Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 17 Jul 2011 19:37

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Svlad Cjelli I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!


Then he needs to be sold sharpish. The worst outcome would be as with Siggy going right at the end of August. Presumably the club have forwards in mind to replace him but these transfer dealings have a habit of dragging on. Long needs to go and his replacement in ASAP.


Agreed - but the emphasis really ought to be on him being bought quickly by someone, rather than being sold quickly. Our end of the chain is reconciled to the sale and all ready to go.....

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Northern Git » 17 Jul 2011 19:48

Svlad Cjelli I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!


McDermott yes, his fellow players yes, us the fans yes, probably even Long himself, but I rather suspect others at the top of the club just see £ signs along side his name now

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by Victor Meldrew » 17 Jul 2011 19:58

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Svlad Cjelli I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!


McDermott yes, his fellow players yes, us the fans yes, probably even Long himself, but I rather suspect others at the top of the club just see £ signs along side his name now


Do you really think Long wants to stay?
I thought he said enough times last season that he was desperate to play in the Premier League and the inference was with or without RFC.
I'm with Svlad and Pearcey in that it is in the best interests of the club to get the deal done quickly and obviously the crazy figure of £10 million would have to be reduced to much nearer the £3million that Watford got for their very good striker,Graham.
If Long doesn't get his move I could see him being discontented and that is not what we want at our club.

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by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 17 Jul 2011 19:58

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Svlad Cjelli I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!


McDermott yes, his fellow players yes, us the fans yes, probably even Long himself, but I rather suspect others at the top of the club just see £ signs along side his name now

Oh come on. The club would love Long to sign a new contract and stay. Any notion we'd be selling players to top division clubs against their will is ridiculous.

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by Z175 » 17 Jul 2011 20:09

I think our dealings drag on while we squeeze every penny. One of the reasons hammond gets exhorbitant fees is wearing others down. The problem is selling Long for 8m now would possibly be better than losing him for say 10m on 31 August, then again, gylfis goal v leicester saw us into the playoffs.

On long being worth 3m give me a break. Graham went on the cheap because watford needed cash quickly, he is a great finisher but has nothing else to his game, he is not an international and he has spent only two seasons in the second tier. For sure its a crazy market compared to the outside world. You could argue realistically no championship player is worth more than a few grand as far as they will contribute in a return. But in the current market Longs age, experience, ability, international record, pace and some 25 goals make him worth more than Graham, and his value to Reading getting the 60m premiership price means that 3m would rightly be scorned.

I'm glad it wasnt VM who sold Mills, did you used to be the chairman of bristol rovers? Thanks for cureton!


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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Ian Royal » 17 Jul 2011 20:13

I still reckon there's a small chance Long'll stay. Call it an 8 in 10 chance of him being off.

Agree if he's going to go it has to be asap. Expect it to be about 12 August.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 17 Jul 2011 20:27

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Svlad Cjelli I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!


McDermott yes, his fellow players yes, us the fans yes, probably even Long himself, but I rather suspect others at the top of the club just see £ signs along side his name now


There's no polite way to say that you have got that completely and utterly wrong.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Northern Git » 17 Jul 2011 21:01

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Svlad Cjelli I can't see any possible way that that Long will stay with us. The club would love him to, but it just ain't gonna happen!


McDermott yes, his fellow players yes, us the fans yes, probably even Long himself, but I rather suspect others at the top of the club just see £ signs along side his name now


There's no polite way to say that you have got that completely and utterly wrong.


You dont have to be polite mate, its just the way I feel it is. Are you really telling me an offer (at or about his value) will be turned down? Wish I had your faith, and will be happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong if (when) any such offer is turned down and the club issue a statement he is not for sale as we are building the team round him.

Opps sorry just re read your post - did you mean that the bit about McDermott, fellow players (OK perhaps not Church), us fans or Long himself was incorrect? :wink:

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Cypry » 17 Jul 2011 22:14

Northern Git You dont have to be polite mate, its just the way I feel it is. Are you really telling me an offer (at or about his value) will be turned down? Wish I had your faith, and will be happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong if (when) any such offer is turned down and the club issue a statement he is not for sale as we are building the team round him.

Opps sorry just re read your post - did you mean that the bit about McDermott, fellow players (OK perhaps not Church), us fans or Long himself was incorrect? :wink:


Thing is it's not about RFC deciding to sell, it's about clubs wanting to buy and making offers at, or above, a value that the club will have in their heads for the player....
Put yourself in the clubs shoes for a moment. Let's say a club, perhaps Newcastle, comes along and offers £8M for Long - for a striker that's done the business for only the last six months or so that's very strong money - so what do the club do?
Long's made no secret of the fact he'd love to play in the PL, and it's not like he won't be aware of the offer - all that has to happen is someone from NUFC drop his agent a text, the message will get through.
So what do you propose the club do? Turn down the offer out of hand? Given that he wants to play in the PL that could lead to a very unhappy player, and I suspect an unhappy Long would be unlikely to produce the goods on the pitch given that one of his key strengths is his work rate.
The only other option is to put the offer to the player, at which point the matter is pretty much out of the clubs hands - it's Longs decision to make, does he want to play in the PL, or stick with Reading for a while and take a chance on us?

A lot of people on here seem to think that Reading treat players as commodities, to be bought and sold at will - I don't believe that's the way it works at all, the players definitely have a say in what happens, at least they do while they're under contract....


Has anyone considered that the reason that McD seemed so pissed off after the Mills transfer might have been because Mills himself took the decision to go? Despite interest from other clubs Mills had verbally indicated that he intended to stay at Reading, Ingi and Kish were allowed to go (I guess with McD assuming he'd have Mills in the squad) then McD gets the news that Mills is off..... If Mills had indicated to me that he planned to stay, and I'd made some key decisions based on that, then he upped and left, I'd probably be a bit miffed.....

At the end of the day, most of what you see on here is hearsay and supposition - very few, if any on here have any idea what goes on behind closed doors at the club, however, one thing is certain; RFC is a business and is governed by business law - that means that the annual accounts have to be accurate, and they show that SJM hasn't taken any money out of the club whatsoever recently - anyone adopting a "where's the money gone" or "SJM is asset stripping the club" attitude really needs to grow up and live in the real World......


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by Royal Rother » 17 Jul 2011 22:33

Good post!

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by AthleticoSpizz » 17 Jul 2011 22:44

agreed

top post and well presented Cypry


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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 17 Jul 2011 22:48

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Northern Git McDermott yes, his fellow players yes, us the fans yes, probably even Long himself, but I rather suspect others at the top of the club just see £ signs along side his name now


There's no polite way to say that you have got that completely and utterly wrong.


You dont have to be polite mate, its just the way I feel it is. Are you really telling me an offer (at or about his value) will be turned down? Wish I had your faith, and will be happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong if (when) any such offer is turned down and the club issue a statement he is not for sale as we are building the team round him.

Opps sorry just re read your post - did you mean that the bit about McDermott, fellow players (OK perhaps not Church), us fans or Long himself was incorrect? :wink:


I'm telling you that just about everyone in the club doesn't want him to leave, includinbg those who hold the purse-strings. But they're reconciled to the fact that he will be leaving, because there is on significant person at the club who does want him to leave - his initials are SL and he has the decisive vote.

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by Ian Royal » 17 Jul 2011 23:56

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There's no polite way to say that you have got that completely and utterly wrong.


You dont have to be polite mate, its just the way I feel it is. Are you really telling me an offer (at or about his value) will be turned down? Wish I had your faith, and will be happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong if (when) any such offer is turned down and the club issue a statement he is not for sale as we are building the team round him.

Opps sorry just re read your post - did you mean that the bit about McDermott, fellow players (OK perhaps not Church), us fans or Long himself was incorrect? :wink:


I'm telling you that just about everyone in the club doesn't want him to leave, includinbg those who hold the purse-strings. But they're reconciled to the fact that he will be leaving, because there is on significant person at the club who does want him to leave - his initials are SL and he has the decisive vote.


He'd be bonkers not to go if a decent deal comes in. I'm not yet 100% convinced that deal will come though. And in fairness to Shane, I think he'll knuckle down and get on with it until it does, or it is doesn't.


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by Big Ern » 18 Jul 2011 03:48

PEARCEY If we keep Long it would be a real boost for the start of the season. The worst outcome would be Long going just as the transfer window closes. Whether there would be time to bring in a decent replacement in time would be my concern. If Long's going to go let it be very soon.


Long going just before the window closes would be ideal for the club as it would give them an excuse not to spend the money and by the time the transfer window opens again in Jan the fans will have forgotten all about it and will already be back kissing SJM's arse.

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by brendywendy » 18 Jul 2011 10:03

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Northern Git You dont have to be polite mate, its just the way I feel it is. Are you really telling me an offer (at or about his value) will be turned down? Wish I had your faith, and will be happy to hold my hands up and say I was wrong if (when) any such offer is turned down and the club issue a statement he is not for sale as we are building the team round him.

Opps sorry just re read your post - did you mean that the bit about McDermott, fellow players (OK perhaps not Church), us fans or Long himself was incorrect? :wink:


I'm telling you that just about everyone in the club doesn't want him to leave, includinbg those who hold the purse-strings. But they're reconciled to the fact that he will be leaving, because there is on significant person at the club who does want him to leave - his initials are SL and he has the decisive vote.


He'd be bonkers not to go if a decent deal comes in. I'm not yet 100% convinced that deal will come though. And in fairness to Shane, I think he'll knuckle down and get on with it until it does, or it is doesn't.



agreed- hes definitely a sidwell/doyle, & not a hunt/shorey

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by Hoop Blah » 18 Jul 2011 10:51

You'd certainly hope he is, especially with his relationship with McDermott being so strong.

Would you have said the same about Hunt before he seemed to throw his toys out? He owed the club a lot for his rags to riches tale and supposedly had a really good relationship with Coppell (hence his signing for us).

Long seems pretty level headed most of the time but he has shown his petulant side at times, and he did have his little moment basically being critical of the stick he was getting before Christmas. It might not be a case of throwing his toys out, more just a 5/10% drop in motivation which can have a massive impact at this level (I don't think Hunt really meant to go out and be as shit as he was but when he didn't have a point to prove or a contract/transfer to win he slacked off).

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by brendywendy » 18 Jul 2011 10:58

a base it purely on his super proffessional behaviour this window.
not agitating for a move, head down, training hard, getting on with his job, and what happens will happen etc.

i dont think thatll change if he stays.(not that this will happen)

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by Z175 » 18 Jul 2011 11:20

Can he make in the prem though? Hes such a confidence player and needed Brian to burst into brilliance in my opinion. At a new club with the pressure of a high fee it might not come off for him.

With this in mind I suggest we offer him to the best club possible for a smaller fee so we can loan him back in January.

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by Wimb » 18 Jul 2011 11:23

Z175 Can he make in the prem though? Hes such a confidence player and needed Brian to burst into brilliance in my opinion. At a new club with the pressure of a high fee it might not come off for him.

With this in mind I suggest we offer him to the best club possible for a smaller fee so we can loan him back in January.


Did he need Brian though?

Long had a purple patch under Coppell at the end of 08/09 and while it's true that Brian's been a great influence on him but I don't know if he needs that to succeed.

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by Ian Royal » 18 Jul 2011 11:58

Hoop Blah You'd certainly hope he is, especially with his relationship with McDermott being so strong.

Would you have said the same about Hunt before he seemed to throw his toys out? He owed the club a lot for his rags to riches tale and supposedly had a really good relationship with Coppell (hence his signing for us).

Long seems pretty level headed most of the time but he has shown his petulant side at times, and he did have his little moment basically being critical of the stick he was getting before Christmas. It might not be a case of throwing his toys out, more just a 5/10% drop in motivation which can have a massive impact at this level (I don't think Hunt really meant to go out and be as shit as he was but when he didn't have a point to prove or a contract/transfer to win he slacked off).


Hunt was always an arrogant, gullible, stupid little shite. You can't blame him as much as Shorey, for being played by his agent. Shorey on the other hand never came across as particularly thick or gullible and I don't get the feeling he was being played by his agent.

I don't think Long's as stupid, gullible or arrogant as Hunt.

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