MATCHWATCH : Rotherham United (h)

[Snowflake Royal]

What we can say, once safety is assured, we are in for an exciting summer with what will approximately be 8 new signings and 4 loans coming in.

It will be interesting to see if any of the current team are offered new contracts for next season? There are a few whom should be extended or re-signed: Lumley, Mbengue, Fornah would be my main three. Not sure how long NGW signed on for so would have him extend if needed. I would also like to keep Meite who on his day and played in the correct position is deadly and unplayable.

Hutchinson, Dann, Babba, Hendrick, Ejaria, Loum, Hoilett, Carroll, Long, Joao can all go.

Bring in 4/5 from the U23 side and rebuild within budgetary constraints from young hungrey players in the lower leagues and Premiership fringe players.

Whatever happens, it will be an interesting and fun post season.

Lumley - think we should try to do better
Mbengue - absolutely
Fornah - sure, but I don’t think its likely
NGW - yes
Meite - yes, unless we aren’t going to play a front 3, but expect him to decline
Hutchinson - no
Dann - hell no
Rahman - oh hell no
Hendrick - probably, but only really for continuity
Ejaria - hell no
Loum - maybe, probably not
Hoilett - yeah valuable squad player
Carroll - already signed for next season hasn't he?
Long - I think he's useful off the bench
Joao - bugger all chance of him stay and doesn’t seem to work with Ince

[Stranded]

What we can say, once safety is assured, we are in for an exciting summer with what will approximately be 8 new signings and 4 loans coming in.

It will be interesting to see if any of the current team are offered new contracts for next season? There are a few whom should be extended or re-signed: Lumley, Mbengue, Fornah would be my main three. Not sure how long NGW signed on for so would have him extend if needed. I would also like to keep Meite who on his day and played in the correct position is deadly and unplayable.

Hutchinson, Dann, Babba, Hendrick, Ejaria, Loum, Hoilett, Carroll, Long, Joao can all go.

Bring in 4/5 from the U23 side and rebuild within budgetary constraints from young hungrey players in the lower leagues and Premiership fringe players.

Whatever happens, it will be an interesting and fun post season.

Lumley - think we should try to do better
Mbengue - absolutely
Fornah - sure, but I don’t think its likely
NGW - yes
Meite - yes, unless we aren’t going to play a front 3, but expect him to decline
Hutchinson - no
Dann - hell no
Rahman - oh hell no
Hendrick - probably, but only really for continuity
Ejaria - hell no
Loum - maybe, probably not
Hoilett - yeah valuable squad player
Carroll - already signed for next season hasn't he?
Long - I think he's useful off the bench
Joao - bugger all chance of him stay and doesn’t seem to work with Ince

Fornah wants to come and if Forest stay up they may well let him leave for a small fee or even free as he's OOC in 2024.

Hutchinson has a deal already for next year, so he'll be around unless he retires, which is possible.

Ejaria may still be here if no-one wants him or we pay up the last year.

Carroll has a deal for next year

Lumley will likely sign unless both parties can get better deals I would say - outside that and Mebengue/NGW, the rest will definitely leave/retire.

[Hound]

Yeah would like to keep Mbengue, Fornah, NGW

Hendrick may be if a deal can be reached with Newcastle. Expect it can

On the fence with Lumley

Long, Meite, Joao, Moore, Loum, baba, Hoilett, Dann, Tetek can all go

Ejaria sell if possible

Keep on Abbey, CBC, Senga, Camara, Scott, K Ehib, Abrefa, Craig, John Clarke if they aren’t already signed up

[Snowflake Royal]

It will be interesting to see if any of the current team are offered new contracts for next season? There are a few whom should be extended or re-signed: Lumley, Mbengue, Fornah would be my main three. Not sure how long NGW signed on for so would have him extend if needed. I would also like to keep Meite who on his day and played in the correct position is deadly and unplayable.

Hutchinson, Dann, Babba, Hendrick, Ejaria, Loum, Hoilett, Carroll, Long, Joao can all go.

Bring in 4/5 from the U23 side and rebuild within budgetary constraints from young hungrey players in the lower leagues and Premiership fringe players.

Whatever happens, it will be an interesting and fun post season.

Lumley - think we should try to do better
Mbengue - absolutely
Fornah - sure, but I don’t think its likely
NGW - yes
Meite - yes, unless we aren’t going to play a front 3, but expect him to decline
Hutchinson - no
Dann - hell no
Rahman - oh hell no
Hendrick - probably, but only really for continuity
Ejaria - hell no
Loum - maybe, probably not
Hoilett - yeah valuable squad player
Carroll - already signed for next season hasn't he?
Long - I think he's useful off the bench
Joao - bugger all chance of him stay and doesn’t seem to work with Ince

Fornah wants to come and if Forest stay up they may well let him leave for a small fee or even free as he's OOC in 2024.

Hutchinson has a deal already for next year, so he'll be around unless he retires, which is possible.

Ejaria may still be here if no-one wants him or we pay up the last year.

Carroll has a deal for next year

Lumley will likely sign unless both parties can get better deals I would say - outside that and Mebengue/NGW, the rest will definitely leave/retire.

Was not aware of that with Fornah, that's good. Had half a thought Hutch may have a longer contract, that's ok. If he can be fit he does offer some squad versatility and experience and he's less past it than some.
I'd probably move heaven and Earth to find Ejaria a club.

You think Hoilett's a definite goner? Started 26 games, only 32, can cover anywhere along either flank or behind a striker. Had some poor ones but also plenty of good. One of our best crossers. Given the probable churn I see some value in another year or two for some added continuity.

[Hound]

Can do better than Hoilett

He’s done ok for us but 1 goal and 0 assists this year…time to move on

[Crowbar6753]

Can do better than Hoilett

He’s done ok for us but 1 goal and 0 assists this year…time to move on

The thing with Hoilett is that Ince has been playing him as WB which isn't his natural position. I guess Right/Left attacking midfielder would suit him best and then I'm sure you would see many more assists and goals. So i guess it's down to what formation Ince chooses for next season.

[Stranded]

Lumley - think we should try to do better
Mbengue - absolutely
Fornah - sure, but I don’t think its likely
NGW - yes
Meite - yes, unless we aren’t going to play a front 3, but expect him to decline
Hutchinson - no
Dann - hell no
Rahman - oh hell no
Hendrick - probably, but only really for continuity
Ejaria - hell no
Loum - maybe, probably not
Hoilett - yeah valuable squad player
Carroll - already signed for next season hasn't he?
Long - I think he's useful off the bench
Joao - bugger all chance of him stay and doesn’t seem to work with Ince

Fornah wants to come and if Forest stay up they may well let him leave for a small fee or even free as he's OOC in 2024.

Hutchinson has a deal already for next year, so he'll be around unless he retires, which is possible.

Ejaria may still be here if no-one wants him or we pay up the last year.

Carroll has a deal for next year

Lumley will likely sign unless both parties can get better deals I would say - outside that and Mebengue/NGW, the rest will definitely leave/retire.

Was not aware of that with Fornah, that's good. Had half a thought Hutch may have a longer contract, that's ok. If he can be fit he does offer some squad versatility and experience and he's less past it than some.
I'd probably move heaven and Earth to find Ejaria a club.

You think Hoilett's a definite goner? Started 26 games, only 32, can cover anywhere along either flank or behind a striker. Had some poor ones but also plenty of good. One of our best crossers. Given the probable churn I see some value in another year or two for some added continuity.

I can see Hoilett heading back to Canada and whilst he's been effective this year, upgrading his role is one area you want to fix. He'll be 33 during next season so likely on a downward trajectory now.

[paultheroyal]

It will be interesting to see if any of the current team are offered new contracts for next season? There are a few whom should be extended or re-signed: Lumley, Mbengue, Fornah would be my main three. Not sure how long NGW signed on for so would have him extend if needed. I would also like to keep Meite who on his day and played in the correct position is deadly and unplayable.

Hutchinson, Dann, Babba, Hendrick, Ejaria, Loum, Hoilett, Carroll, Long, Joao can all go.

Bring in 4/5 from the U23 side and rebuild within budgetary constraints from young hungrey players in the lower leagues and Premiership fringe players.

Whatever happens, it will be an interesting and fun post season.

Azeez and NGW pretty sure they expire at the end of the season so that is paramount that they are kept on. Agree on your 3, Lumley is excellent for this level, fan favourite and still in his 20's. Yes to Mbengue and Fornah. Caroll i am sure got 18 month contract so he is here to stay.

NGW signed a 1 year deal. Azeez signed a 2 year deal in the summer, so is tied down to 2024 but if he stays fit and shows form, we should look to extend that this summer.

Ah that’s great and better, thank you.

[SCIAG]

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I can see Hoilett heading back to Canada and whilst he's been effective this year, upgrading his role is one area you want to fix. He'll be 33 during next season so likely on a downward trajectory now.

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

[TiagoIlori]

Fornah wants to come and if Forest stay up they may well let him leave for a small fee or even free as he's OOC in 2024.

Hutchinson has a deal already for next year, so he'll be around unless he retires, which is possible.

Ejaria may still be here if no-one wants him or we pay up the last year.

Carroll has a deal for next year

Lumley will likely sign unless both parties can get better deals I would say - outside that and Mebengue/NGW, the rest will definitely leave/retire.

Was not aware of that with Fornah, that's good. Had half a thought Hutch may have a longer contract, that's ok. If he can be fit he does offer some squad versatility and experience and he's less past it than some.
I'd probably move heaven and Earth to find Ejaria a club.

You think Hoilett's a definite goner? Started 26 games, only 32, can cover anywhere along either flank or behind a striker. Had some poor ones but also plenty of good. One of our best crossers. Given the probable churn I see some value in another year or two for some added continuity.

I can see Hoilett heading back to Canada and whilst he's been effective this year, upgrading his role is one area you want to fix. He'll be 33 during next season so likely on a downward trajectory now.

He ticks two very important boxes that you need in a 46 game season in being versatile and highly experienced, hence at worst he’ll always be someone useful for rotation. Unless his legs go over the next couple of months.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

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I can see Hoilett heading back to Canada and whilst he's been effective this year, upgrading his role is one area you want to fix. He'll be 33 during next season so likely on a downward trajectory now.

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

I think he has mentioned himself that he'd like to finish his career in Canada, whether he sees this as a good opportunity for him being out of contract or not who knows.

For continuity it's probably worth another 12 months, it's not like he's going to be a costly player for us either, but as a squad player ideally.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

What we can say, once safety is assured, we are in for an exciting summer with what will approximately be 8 new signings and 4 loans coming in.

It will be interesting to see if any of the current team are offered new contracts for next season? There are a few whom should be extended or re-signed: Lumley, Mbengue, Fornah would be my main three. Not sure how long NGW signed on for so would have him extend if needed. I would also like to keep Meite who on his day and played in the correct position is deadly and unplayable.

Hutchinson, Dann, Babba, Hendrick, Ejaria, Loum, Hoilett, Carroll, Long, Joao can all go.

Bring in 4/5 from the U23 side and rebuild within budgetary constraints from young hungrey players in the lower leagues and Premiership fringe players.

Whatever happens, it will be an interesting and fun post season.

Lumley - think we should try to do better
Mbengue - absolutely
Fornah - sure, but I don’t think its likely
NGW - yes
Meite - yes, unless we aren’t going to play a front 3, but expect him to decline
Hutchinson - no
Dann - hell no
Rahman - oh hell no
Hendrick - probably, but only really for continuity
Ejaria - hell no
Loum - maybe, probably not
Hoilett - yeah valuable squad player
Carroll - already signed for next season hasn't he?
Long - I think he's useful off the bench
Joao - bugger all chance of him stay and doesn’t seem to work with Ince

I'd probably look to try and keep Loum but it depends at what cost. If the cost is going to be the 4.3m Euro's (or whatever the figure was) then I wouldn't bother. Hendrick again is someone I'd look to keep if possible. Fornah you'd imagine is a possibility.

Hutchinson is already signed on so we will probably keep him and Meite I don't know if he will stay at this point either whereas Lumley should be someone we look to sign as well.

[Stranded]

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I can see Hoilett heading back to Canada and whilst he's been effective this year, upgrading his role is one area you want to fix. He'll be 33 during next season so likely on a downward trajectory now.

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

I think he has mentioned himself that he'd like to finish his career in Canada, whether he sees this as a good opportunity for him being out of contract or not who knows.

For continuity it's probably worth another 12 months, it's not like he's going to be a costly player for us either, but as a squad player ideally.

Will naturally depend on the player as he is OOC and if he wants to be a regular or happy to be a squad player in the twilight of his career - happy for him to stay as an option but as said he may want to head to Toronto or one of the other Canadian MLS clubs or even drop down to L1 to be a regular - if QPR continue their slide to relegation, then there could be a pull back there to help get them back up.

[Royal Rother]

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I can see Hoilett heading back to Canada and whilst he's been effective this year, upgrading his role is one area you want to fix. He'll be 33 during next season so likely on a downward trajectory now.

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

I think he has mentioned himself that he'd like to finish his career in Canada, whether he sees this as a good opportunity for him being out of contract or not who knows.

For continuity it's probably worth another 12 months, it's not like he's going to be a costly player for us either, but as a squad player ideally.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the higher earners.

Nothing against him at all but on balance I would prefer him to go tbh as he'll be blocking progress for the younger squad members who'll be on 50% or less wages. If he's here, Ince has shown he would likely select him over the more inexperienced lads, and I don't think that's the way we need to be going.

[Snowflake Royal]

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

I think he has mentioned himself that he'd like to finish his career in Canada, whether he sees this as a good opportunity for him being out of contract or not who knows.

For continuity it's probably worth another 12 months, it's not like he's going to be a costly player for us either, but as a squad player ideally.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the higher earners.

Nothing against him at all but on balance I would prefer him to go tbh as he'll be blocking progress for the younger squad members who'll be on 50% or less wages. If he's here, Ince has shown he would likely select him over the more inexperienced lads, and I don't think that's the way we need to be going.

But if he goes he's probably being replaced which probably means a bigger blocker to the younger players.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

I think he has mentioned himself that he'd like to finish his career in Canada, whether he sees this as a good opportunity for him being out of contract or not who knows.

For continuity it's probably worth another 12 months, it's not like he's going to be a costly player for us either, but as a squad player ideally.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the higher earners.

Nothing against him at all but on balance I would prefer him to go tbh as he'll be blocking progress for the younger squad members who'll be on 50% or less wages. If he's here, Ince has shown he would likely select him over the more inexperienced lads, and I don't think that's the way we need to be going.

I doubt he will be one of our higher earners given he was signed under restrictions, even if he was his wages aren't going to be ludicrous so maybe we could get away with offering him something similar, if not slightly less given his age.

If Ince is to follow his own comments and we are to go to a 4-2-3-1, then he'd be useful to keep on for that purpose as a squad player for the wider areas. At the end of the day, whether we keep him or we don't, we'd probably sign somebody else who might provide a block to younger players and we've still got Yiadom, so their pathway isn't entirely clear unless Abrefa does enough to prove he is worthy of being a first team player between now and the end of the summer.

[South Coast Royal]

Win one or more of our next two games and Ince then has a great opportunity to look at promising youngsters over many more games than the usual 2 or 3 at the end of a season which is the norm.
It is a very big step up from the U23s and we need to see players starting games and playing for 70 minutes or so rather than the token 10 minutes at the end of games when very little is learned.

At the moment I haven't seen enough of Abrefa, Craig and so on to have a view on whether they can make the big step up.
In recent years we have only really seen Holmes, McIntyre and a bit of Azeez (plus the greatly missed Olise of course) of players being capable of playing in the Championship with "promising" types like Tetek, Camara, Clark, Ebha etc really not showing enough, nor having the opportunity (when fit) to show how good they might be, to indicate that they have a future at our level..

It probably won't happen and Ince will stick with the old pros to try and get the highest finishing position possible which would reflect well on him but for the longer term future there is a wonderful opportunity to test the aspirants in real match conditions.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Richards as well to add to that list but it's notable that the manager will dictate whether they want to trust youth or not, where Pauno was very much keen to do such things but Ince seems a bit more reluctant even though the situation is of course a lot different these days.

I'd like to see Abrefa, Craig and others given an opportunity as well when it comes to it and get some decent minutes under their belts to prove their worth.

[Snowflake Royal]

I've seen enough from Camara, John Clarke and Abrefa to warrant more opportunities.

All of them would be worth some emd of season starts and plenty of sub chances

[Stranded]

I'm not sure there is a "back" for Hoilett - he's been living in Europe for 20 years, I'm guessing his parents probably moved over with their teenage children. Son has only known England. Could be wrong though - certainy can see the attraction in the MLS.

I think he has mentioned himself that he'd like to finish his career in Canada, whether he sees this as a good opportunity for him being out of contract or not who knows.

For continuity it's probably worth another 12 months, it's not like he's going to be a costly player for us either, but as a squad player ideally.

I'd have thought he'd be one of the higher earners.

Nothing against him at all but on balance I would prefer him to go tbh as he'll be blocking progress for the younger squad members who'll be on 50% or less wages. If he's here, Ince has shown he would likely select him over the more inexperienced lads, and I don't think that's the way we need to be going.

Whilst I have lots of time for the blocking youngsters argument, we also simply shouldn't be shifting next year from a team of experienced heads to a team of relatively untested younger players - not saying Hoilett should be one of the experienced we keep but there needs to be a balance.