BFTG - Ipswich

[Elm Park Kid]

A lot of praise for Guthrie on this thread which I can understand.

He he was in the game, working hard in midfield for the team, scored a great goal, yet his passing and distribution at times was very poor as he continually tried to hit the 30 yard cross field glory ball which was cut out by the Ipswich defence instead of laying off a simple pass.

I disagree. You can play simple passes all game and not achieve anything. Whereas if even 1 out of 5 speculative passes comes off you end up with a goal scoring opportunity.

Watching the game on Saturday it seemed to me that Guthrie constantly showed himself to be a quality player. Ever time McCarthy got the ball he ran back asking for the ball at his feet and was then attack minded in his distribution. Contrast that to Karacan who never looked comfortable receiving the ball and quickly got rid of it when he did. It takes no real skill to do sideways passing, every amateur football in the country could do the same. What does take skill is making the space to play dangerous balls, even if they don't always come off.

[Royal Lady]

Because some people are blinkered and won't give credit where it's due cos a player once reacted badly to not being included in the team - allegedly. McD handled him appallingly, tho I say so myself. He gave 100% yesterday and he impressed me when he was given chances last season.

Forgot how you were at the training ground every day.

Where in that quote of mine does it even HINT that I go to the training ground? He impressed me on Saturday and I had already been impressed with him, what little I'd seen him play, when he was given chances last season. Hth.

[West Stand Man]

Because some people are blinkered and won't give credit where it's due cos a player once reacted badly to not being included in the team - allegedly. McD handled him appallingly, tho I say so myself. He gave 100% yesterday and he impressed me when he was given chances last season.

Forgot how you were at the training ground every day.

Where in that quote of mine does it even HINT that I go to the training ground? He impressed me on Saturday and I had already been impressed with him, what little I'd seen him play, when he was given chances last season. Hth.

It isn't worth the effort. As you said earlier there are some really idiotic people on here, who seem to think the footballers have a different value set (or should have) when at work.

Guthrie is, quite clearly, a very able player. He probably had a fall out with he last manager. The inability to manage that fall out is a leadership failure. We are now beginning to see the real ability Guthrie brings to this squad and, once the defence gets used to passing him the ball when he comes deep to fetch it we will really see his worth.

[sandman]

And thus Guthrie is given yet another excuse. You don't stand up in front of the entire squad and apologise to them for your behaviour if you've done nothing wrong.

One rule for Guthrie another for the likes of Federici, McAnuff, Leigertwood and Pearce.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Bit odd. Guthrie plays well and you are still cross with him?

Dunno, but folk interested in football are usually pleased to see players in their team doing well.

[Cureton's Volley]

Guthrie could well become our main man at the heart of each build up which is great... I'd love him to be POTS. But it is difficult to understand what Pog & McAnuff have done wrong to warrant the abuse & negativity they get, yet Guthrie is the new Pope

[melonhead]

Watching the game on Saturday it seemed to me that Guthrie constantly showed himself to be a quality player

constantly in the 2nd half. rarely in the 1st.
so not constantly throughout the game.

Guthrie is, quite clearly, a very able player. He probably had a fall out with he last manager. The inability to manage that fall out is a leadership failure. We are now beginning to see the real ability Guthrie brings to this squad and, once the defence gets used to passing him the ball when he comes deep to fetch it we will really see his worth.

good player. agreed.
and agree brian, must take his share of blame for the fall out.
but to absolve guthrie completely and put it all down to brian is LOLable.



if i have a manager who manages me in a way i dont enjoy, makes decisions i disagree with etc
then it is down to me to make him aware of this, and make sure i prove to him that my way is better than his.
if he's unreasonable or out of order, and refuses to listen id possibly take it higher/to HR but most likely id start looking for work elsewhere.

the point where i just flat refused to work for him, or do what he asks, & walk out of work in a big huff would be the day i lose the argument, and would be rightly disciplined, possibly sacked.


he will have to do slightly more to prove to me that hes worth it, simply for the reasons that hes a better player than most in the league, and many on our squad. i dont want him to look AS good as the other midfielders etc, i want him to look better.
he walked out on the club, and refused to play in a vitally important game. thats going to take some making up for imo, and thats how it should be. im sure he'll achieve this quite quickly if he keeps playing like he did in the 2nd half

[CrispyRoyal]

Yeah, but Guthrie apologised to Brian and the fans, what's the problem now? It's done, in the past, what he once did no longer matters. What does matter, is he showed his desire and commitment to the club yesterday with a great performance and a good goal. Funny how when Guthrie was rubbish so was the team, and when Guthrie got his act together and started to grow into the game, eventually coming out as the key man on the pitch, the whole team improved and seemed to play around him. It was like Guthrie was at the heart of everything, it was really clear to see, and shows he will be vital this year.

To still critisize him for something that happened under different managers in a different season and about 8 months ago is ridiculous. He is part of the team now, he apologised for what he did, what does it matter anymore? People need to let that go. As for Pog, the reason he gets booed is because of the hype there was around him and the fact he really doesn't look like he gives anything for the team at the moment, he showed the opposite of what Guthrie showed, Guthrie was committed, Pog looked like he was already halfway to Russia.

[melonhead]

Yeah, but Guthrie apologised to Brian and the fans, what's the problem now? It's done, in the past, what he once did no longer matters. What does matter, is he showed his desire and commitment to the club yesterday with a great performance and a good goal. Funny how when Guthrie was rubbish so was the team, and when Guthrie got his act together and started to grow into the game, eventually coming out as the key man on the pitch, the whole team improved and seemed to play around him. It was like Guthrie was at the heart of everything, it was really clear to see, and shows he will be vital this year.

To still critisize him for something that happened under different managers in a different season and about 8 months ago is ridiculous. He is part of the team now, he apologised for what he did, what does it matter anymore? People need to let that go..

LOL.
apology accepted for sure danny,
i was happy to move on as soon as brian said he had.
but if he wants my love and trust and respect he still has some way to go.


if your missus shagged your brother, but then apologised. would it all be ok?
how long would you think it would take for it all to become ok?
sometimes an apology on its own, means next to nothing


id imagine a couple of whole games where he looks like he did 2nd half, and he'll be fully forgiven.
that'd be like your missus apologising for shagging your brother, and her allowing you anal/3somes for a few weeks to make up for it.
youd start to come round

[Alexander Litvinenko]

And thus Guthrie is given yet another excuse. You don't stand up in front of the entire squad and apologise to them for your behaviour if you've done nothing wrong.

You need to check the meaning of the word apologise, m8. It's saying sorry and asking for forgiveness.

If the squad can accept an apology and give forgiveness, why don't you seem to be able to? Or is it "One strike and you're out" on Planet Sandman?

[Cureton's Volley]

Yeah, but Guthrie apologised to Brian and the fans, what's the problem now? It's done, in the past, what he once did no longer matters. What does matter, is he showed his desire and commitment to the club yesterday with a great performance and a good goal. Funny how when Guthrie was rubbish so was the team, and when Guthrie got his act together and started to grow into the game, eventually coming out as the key man on the pitch, the whole team improved and seemed to play around him. It was like Guthrie was at the heart of everything, it was really clear to see, and shows he will be vital this year.

To still critisize him for something that happened under different managers in a different season and about 8 months ago is ridiculous. He is part of the team now, he apologised for what he did, what does it matter anymore? People need to let that go..

LOL.
apology accepted for sure danny,
i was happy to move on as soon as brian said he had.
but if he wants my love and trust and respect he still has some way to go.


if your missus shagged your brother, but then apologised. would it all be ok?
how long would you think it would take for it all to become ok?
sometimes an apology on its own, means next to nothing


id imagine a couple of whole games where he looks like he did 2nd half, and he'll be fully forgiven.
that'd be like your missus apologising for shagging your brother, and her allowing you anal/3somes for a few weeks to make up for it.
youd start to come round

[Royal Tezza]

Everything I was going to say has been covered, new signings good, much better performance second haf...

My first time in Y25, loved it. Going to make sure I'm in there for every game I can make it to from now on. Didn't hear any booing at all.

[West Stand Man]

Guthrie is, quite clearly, a very able player. He probably had a fall out with he last manager. The inability to manage that fall out is a leadership failure. We are now beginning to see the real ability Guthrie brings to this squad and, once the defence gets used to passing him the ball when he comes deep to fetch it we will really see his worth.

good player. agreed.
and agree brian, must take his share of blame for the fall out.
but to absolve guthrie completely and put it all down to brian is LOLable.



if i have a manager who manages me in a way i dont enjoy, makes decisions i disagree with etc
then it is down to me to make him aware of this, and make sure i prove to him that my way is better than his.
if he's unreasonable or out of order, and refuses to listen id possibly take it higher/to HR but most likely id start looking for work elsewhere.

the point where i just flat refused to work for him, or do what he asks, & walk out of work in a big huff would be the day i lose the argument, and would be rightly disciplined, possibly sacked.


he will have to do slightly more to prove to me that hes worth it, simply for the reasons that hes a better player than most in the league, and many on our squad. i dont want him to look AS good as the other midfielders etc, i want him to look better.
he walked out on the club, and refused to play in a vitally important game. thats going to take some making up for imo, and thats how it should be. im sure he'll achieve this quite quickly if he keeps playing like he did in the 2nd half

I don't think I attributed the whole thing to the manager. Obviously the refusal to travel was Guthrie. My point is that the subsequent failure to deal with it was a lack of leadership, and that is the manager's problem.

[Sanguine]

Lol @ brendy and sandman. Had no idea they were 9 year old girls.

‘But, but, he’s wweeeallllly howwwwible!!!’

The club and squad have moved on, and moreover Guthrie has been playing well for some time.

With a squad including Bridge, Williams, McCarthy, Drenthe, Guthrie, Pog and Alf, soon brendy won’t have anyone left who he doesn’t expect ‘more of because he’s a better player’.

[Ian Royal]

Where were you last season? McD didn't play him and he got the arse. It was then reported that he refused to travel. McD was quoted as saying he needed to sort his head out. Guthrie made a public apology - mcD, having bought him in, gave him little chance in the team. When he did play, and under Adkins mostly, I could see he could be a real asset to us. The "allegedly" I wrote is to do with the stuff I just wrote. I then said I thought McD had handled him appallingly. Hth.

lol at that making it ok to refuse to play

No one (at least no one with half a braincell, which I sometimes think might rule out RL) has ever suggested he was right to refuse to play. But people had sympathy for his position without condoning the action, because of the piss poor handling of him and performances without him.

[LoyalRoyalFan]

Because some people are blinkered and won't give credit where it's due cos a player once reacted badly to not being included in the team - allegedly. McD handled him appallingly, tho I say so myself. He gave 100% yesterday and he impressed me when he was given chances last season.

Forgot how you were at the training ground every day.

Where in that quote of mine does it even HINT that I go to the training ground? He impressed me on Saturday and I had already been impressed with him, what little I'd seen him play, when he was given chances last season. Hth.

I didn't suggest that but how would anyone know what goes on at the training ground? I would lay most of the blame at Guthrie's door rather than McDermott. If Guthrie refused to travel, even though other members of the squad who are not picked travel, then it suggests he believes he is bigger than the club.

He has played quite well since Adkins has come in, but his attitude off the pitch has been a little suspect, wouldn't you agree?

[Sanguine]

He has played quite well since Adkins has come in, but his attitude off the pitch has been a little suspect, wouldn't you agree?

Ever been a bit of a cnut?

Lucky people don't hold it against you until the end of time, really, isn't it?

[LoyalRoyalFan]

He has played quite well since Adkins has come in, but his attitude off the pitch has been a little suspect, wouldn't you agree?

Ever been a bit of a cnut?

Lucky people don't hold it against you until the end of time, really, isn't it?

Forgive and forget is one way of looking at it.

A good season under his belt might change it for me.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Guthrie played very well indeed. Good job he refused to travel to Sunderland to sit inconsequently on the bench or his strange hateclub would have nothing to clutch.

It’s not even about his refusal to travel. That’s just ammunition. The real reason is that fans were polarised when McD dropped him. Some became critics of McD who wanted to see our football improve and Guthrie given a chance. Defenders of McD didn’t like this criticism.

Guthrie not travelling was literally the best thing to happen to Melonhead ever.

[stickywhisky]

Didn't hear any booing, and if there was I can't see what benefit this would have.
Guthrie and Willaims (when he came on) were outstanding, HRK was a bit off the pace with a few poor touches.
We had an Ipswich fan in Y19 in his colours, on his own. Wild celebrations when they scored - anyone else notice this?