composed and efficient.
Difficult to see what he was like in the 2nd half as I sit in the North stand but from what I saw, he looks an excellent signing.
Long took his first goal really well and once again was a shining light. Church looked a little bit out of his depth.
Boris controlled the midfield but the rest drifted in and out of the game.
The rest of the defence played well enough.

A game that we never really looked like losing as Plymouth were dreadful and probably one of the worst teams I have seen since Burton.(How the fcuk did we lose to that lot last month and let them back in the game tonight.) Having said that they packed out the midfield and strangled the game. I thought they were playing for a draw from he first minute, time wasting etc.
The penalty was justice and no more than we deserved.

The ref and linesman on the East Stand side were awful. They must be choking on their Bovril tonight because they obviously had a wager on a PLOLymoth win or draw.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Whore Jackie » 09 Feb 2010 23:32

Maguire Who gave Kebe a 5? He did well when he came on.

Must say that Griffin has impressed me a lot with attitude and performance. Proper pro.

Two pretty poor sides really but HRK was away at the end and although he didn't hesitate to go down I think it was a fair shout for a pen.

Need a decent striker really - would make a big difference.


Would like to see the pen again, but otherwise totally agree. Church really is a conundrum. Does so much right, but he's just not a natural finisher. You wouldn't put a penny, let alone a house, on him finishing the opening that led to Long's first goal.


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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by andrew1957 » 09 Feb 2010 23:34

Crowthorne Royal Floyd has summed it up I'm afraid. We didn't do anything to deserve that win. Shane Long however looked dangerous all night, Well Done Shane keep it up.

The rest of the team looked like they thought we would always win. At 1-0 we were 'taking our time' over everything. So obvious that a sting in the tail was coming. Plymough would not have scored on their own merits they were that poor. Our clumsy defending and not clearing the danger resulted in their inevitable goal.

I can't even feel elated that we got the 3 points after that performance.

I will await the RTG boo boys slagging but let's be frank we are a poor side who are still looking very nervy and have very little quality especially where it really matters in front of goal and in defence.


In the context of what an important game it was they did well tonight. I cannot believe how negative both you and Floyd are being. It seems some STG's cannot even be positive when we win.

Yes we are not the finished article yet but I honestly believe performances will improve as confidence grows.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Armadillo Roadkill » 09 Feb 2010 23:34

Interestingly, when asked about Long's renaissance on BBCRB, McD said "he knows where he is with me" and "we have to simplify things" for him. Sounds like the clearest condemnation of Big Watch Man and his Bumper Book of World Class Outstanding Tactics yet from inside the camp.

Nothing better than a last minute winner in my book for excitement.

Either Plymouth aren't that bad or we can't break down a half-way decent defence. We made hard work of it.

Zurab and Griffin have made all the difference, but having said that, something went badly wrong at the back for the Argyl goal - didn't see clearly who was at fault, but someone surely should have cleared it.

Howard was effective in the first half but faded, Karacan has a touch of the Andy Hughes about him at times - bags of energy but some very questionable decision making and distribution. McAnuff was again kept quiet by Argyl doubling up on him.

Federici made some vital saves, and has earnt a bit of love in a post Marcus world.

Referee was comical at times, not helped by a very poor assistant with the yellow flag.

McD was man of the match - made the right changes, has brought in the right players (Griff, Zurab), transformed others (Long, Bryn).

On the pitch, Griffin.

Goodnight.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Dirk Gently » 09 Feb 2010 23:36

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Maguire Who gave Kebe a 5? He did well when he came on.

Must say that Griffin has impressed me a lot with attitude and performance. Proper pro.

Two pretty poor sides really but HRK was away at the end and although he didn't hesitate to go down I think it was a fair shout for a pen.

Need a decent striker really - would make a big difference.


Would like to see the pen again, but otherwise totally agree. Church really is a conundrum. Does so much right, but he's just not a natural finisher. You wouldn't put a penny, let alone a house, on him finishing the opening that led to Long's first goal.


But that's because he's still trying too hard to do well - playing for Wales U-21's he proved he can do it.

But like Long (who a month ago you wouldn't have put a penny on scoring that either) once things start going well then the worries drop away and the confidence grows, and things just get better and better.

Church needs that little bit of luck and it could all come good.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Maguire » 09 Feb 2010 23:45

Church needs a goal.

Cliched beyond belief but I really think it's true. WJ is right in that you wouldn't back him to score anything at the moment let alone the one Long bagged.


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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by 1871royals » 09 Feb 2010 23:46

Very Very happy. Must admit I have done a complete 180 on Long and thought he was quality today.

Even before he scored I thought he held the ball up well, won it in the air and then he also took his goals well.
Thought we lost a grip of the game when Jem went off, at the moment I think we need Jem and Bryn to form a solid base in front of the defence.

Griffin was good again and impressed by Zurab, I hope we sign them permanently.

The only downside I thought was Ryan Bertrand. First day of the season was impressed with him but I think he’s got worse.

I sit in the East so difficult to judge his 2nd half performance but I thought he was terrible going forward in the first half. Hes a quick player but seems to dribble the ball incredibly slowly, he really struggles to beat a player, he always takes a touch and slows the tempo down.

Today he had so many opportunities to affect the game offensively and I don’t think he capitalised on them. For the goal he let his man have way too much space.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Y21 » 09 Feb 2010 23:49

Players tonight who were good...

Fed, Griffin, Ingi, Zurab, Ryan, Bryn, Howard (just about), Kebe, Long.

Those who have to do better on tonights showing....

Jobby (looked like he couldn't be arsed for most of the second half)
Karacan (off the boil, be surprised if he could pass water tonight)
Church (back to the reserves - give Thor a go)
HRK (welll, he did win a pen, but other than that, did pretty much feck all apart from block a shot from one of ours with his arse)

With any luck and a following wind, we might just get out of this. Desperately need a goal scoring striker to take some of the pressure off Shaun Bong....but Maccy D >>>>>>>>> big watch twat face.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Whore Jackie » 09 Feb 2010 23:50

Dirk Gently But that's because he's still trying too hard to do well - playing for Wales U-21's he proved he can do it.

But like Long (who a month ago you wouldn't have put a penny on scoring that either) once things start going well then the worries drop away and the confidence grows, and things just get better and better.

Church needs that little bit of luck and it could all come good.


Hope you're right DG. Think his game has come on leaps and bounds this season, he does an awful lot of what you hope a forward will do.

At the moment though, he can't finish for toffee. Didn't feel remotely confident that he'd snaffle either of his chances tonight. I remain to be convinced of any natural lethal finishing ability. Brian obviously rates him (and Long), let's hope some luck comes his way.
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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by BenReadingFC » 09 Feb 2010 23:50

I'm so glad we managed to get the 3 points tonight, a draw would have really hurt us with the next few games coming up. Not playing in the league this Saturday would mean that others around us could get points on the board and push us further into the shit. Confidence is growing, let it continue.


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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Kurtz » 09 Feb 2010 23:53

Karacan wasn't great tonight but when he went off there was a huge area of green space in the middle of the pitch which seemed out of bounds to anyone in hoops. Plymouth had their best spell after he went off.

Decent performance by the loanees at the back.
Jobi - anonymous.
Church - runs around a lot. It's a useful skill but scoring goals is an even better one.
Long - scores important goals from time to time but should not be our first choice striker.

Passing the ball along the ground might be an idea for the training ground this week.
Performance was OK for a team for whom a mid table finish will be a great success.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by rob the royal » 09 Feb 2010 23:59

URZZZZZZZZ Chuffed that we're now showing some bottle!


Yeah, we didn't play fantastic stuff, but at the end of the day, when all's said and done and we've all analysed every poor kick or run or touch... we got the three points... AGAIN.

Let's get the Sig back in and up it a bit more and see what we can get out of the next few games... I'm sure Brian McD won't let them rest on their laurels and will know that we haven't been playing like Brazil. With this little run under their belts hopefully the team's performances can only get better.

Bertrand was quite isolated when attacking as Howard was often disappearing into the middle, so I think it was easier for Plymouth to shut him down... I thought he did pretty well under the circumstances.

Thought Robson-Kanu did pretty well as well. Had a run at them a couple of times.

Other than that i agree with most of the comments so far.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Royal With Cheese » 10 Feb 2010 00:20

Fcuk me, some people have lost all sort of perspective on here.

3 wins on the bounce but we're stuck in 106 point pergatory as far as I can see - and we ain't ever going to get out of that.

Honest assesments that we're not very good? No shit. Us and at least 11 other Championship teams from what I can see.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Royal With Cheese » 10 Feb 2010 00:22

Maguire Church needs a goal.

Cliched beyond belief but I really think it's true. WJ is right in that you wouldn't back him to score anything at the moment let alone the one Long bagged.

He has as much confidence in front of goal as Longy did until a few weeks ago. I'd like to think he'll come good.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by bcubed » 10 Feb 2010 00:33

Two poor teams but grateful for the three points

Long took his goal well but up till then hardly won a ball in the air, in complete contrast with the Doncaster game when he won everything

Tactics were all wrong today - whoever thought Brian Howard as left midfield was a good idea?!
Griffin and Zurab stood out for me
Kebe looked most likely player to take on and beat a man when he came on

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Ozymandias » 10 Feb 2010 00:35

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Maguire Church needs a goal.

Cliched beyond belief but I really think it's true. WJ is right in that you wouldn't back him to score anything at the moment let alone the one Long bagged.

He has as much confidence in front of goal as Longy did until a few weeks ago. I'd like to think he'll come good.



I'll agree with that, Church was poor tonight, but that's inexperience. Long played well, as did Bryn, Kebe is rubbish and gives absolutely nothing to the team, I'm staggered people on here think he does anything - you're either listening on the radio or have no idea about football and look to some computer game for his ratings. Howard, and I'm not a huge fan, had a good game, Jem mis-placed a few passes and probably needed to come off - just not his night, but we changed after he came off. The Kinchelov (sp?) fellow and Griff are both class pro's and it shows. Bertie had a good game, energetic and covered a lot of ground

A great result, a flashes of good play, but we need to play better and slot away the chances.

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Re: Back from the game - Plymouth (H)

by Alan Partridge » 10 Feb 2010 00:46

Atrocious standard of football pretty much throughout, agree with floyd Reading's attacking options still leave a lot to be desired, and the decision to leave Thorvaldsson on the bench was peculiar at the time but I suppose it paid of by HRK winning the penalty.

I thought a draw was fair between two poor teams but it's a massive win. I think even now it relegates Plymouth and it gives Reading renewed hope they can beat the drop. It's tight now and there are teams like QPR (ALOL) who are now very much involved with the original candid8s for the drop. Gunnarsson and Zurab were outstanding for Reading, Long took his goals very well, the rest of the back four barring a couple of self inflicted scares seemed to cope with their minimal threat well. I thought other than Gunnarsson all of the other midfielders were off the boil tonight, but it's the forwards. Reading can't seem to get 2 on form at the same time. Church was improving early season, Long looked hopeless and now it's roles reversed.

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