QPR - Back from watching on TV

[Snowball]

Went to the game but I just watched the first half on TV.

Simon Church was truly awful. He did not win a ball for 40 minutes

His first completed pass (one in the half) was in the 40-something-th minute a few seconds before his shot, well hit but straight at the keeper.

He managed a glancing header to nowhere shortly after and the ball was at his feet two yards out and he hit a player with it.

That was it. He looked very easy to defend against. ATM he is not a patch on Hunt and Long is light years ahead of him.

Very harsh
He doesn't link up well with Long but I still think his runs are better than Long's (have you ever seen Shane attack the near post? Derby at home in 2006 aside) - he is terribly short of confidence though

I wasn't trying to be harsh. I was being FACTUAL.

Seriously watch the first half and just follow Churchy, nothing else.

He is lost in the wilderness, totally. (ATM)

[Ian Royal]

Forgot to say, who was the presenter and studio guests for the game on Friday?

Mackie and some guy I didn't recognise... but one's better than none.

[Hoop Blah]

Forgot to say, who was the presenter and studio guests for the game on Friday?

Mackie and some guy I didn't recognise... but one's better than none.

Peter Beagrie was the other guest and Simon Thomas the presenter.

[sandman]

Mills has been at fault for more goals than Harte. He has put in decent performances, but his pace can be a weakness - he is one of the weaker links in the defence.

Given Armstrong isn't a great deal quicker he isn't exactly an instant solution to the problem. Cummings & Williams are quicker, but one is a right back and the other one wasn't good enough early on.

Harte isn't bad enough to warrant instant dropping when we don't have anyone to put in who would obviously do better than him. I'd be inclined to prefer Armstrong - provided he is the same player as a couple of years ago, which he may well not be.

How do you know he's been at fault for more goals than Harte? From what I understand you hardly go to the games. Mills has decent pace and is faster than Griff, Harte, Ingi, Pearce and Zurab yet he is the only one who's is constantly picked on for being "slow". He's doing perfectly fine and is improving game by game.

[Wimb]

Good lord, this isn't 1982 just because someone doesn't go to games doesn't mean they can't watch you know... highlights, or even the full 90 minutes via the website most of the time, seems like a fairly cowardly way to beat at Ian if I'm honest Sandman.

[Ian Royal]

Because whilst I haven't made it to many games this season I have watched 15 matches in their entirety and most of a 16th (so about half). And I've seen the highlighs (all goals) of virtually every game (I'm 3 or 4 behind) and I'm sad enough to have made a spreadsheet and noted down on it whenever a player could be argued to be at fault for or in the run up to a goal for the opposition.


I'm used to it Wimb - generally the last resort of those incapable of making a coherant argument.

[Man Friday]

Harte - 6 out paced by a mile for their goal

How can this be? When some of us voiced our concern that he perhaps did not have much pace, we were slated, and called numerous different not so nice things by a couple of posters on here.
Those other posters assured us that he was indeed as quick as lightning, and even if he was not, he was such a brilliant player that his positioning would more than make up for any remote chance that he lacked pace.
Yet it seems his utter lack of pace has cost us on more than one occasion. I struggle to comprehend how this can be, since so many on here assured us he was as fast as Usain Bolt, and not at all old and off the pace.

???????????? It was Mills that was outpaced for the goal, not Harte.

[Woodcote Royal]

You do NOT go 26 games conceding just 24 goals with a passenger at left-back. You simply DON'T

Why not? All those 24 goals could have been the left backs fault!!!

Quite obviously that was not the case but it is as clear as night following day that Harte is an utter liability at left back whose lack of pace has been the route cause of far too many of those goals.

Just as other teams are catching onto the fact that if you stop Kebe you're half way to stopping us scoring it's been obvious for months that our left side is the place to attack and this has already been exploited ruthlessly by many teams.

And, It's not just his individual errors it's the effect on those around him who have to adapt their game to compensate for his shortcomings.

Frankly, and this assumes Stretch is deemed not fit for 90 minutes, I hope the club spends next week assessing the respective left foot skills of Griffin and Cummings before deciding who takes over at left back because, right now, I see Harte as the biggest obstacle standing between us and a place in the playoffs.................................one that has arguably cost us 5pts in the last week alone.

[SLAMMED]

Harte - 6 out paced by a mile for their goal

How can this be? When some of us voiced our concern that he perhaps did not have much pace, we were slated, and called numerous different not so nice things by a couple of posters on here.
Those other posters assured us that he was indeed as quick as lightning, and even if he was not, he was such a brilliant player that his positioning would more than make up for any remote chance that he lacked pace.
Yet it seems his utter lack of pace has cost us on more than one occasion. I struggle to comprehend how this can be, since so many on here assured us he was as fast as Usain Bolt, and not at all old and off the pace.

???????????? It was Mills that was outpaced for the goal, not Harte.

Harte is the player circled in red...

Image below:

[bcubed]

You do NOT go 26 games conceding just 24 goals with a passenger at left-back. You simply DON'T

Why not? All those 24 goals could have been the left backs fault!!!

Quite obviously that was not the case but it is as clear as night following day that Harte is an utter liability at left back whose lack of pace has been the route cause of far too many of those goals.

Just as other teams are catching onto the fact that if you stop Kebe you're half way to stopping us scoring it's been obvious for months that our left side is the place to attack and this has already been exploited ruthlessly by many teams.

And, It's not just his individual errors it's the effect on those around him who have to adapt their game to compensate for his shortcomings.

Frankly, and this assumes Stretch is deemed not fit for 90 minutes, I hope the club spends next week assessing the respective left foot skills of Griffin and Cummings before deciding who takes over at left back because, right now, I see Harte as the biggest obstacle standing between us and a place in the playoffs.................................one that has arguably cost us 5pts in the last week alone.

Another good post WR
Cummings for Griffin and move Griffin to left back works for me
Harte is not adding enough from free kicks and crosses to warrant a place and Cummings would supplement our attacks with some much needed pace (and based on last few games not a little skill and passing ability)

[Snowball]

What's interesting is he totally disregards the fact that in this specific occasion, as the pictures clearly show, Harte's embarressingly acute lack of pace caused us to lose the match.

THE PICTURES don't show much. They are crude.

Do the pictures show whoever it was lost possession to QPR?
Do the pictures show the midfielders failing to close down the QPR midfield and allowing the pass?
Do the pictures show Ingi and Mills not moving up together as a unit?
Dpo the pictures show no defender cutting out the actual pass?
Do the pictures show Federici's "soft-hands" and failure to save?

Of course not. Nobbers like to simplify and lay all the blame on to that week's scapegoat.





He just cites results from earlier in the season, and hold them up as proof that Harte is brilliant.


No, I cite some statistcs that put the onus on Harte's detractors to EXPLAIN
how come we have such a good defensive record if Harte is such a liability


It's a team sport. There are 11 players in the team.

So why the oxf*rd do you keep bringing it down to a single individual?


And LOL@ the demanding us to sign £20M Cole, wtf is that all about?

If you don't understand what I wrote, you are beyond help. I suppose you actually think I mean, "We need to sign a £20 Million full-back.





The pictures and video of the incident also show another thing that is more frightening, although Mills seems to instantly realize Routledge is on a run, Harte seems oblivious to that fact for several seconds.

Oh, I see. A man who played at the top-level for a decade or more, played in the semi-finals of the Champions League,
played for his country God knows how many times is now being accused of not having a football brain? Do me a favour


Which part of that is Harte able to do? None. He can't tackle either.

In other words you are saying McDermott is a toal idiot who knows nothing about football
but YOU do.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Armstrong v Bristol City - Armstrong dealt very well with the quick City wingers, 4-1 win.

Every winger Harte comes up against he struggles. No stats can prove against it.

[paultheroyal]

Forgot to say, who was the presenter and studio guests for the game on Friday?

Mackie and some guy I didn't recognise... but one's better than none.

Peter Beagrie was the other guest and Simon Thomas the presenter.

Cheers all

[Kitson12]

Oh, I see. A man who played at the top-level for a decade or more, played in the semi-finals of the Champions League,
played for his country God knows how many times is now being accused of not having a football brain? Do me a favour

PLAYED, he doesn't anymore, and he's clearly not good enough, otherwise why would he have been playing at Carlisle United?
On this one Snowball you seem to be the only one who doesn't see it. Harte was MARKING Routlegde, therefore he is responsible, not Mills, not Ivar, Harte. End of story.
Harte was outpaced, and is a liability, bring in Armstrong.

[floyd__streete]

For a club which prides itself on bringing cheap, low risk young players through, the signing of Harte - and tbf, Griffin, although his performance level and dependency is of a much higher standard than Harte's - always seems rather short termist. With the likes of Pearce, Karacan (for all his shortcomings), McAnuff, Long, Church (yes, Church) we have the spine of a decent team for a few seasons to come at this level. Harte (and, again tbf, Griffin) doesn't really seem part of that long term plan to me and if he never played for us again from this moment on he'd be no loss whatsoever.

[Snowball]

Oh, I see. A man who played at the top-level for a decade or more, played in the semi-finals of the Champions League,
played for his country God knows how many times is now being accused of not having a football brain? Do me a favour

PLAYED, he doesn't anymore, and he's clearly not good enough, otherwise why would he have been playing at Carlisle United?
On this one Snowball you seem to be the only one who doesn't see it. Harte was MARKING Routlegde, therefore he is responsible, not Mills, not Ivar, Harte. End of story.
Harte was outpaced, and is a liability, bring in Armstrong.

Say we agree on this.

WHY DOESN'T McDERMOTT DO IT?

You think you or I know more about football?

[Snowball]

For a club which prides itself on bringing cheap, low risk young players through, the signing of Harte - and tbf, Griffin, although his performance level and dependency is of a much higher standard than Harte's - always seems rather short termist. With the likes of Pearce, Karacan (for all his shortcomings), McAnuff, Long, Church (yes, Church) we have the spine of a decent team for a few seasons to come at this level. Harte (and, again tbf, Griffin) doesn't really seem part of that long term plan to me and if he never played for us again from this moment on he'd be no loss whatsoever.

Cast your mind back to when these players were brought in.

They were brought in to stabilize the defence for "now" and their experience no doubt filters down.
How many other championship clubs have BOTH fullbacks have played in the Champions League?

[Kitson12]

Oh, I see. A man who played at the top-level for a decade or more, played in the semi-finals of the Champions League,
played for his country God knows how many times is now being accused of not having a football brain? Do me a favour

PLAYED, he doesn't anymore, and he's clearly not good enough, otherwise why would he have been playing at Carlisle United?
On this one Snowball you seem to be the only one who doesn't see it. Harte was MARKING Routlegde, therefore he is responsible, not Mills, not Ivar, Harte. End of story.
Harte was outpaced, and is a liability, bring in Armstrong.

Say we agree on this.

WHY DOESN'T McDERMOTT DO IT?

You think you or I know more about football?

I didn't realise this was a competition? I have my opinions, you have yours, sometimes I'm not right, sometimes I am, sometimes you're right and sometimes you're not, you need to accept when you're not and not go lauding it up when you are.

[Snowball]

Armstrong v Bristol City - Armstrong dealt very well with the quick City wingers, 4-1 win.

Every winger Harte comes up against he struggles. No stats can prove against it.

If my memory serves me right Armstrong was run ragged for at least the first half hour.

[Snowball]

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Say we agree on this.

WHY DOESN'T McDERMOTT DO IT?

You think you or I know more about football?

I didn't realise this was a competition? I have my opinions, you have yours, sometimes I'm not right, sometimes I am, sometimes you're right and sometimes you're not, you need to accept when you're not and not go lauding it up when you are.[/quote]


Sorry I meant "You think you or I know more about football than McDermott?"