Madejski comments on club ownership

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Extended-Phenotype » 06 Feb 2014 16:25

genome Perhaps he was confident the take over deals in the offing would be completed in time? Maybe Anton had promised some funds but never came through with them (which wouldn't surprise me considering the last summer window). Just saying maybe Madejski isn't at fault here.


Apparently he never is.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by YateleyRoyal » 06 Feb 2014 16:54

Dave-Royal well I am very happy about Sir John Madejski back in as charge but he will find right owner to take over, one day I new this was happening month ago.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by genome » 06 Feb 2014 17:06

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genome Perhaps he was confident the take over deals in the offing would be completed in time? Maybe Anton had promised some funds but never came through with them (which wouldn't surprise me considering the last summer window). Just saying maybe Madejski isn't at fault here.


Apparently he never is.


I never said nor implied that...

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by RoyalBlue » 06 Feb 2014 17:56

genome Perhaps he was confident the take over deals in the offing would be completed in time? Maybe Anton had promised some funds but never came through with them (which wouldn't surprise me considering the last summer window). Just saying maybe Madejski isn't at fault here.


He is entirely at fault. No one forced him to open his big mouth and say that transfer funds would definitely be available to Adkins in the January transfer window. Dellor even got him to repeat it, thus providing him with an ideal opportunity to qualify his initial statement e.g. 'subject to the sale going through funds will be available' or 'Anton Zingarevech has said he will make funds available'. But no, the Ego decided to repeat his unqualified assurance of transfer funding, thus considerably raising fans' expectations only to fail, once again, to walk a single foot of the walk!

By the sound of things, initially Adkins also had his expectations raised (again) only to have them dashed.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Uke » 06 Feb 2014 18:44

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genome Perhaps he was confident the take over deals in the offing would be completed in time? Maybe Anton had promised some funds but never came through with them (which wouldn't surprise me considering the last summer window). Just saying maybe Madejski isn't at fault here.


He is entirely at fault. No one forced him to open his big mouth and say that transfer funds would definitely be available to Adkins in the January transfer window. Dellor even got him to repeat it, thus providing him with an ideal opportunity to qualify his initial statement e.g. 'subject to the sale going through funds will be available' or 'Anton Zingarevech has said he will make funds available'. But no, the Ego decided to repeat his unqualified assurance of transfer funding, thus considerably raising fans' expectations only to fail, once again, to walk a single foot of the walk!

By the sound of things, initially Adkins also had his expectations raised (again) only to have them dashed.



But why are you automatically blaming SJM - the only mouthpiece for the club since August?

If the "Zingarevich Family" had promised funds he would have been duty bound (as the club chairman) to say they were available. If the "Zingarevich Family" then renege on that what can he (or Adkins) do? After all the "Zingarevich Family" seem to have some form here!

Also if he'd come out publically and said "we cant afford unless we sell" then the sharks would have circled even more than happened.


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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Vision » 07 Feb 2014 08:43

Technically funds were made available to table a bid for Hobbs. Still think we'll do something with Baird once fit and if Adkins really really wanted Sharp i suspect he'd be here.

It's not exactly QPR funding but funds (albeit) minor was made available and still might be in the loan or in Baird's case short term market.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Hampshire Royal » 07 Feb 2014 11:08

How great would it be if Royalblue, E-P and the rest created a strong enough pressure group to force SJM out? A new Chairman would then be appointed (perhaps someone from this group). They could then easily find someone who would put in limitless amounts of money into the club (how difficult can it be to sell a small town second division club to mega-rich investors?) and we would buy exactly the players they and the manager wanted. It's simple isn't it?

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Extended-Phenotype » 07 Feb 2014 11:14

Hampshire Royal How great would it be if Royalblue, E-P and the rest created a strong enough pressure group to force SJM out? A new Chairman would then be appointed (perhaps someone from this group). They could then easily find someone who would put in limitless amounts of money into the club (how difficult can it be to sell a small town second division club to mega-rich investors?) and we would buy exactly the players they and the manager wanted. It's simple isn't it?


If you need to create a strawman to attack my opinion, knock yerself out m8. It's a bit lame, though.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by SPARTA » 07 Feb 2014 11:39

Hampshire Royal How great would it be if Royalblue, E-P and the rest created a strong enough pressure group to force SJM out? A new Chairman would then be appointed (perhaps someone from this group). They could then easily find someone who would put in limitless amounts of money into the club (how difficult can it be to sell a small town second division club to mega-rich investors?) and we would buy exactly the players they and the manager wanted. It's simple isn't it?


Small town? Isn't Reading the largest town in the country? And still deemed a boom town. I'm not knocking the point you're trying to make, but to suggest it would be hard to sell Reading (town) to anyone is wrong.


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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Ian Royal » 07 Feb 2014 11:44

Vision Technically funds were made available to table a bid for Hobbs. Still think we'll do something with Baird once fit and if Adkins really really wanted Sharp i suspect he'd be here.

It's not exactly QPR funding but funds (albeit) minor was made available and still might be in the loan or in Baird's case short term market.

Yeah, this is the thing. Madejski never said how much would be made available and nor did he offer any guarantees we'd sign anyone.

It's the usual crowd that can't count, beating on Madejski and complaining about money exactly the same as always. The same people who ignored all of the Zingaravich comments about running the club in the same prudent manner but with more financial flexibility and expected big spending. The same people who ignore wages completely.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Wycombe Royal » 07 Feb 2014 11:45

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Hampshire Royal How great would it be if Royalblue, E-P and the rest created a strong enough pressure group to force SJM out? A new Chairman would then be appointed (perhaps someone from this group). They could then easily find someone who would put in limitless amounts of money into the club (how difficult can it be to sell a small town second division club to mega-rich investors?) and we would buy exactly the players they and the manager wanted. It's simple isn't it?


Small town? Isn't Reading the largest town in the country? And still deemed a boom town. I'm not knocking the point you're trying to make, but to suggest it would be hard to sell Reading (town) to anyone is wrong.

To a foreigner it would be quite a heard sell. It has very little history, and certainly nothing that would have brought it attention internationally. In football terms again it has very little history, even in England we are seen as a bit nothing clubs that has spent the majority of its years in the lower leagues.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Extended-Phenotype » 07 Feb 2014 11:52

All I'm saying is that I'm not particularly fussed with JM regaining control and that as news goes, I can't really define it as 'good'.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Uke » 07 Feb 2014 11:57

Extended-Phenotype All I'm saying is that I'm not particularly fussed with JM regaining control and that as news goes, I can't really define it as 'good'.



So if you are so unfussed why define it as "bad" then?


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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by From Despair To Where? » 07 Feb 2014 12:06

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genome Perhaps he was confident the take over deals in the offing would be completed in time? Maybe Anton had promised some funds but never came through with them (which wouldn't surprise me considering the last summer window). Just saying maybe Madejski isn't at fault here.


He is entirely at fault. No one forced him to open his big mouth and say that transfer funds would definitely be available to Adkins in the January transfer window. Dellor even got him to repeat it, thus providing him with an ideal opportunity to qualify his initial statement e.g. 'subject to the sale going through funds will be available' or 'Anton Zingarevech has said he will make funds available'. But no, the Ego decided to repeat his unqualified assurance of transfer funding, thus considerably raising fans' expectations only to fail, once again, to walk a single foot of the walk!

By the sound of things, initially Adkins also had his expectations raised (again) only to have them dashed.


But if he regularly misleads everyone about the level of funding available, why the oxf*rd do people still, window after window, allow their expectations to be raised by Madejski's talk of money being available.

"SJM, what a tightarse, always says there's money available but never backs it up with hard cash, the lying old soak"

SJM "There is money available to strengthen the squad"

"Ooohh, lets spunk £5m on a left back, attacking midfielder and another striker"

SJM "Signing Fred Bloggs from Havant & Waterlooville Accrington for £15,000 shows our determination to get into the Premier League"

"It's not fair, SJM made us believe we were signing Messi and Ronaldo"

Jeez, he's been spouting the same shit ever since we signed Andy Legg and Jason Bowen back in 1997. Why do people still fall for it?

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Uke » 07 Feb 2014 12:07

Because he got us into the Premiership


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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Agent Balti » 07 Feb 2014 12:09

Probably because it gives us nothing new and he can't kick us on personally any longer. He is effectively 'caretaker manager' added with the knowledge of the club at heart. That's pretty much it.

OK, it's not the worst scenario, but I understand E-P's meh-ness about it.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Vision » 07 Feb 2014 12:36

Extended-Phenotype All I'm saying is that I'm not particularly fussed with JM regaining control and that as news goes, I can't really define it as 'good'.


Tbf I do agree. Basically him being back at the helm means things haven't gone as well as they should have. However if we're going to put up with uncertain times then I'm happier to have his familiar, if oddball eccentric, face overseeing things.

Despite what some might say (and I'm not including you in this EP) the odd hiccup and faux pas aside he's been pretty much a good thing for this club for over twenty years now.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by SPARTA » 07 Feb 2014 12:44

From Despair To Where? Jeez, he's been spouting the same shit ever since we signed Andy Legg and Jason Bowen back in 1997. Why do people still fall for it?


Ah yes, that very unsuccessful record-breaking period between 1997 and 2014. Get him out of our club!

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by Ian Royal » 07 Feb 2014 14:04

I don't think FdtW is criticising SJM. He's criticising those who complain time and time again that he's led them on and let them dow by making some fairly innoccuous positive spin comments.

I beleive he's making the old point:
Fool me once shame on you.
Fool me every six months shame on me because I'm a moron.

And if he isn't he should be.

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Re: Madejski comments on club ownership

by bobby m's syrup » 07 Feb 2014 14:20

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Hampshire Royal How great would it be if Royalblue, E-P and the rest created a strong enough pressure group to force SJM out? A new Chairman would then be appointed (perhaps someone from this group). They could then easily find someone who would put in limitless amounts of money into the club (how difficult can it be to sell a small town second division club to mega-rich investors?) and we would buy exactly the players they and the manager wanted. It's simple isn't it?


Small town? Isn't Reading the largest town in the country? And still deemed a boom town. I'm not knocking the point you're trying to make, but to suggest it would be hard to sell Reading (town) to anyone is wrong.


The potential catchment area for a successful Reading team is enormous. The area is comparatively wealthy and has good transport links. And...are we not making history as we go along?

With regard to international appeal, by coincidence I just chatted to a young black guy wearing a Reading shirt...in Cape Town
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