Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

[brendywendy]

A blip yes, but one that we could've made more of had we not refused to move forwards and instead found ourselves nearly two leagues behind in 2.5 half years time.

It's not easy to kick on from there, I'm not saying it is, just that I can perfectly understand some peoples concern that the club won't successfully kick on from here or replace existing players with the kind of success brendy seems convinced we will.

If anything history says that we won't, and after a period of high achievement (which McDermotts tenure should be looked at considering the resources available to him) most clubs in our situation experience similar issues.

We've had a good run, our high achieving key players will be cherry picked by the bigger fish and we'll have to start to rebuild....again. It's similar to '95, '07 and the end of the Coppell period that was spread over the two summers following relegation.

Each time we've come back weaker.

lol @ Nearly 2 leagues?
you mean 1, and nearly none, surely


im not sure what else the club need to to convince you. other than to have already established ourselves in a league we have no real right to be in by any measure,
i cant understand how that is understandable at all tbf, given the 9 good seasons out of ten.

you moan at the policy we follow, and in the same breath are saying that we are defying history by not collpapsing totally after relegation.

of course a relegated team comes back weaker- your best players go, and you have to rebuild. what did you expect?it would be impossible to get relegated and be stronger for it. shirley?

[brendywendy]

Depends on the quality of the rebuilding job I guess.

I'm not saying we should expect miracles, just pointing out that where brendy seems to think we won't fail we haven't really succeeded (understandably) in the past.

lol.

i simply l;ook at the recent record of the club, and put my trust in them that they will and do do the right thing.
no ones perfect, but i think these lot have demonstrated that the trust is deserving.

you are of course welcome to believe totally the opposite, i just dont know what evidence you are basing that choice on.

ive clearly stated that i think we will replace mills, and long, if sold, and i clearly said ill be annoyed if we dont.im not sure why you need to jkeep name checking me like my positive opinion has any effect on anything.

[Hoop Blah]

No real right to be in? In what way? You don't think we're one of the top 40 odd clubs these days?

As for 1 bad season in 10? Relegation was one, Coppells next season was a poor return too (don't you remember the way we cocked up being in a position to walk the league at Christmas?) as was the Rodgers/McDermott season because of many various factors.

Those were seasons where we weren't very good for long long periods and where, asa club, we turned an excellent squad that just needed tweaking here and there to be a steady Premier League side into a dire Championship side that couldn't buy a goal for 12 months.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

Depends on the quality of the rebuilding job I guess.

I'm not saying we should expect miracles, just pointing out that where brendy seems to think we won't fail we haven't really succeeded (understandably) in the past.

lol.

i simply l;ook at the recent record of the club, and put my trust in them that they will and do do the right thing.
no ones perfect, but i think these lot have demonstrated that the trust is deserving.

you are of course welcome to believe totally the opposite, i just dont know what evidence you are basing that choice on.

ive clearly stated that i think we will replace mills, and long, if sold, and i clearly said ill be annoyed if we dont.im not sure why you need to jkeep name checking me like my positive opinion has any effect on anything.

Brendy ..replacing is one thing..but replacing with equal quality is another...if they arent of equal quality then in effect the squad becomes weaker and then BM has to pull even more rabbits out of hat to achieve a successful seasn which is obv demanded by chairman...because no success means fewer bums on seats and ultimately fewer season ticket renewals = another hole to fill

[brendywendy]

No real right to be in? In what way? You don't think we're one of the top 40 odd clubs these days?

As for 1 bad season in 10? Relegation was one, Coppells next season was a poor return too (don't you remember the way we cocked up being in a position to walk the league at Christmas?) as was the Rodgers/McDermott season because of many various factors.

Those were seasons where we weren't very good for long long periods and where, asa club, we turned an excellent squad that just needed tweaking here and there to be a steady Premier League side into a dire Championship side that couldn't buy a goal for 12 months.

im saying top 20, as in you believe we should have established ourselves as a top flight club.

top 40 yes, i reckon we make that, and only because of what JM has done here

[brendywendy]

No real right to be in? In what way? You don't think we're one of the top 40 odd clubs these days?

As for 1 bad season in 10? Relegation was one, Coppells next season was a poor return too (don't you remember the way we cocked up being in a position to walk the league at Christmas?) as was the Rodgers/McDermott season because of many various factors.

Those were seasons where we weren't very good for long long periods and where, asa club, we turned an excellent squad that just needed tweaking here and there to be a steady Premier League side into a dire Championship side that couldn't buy a goal for 12 months.

im taking bad, as not competetive in the league we are in.

& id say that managing to be anywhere near after our relegation was a good job.

its just the difference between positivity, and neagativity

[brendywendy]

No real right to be in? In what way? You don't think we're one of the top 40 odd clubs these days?

As for 1 bad season in 10? Relegation was one, Coppells next season was a poor return too (don't you remember the way we cocked up being in a position to walk the league at Christmas?) as was the Rodgers/McDermott season because of many various factors.

Those were seasons where we weren't very good for long long periods and where, asa club, we turned an excellent squad that just needed tweaking here and there to be a steady Premier League side into a dire Championship side that couldn't buy a goal for 12 months.

if we were perfect every year, wed have won the champions league 5 times etc.
we were competetive, and nearly got back up.

[brendywendy]

Depends on the quality of the rebuilding job I guess.

I'm not saying we should expect miracles, just pointing out that where brendy seems to think we won't fail we haven't really succeeded (understandably) in the past.

lol.

i simply l;ook at the recent record of the club, and put my trust in them that they will and do do the right thing.
no ones perfect, but i think these lot have demonstrated that the trust is deserving.

you are of course welcome to believe totally the opposite, i just dont know what evidence you are basing that choice on.

ive clearly stated that i think we will replace mills, and long, if sold, and i clearly said ill be annoyed if we dont.im not sure why you need to jkeep name checking me like my positive opinion has any effect on anything.

Brendy ..replacing is one thing..but replacing with equal quality is another...if they arent of equal quality then in effect the squad becomes weaker and then BM has to pull even more rabbits out of hat to achieve a successful seasn which is obv demanded by chairman...because no success means fewer bums on seats and ultimately fewer season ticket renewals = another hole to fill

if we had the money to replace with equal quality we wouldnt have needed to sell anyone in the first place.
of course we cant replace with equal quality at the point of sale. what we can do is replace them with better quality at the point of purchase. as in the players we bring in will be as good/better or as expensive as the players we have sold were when we brought them in.

they were all cheap/free, and they all turned into multi million pound players.
so we have a proven track record of being able to do so.
if that starts to become doubtful(ie under rodgers) JM/NH will move to address that

[Bandini]

A Team Board 5 in a row, followed by a 4 in a row shortly thereafter (in the middle of the day)? Congratulations brendy.

[brendywendy]

yeah, sorry, i had to go to lunch in the middle, hence why i stopped.

[KC Royal]

I was under the impression that selling Gylfi was meant to sort us out for this summer?

The shortfall was supposedly £4m per year. Last summer we raised £7m from Gylfi (this obviously depends on clauses, but I thought the deal offered a lot of cash upfront) and about £1m from Henry, Cisse and Matejovsky. Equalling £8m.

We may have spent £2m on Zurab, Harte and Leigertwood. So, there should be a £2m shortfall and that's forgetting the play-off final and cup run. We sold Mills for £4.5m upfront, so in theory we should have £2.5m excess. I'm not expecting us to spend all of that, but come on there's no way we shouldn't have enough to find a replacement.

I think I'm a reasonable fan and I understand we have to make funds to cover the gaps. However, this is getting ridiculous, we are being lied to about how bad the finances of this football club are.

The Sig deal was actually only worth 6m to us as i'm sure Icelandic Stokie mentioned a sell on fee that his Icelandic club got. Think it was something like 10/15% and equated to about 1m. Was under the impression that Harte was coming in anyway so the extra 2m would have gone solely on Leg and Zurab. All leaves only a 1.5m excess.

I agree that that should be enough to fund a replacement for Mills, but it seems that some of the Mills money has gone to Donny (which i admit i hadn't realised myself either) and some of the rest may have gone on the contracts for HRK and McAnuff, and the deals on the table for Long and Kebe. All the deals are presumably improved terms.

So all in all, McD is prob right when he says we have no money to spend. We may have some left over but that would prob just cover the wages of any new signing, which is why a loan signing with a view to a permanent deal should we go up would be the most attractive deal for the club imo.

[Ian Royal]

McD says we have no money to spend from the Mills transfer, not that we have no money to spend. How else do you think we're going to bring in a new centreback? Which he's also said the club are working on.

[KC Royal]

I was just replying to the points that savage 4 england made. That was my intention anyway (but also in response to those who thought that we got 7m for Sig), but clearly misinterpreted McD's comments. And i knew that we were after a CB, doesn't mean we need a sizeable transfer fee though if we get a loan player in (which from this board supposedly we've been linked with).

Personally i think the reason that McD was hacked off at the Mills transfer is because he didn't expect him to want to join another Championship club, and it was something that the club hadn't planned for either after letting Ingi and Zurab go, think it was more Ingi's decision to leave, but he may have been persuaded to stay if he had known that Mills was going. McD expected to balance the books by selling Long, thats what I get from reading his interview on the official site anyway.

Anyway, i'll go back to my cave now.

[Royalee]

Anyone else notice the deficit seems to grow in exact correlation with money earned from transfers?

Interesting.

Indeed...funny that, our fans are pretty gullible.

Notice how all's gone quiet about selling the club with all this money coming in...ironically after all the PR crap about not being able to bankroll the club, it's RFC that must be making the most money for the chairman.

[Ian Royal]

I'm sure you're right and we were expecting Long to be the one who brought in the money. I think we've been worried about losing a few players, but Mills going means we shouldn't lose anyone other than Long and then only if someone comes in with a big offer for him, rather than just a decent one of say £4m-£5m

[Royal Rother]

So can we take it that the £4m clause that so many people were banging on about a few weeks ago doesn't actually exist?

[Friday's Legacy]

McD says we have no money to spend from the Mills transfer, not that we have no money to spend. How else do you think we're going to bring in a new centreback? Which he's also said the club are working on.

i'm sure i've read something from the club that said we wouldn't be buying anyone this summer and we would be looking at a loanee defender. perhaps that's just the club being coy so others don't think we have money to throw away but i really wouldn't expect to see us spend much if anything at all this summer.

i see we're linked with anthony gardner, the former spurs and hull city centre back. free transfer, can cover left back as well. he and a loan defender and i think we look pretty strong going into the new campaign. that said, it's a different story if we lose shane long. replacing shane on our budget is almost impossible.

[PEARCEY]

If we keep Long it would be a real boost for the start of the season. The worst outcome would be Long going just as the transfer window closes. Whether there would be time to bring in a decent replacement in time would be my concern. If Long's going to go let it be very soon.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!

[PEARCEY]

I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!

Then he needs to be sold sharpish. The worst outcome would be as with Siggy going right at the end of August. Presumably the club have forwards in mind to replace him but these transfer dealings have a habit of dragging on. Long needs to go and his replacement in ASAP.