MATCHWATCH : Nottingham Forest (a)

[Snowflake Royal]

I think a lot of people underestimate the psychological damage getting stuffed each week can have.

Or the dreadful effect poor management and training can have on good players.

We have plenty of good players. But they're confidence is shattered. And the squad has been built haphazardly based on what shiny new toy we could have or what last semi broken toy is still available for tuppence.

You look all across the pitch and there are players with the same flaws and stregths as each other. There's no matching of one player's strength to protect another's weakness.

[Zip]

Says something when Yiadom and Laurent have been our best centre back pairing this season.

Maybe we should revert to playing three at the back with those two being part of the back three. We have too many hopelessly slow centre backs.
Then play Rinomhota and TDB in front of them. We really must drop Drinkwater. He is truly dereadful.

It we had another right back/wing back option it’d be worth considering. Maybe it is anyway

Tetek when fit? A bit small to be part of a back three but none of our centre backs appear up to it. Desperate stuff. Also if Laurent plays at cb who plays at cdm with Rino? We have to drop Drinkwater. He is a huge part of the problem. We have to have much more energy in the side. We need to close down the opposition, scrap for the ball etc but we don’t have the players to do that.

[Zip]

I think a lot of people underestimate the psychological damage getting stuffed each week can have.

Or the dreadful effect poor management and training can have on good players.

We have plenty of good players. But they're confidence is shattered. And the squad has been built haphazardly based on what shiny new toy we could have or what last semi broken toy is still available for tuppence.

You look all across the pitch and there are players with the same flaws and stregths as each other. There's no matching of one player's strength to protect another's weakness.

The squad is also so badly unbalanced. So few defensive options. So many attacking choices.

[leon]

:lol: yous pcunts got smashed again

genuinely hope you get relegated

What a twat

Care in the community is not working

[AthleticoSpizz]

On the ignore list already

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Here I was saying our defence had improved since Ince as arrived! Yesterday it was awful.

No real individual error for the first goal, just not switched on enough to runners at all, McIntyre just ball-watching and then our defenders just get turned really easily in the box, similar to the 2nd goal as well, a couple of players just turned too easily. Southwood at fault for the third, poor goalkeeping, needs dropping in midweek and the 4th goal is just decent play by Forest but just not working hard enough without the ball.

In fairness to Ince, he was right in his post-match press conference, it's just a soft under-belly we've got really. I'm not sure how much of that comes down to the manager really either. Question their competence or not, we've had an array of managers over the last 3/4 years who haven't been able to find the fight in the team. More so this season because it's not a lot of the players' problems in 10 games time, no matter where we finish. Not that it's any acceptable reason to perform like that in the 2nd half though, they are professionals in their trade.

Hopefully the performance is far better in the week, maybe we nick a valuable point and then we can try and move on to some more favourable fixtures in the coming weeks. The next 4 league games after Bournemouth are Blackburn, who appear to be doing what we did last season, Barnsley, Stoke and Cardiff, 3 of them at home and Barnsley being away. You've got to be thinking we get points out of those games.

[Zip]

Here I was saying our defence had improved since Ince as arrived! Yesterday it was awful.

No real individual error for the first goal, just not switched on enough to runners at all, McIntyre just ball-watching and then our defenders just get turned really easily in the box, similar to the 2nd goal as well, a couple of players just turned too easily. Southwood at fault for the third, poor goalkeeping, needs dropping in midweek and the 4th goal is just decent play by Forest but just not working hard enough without the ball.

In fairness to Ince, he was right in his post-match press conference, it's just a soft under-belly we've got really. I'm not sure how much of that comes down to the manager really either. Question their competence or not, we've had an array of managers over the last 3/4 years who haven't been able to find the fight in the team. More so this season because it's not a lot of the players' problems in 10 games time, no matter where we finish. Not that it's any acceptable reason to perform like that in the 2nd half though, they are professionals in their trade.

Hopefully the performance is far better in the week, maybe we nick a valuable point and then we can try and move on to some more favourable fixtures in the coming weeks. The next 4 league games after Bournemouth are Blackburn, who appear to be doing what we did last season, Barnsley, Stoke and Cardiff, 3 of them at home and Barnsley being away. You've got to be thinking we get points out of those games.

Our centre backs are so slow. Morrison and Dann both get turned so easily on the deck.Holmes regularly left flat footed. TMac so slow to react.
It’s a huge problem and we don’t have any other options currently other than playing the likes of Yiadom and Laurent there instead.

[blythspartan]

Here I was saying our defence had improved since Ince as arrived! Yesterday it was awful.

No real individual error for the first goal, just not switched on enough to runners at all, McIntyre just ball-watching and then our defenders just get turned really easily in the box, similar to the 2nd goal as well, a couple of players just turned too easily. Southwood at fault for the third, poor goalkeeping, needs dropping in midweek and the 4th goal is just decent play by Forest but just not working hard enough without the ball.

In fairness to Ince, he was right in his post-match press conference, it's just a soft under-belly we've got really. I'm not sure how much of that comes down to the manager really either. Question their competence or not, we've had an array of managers over the last 3/4 years who haven't been able to find the fight in the team. More so this season because it's not a lot of the players' problems in 10 games time, no matter where we finish. Not that it's any acceptable reason to perform like that in the 2nd half though, they are professionals in their trade.

Hopefully the performance is far better in the week, maybe we nick a valuable point and then we can try and move on to some more favourable fixtures in the coming weeks. The next 4 league games after Bournemouth are Blackburn, who appear to be doing what we did last season, Barnsley, Stoke and Cardiff, 3 of them at home and Barnsley being away. You've got to be thinking we get points out of those games.

I hope I am wrong but I don’t see us getting anything from any of those games. Right now I’d settle for a 1-0 defeat against Bournemouth and hope we can get something at home against Blackburn.

[AthleticoSpizz]

1-0, 10-0 makes virtually no difference at the end game.

A clean sheet please…..yeah, I know

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Here I was saying our defence had improved since Ince as arrived! Yesterday it was awful.

No real individual error for the first goal, just not switched on enough to runners at all, McIntyre just ball-watching and then our defenders just get turned really easily in the box, similar to the 2nd goal as well, a couple of players just turned too easily. Southwood at fault for the third, poor goalkeeping, needs dropping in midweek and the 4th goal is just decent play by Forest but just not working hard enough without the ball.

In fairness to Ince, he was right in his post-match press conference, it's just a soft under-belly we've got really. I'm not sure how much of that comes down to the manager really either. Question their competence or not, we've had an array of managers over the last 3/4 years who haven't been able to find the fight in the team. More so this season because it's not a lot of the players' problems in 10 games time, no matter where we finish. Not that it's any acceptable reason to perform like that in the 2nd half though, they are professionals in their trade.

Hopefully the performance is far better in the week, maybe we nick a valuable point and then we can try and move on to some more favourable fixtures in the coming weeks. The next 4 league games after Bournemouth are Blackburn, who appear to be doing what we did last season, Barnsley, Stoke and Cardiff, 3 of them at home and Barnsley being away. You've got to be thinking we get points out of those games.

I hope I am wrong but I don’t see us getting anything from any of those games. Right now I’d settle for a 1-0 defeat against Bournemouth and hope we can get something at home against Blackburn.

I know what you're saying but I also can't see us losing forever more either. I think we've had our pretty awful run earlier in the season and, whilst this is still quite bad now, it's nothing compared to what it was. If we can come away from Tuesday with a 4 point gap between us and the bottom 3 then that should be ok.

[Millsy]

It's better than watching this crap. We are worse.....way worse.

You are Clownavic aren't you?

Your posts are as shit as his management.

I never said he was a good manager. I just think Ince is worse.

Ascot what sort of responses do you expect on a footy forum to a nuanced point Don't worry I get you and a small part of me was thinking the same thing.

Obviously Pauno was awful and can burn in hell for what he's done but I totally get the point that getting rid of him to bring in a rushed hodgepodge of nobodies, who have managed to crush the glimmerings of a turnaround to drag us straight back into large defeats does make you wonder how much we've gained, if anything.

I maintain that before the wheels fell off Pauno had a style of playing that was at least in part enjoyable. Tippy tappy quick attacking prowess albeit with horrific defence. Not many draws as a result but lately more defeats than wins. Ince pointed out this blatantly obvious fact admitting there's nothing wrong with the attack whatsoever, just need to tighten the defence. Yet it seems to me that he must've got confused and kept the defence as it is and stifled the attack instead.

I can't quite figure it out. He said how he wanted them to stop the "tippy tappy nonsense" in the postmatch interview, so ok, now it's clear we're no longer doing these quick passes at the back or anywhere. What do we have in its place? We suddenly can't score despite havign a frontline many in the division would be envious of. yet it's done the defence zero good.

My only hope is that this was always meant to be an interim appointment as promised, while they're finalising contracts for a new team to come in asap and we see that change before the next game or two tops. My fear is there was arrogantly no plan whatsoever, a reluctant snap decision was made to get rid of the clown after mounting protests with a random lucky dip till the end of the season just to shut us all up.

Out of the frying pan into the fire.

[72 bus]

I think a lot of people underestimate the psychological damage getting stuffed each week can have.

Or the dreadful effect poor management and training can have on good players.

We have plenty of good players. But they're confidence is shattered. And the squad has been built haphazardly based on what shiny new toy we could have or what last semi broken toy is still available for tuppence.

You look all across the pitch and there are players with the same flaws and stregths as each other. There's no matching of one player's strength to protect another's weakness.

We have plenty of good players, most of whom wont be here next season, they are already taking to their agents about clubs for next season.
This lot won't run through walls to keep Reading in this league, why would they ?

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I think a lot of people underestimate the psychological damage getting stuffed each week can have.

Or the dreadful effect poor management and training can have on good players.

We have plenty of good players. But they're confidence is shattered. And the squad has been built haphazardly based on what shiny new toy we could have or what last semi broken toy is still available for tuppence.

You look all across the pitch and there are players with the same flaws and stregths as each other. There's no matching of one player's strength to protect another's weakness.

We have plenty of good players, most of whom wont be here next season, they are already taking to their agents about clubs for next season.
This lot won't run through walls to keep Reading in this league, why would they ?

Because it's not about keeping Reading in the league, it's about the continuation of their careers at the best possible level. Why would teams actively look to pick a player up who isn't working hard for a team in a given situation? Particularly at the bottom of the league.