Loanwatch 09-10

[Ian Royal]

The interesting thing about Henry is that he was not allowed to play but Scott Davies and Antonio were. That seems to show that he is closer to a recall than the others are. I noticed McCarthy didn't play either. Did Anderson? I don't think Mooney played either but that may be because he wasn't selected....

Henry is probably ahead of Antonio. Davies is primarily a central midfielder where we have plenty of cover, although I believe he can play on the right. Whereas Henry is an actual winger and we're a little light on numbers and quality in depth there.

[Wycombe Royal]

Nice to see Harper is winning the Blades fans over....

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15509

Sound familiar:

All I ve seen him do so far is waive his arms around and shout a lot. Need to see so much more from him.

[I was there at Elm Park]

Nice to see Harper is winning the Blades fans over....

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15509

Sound familiar:

All I ve seen him do so far is waive his arms around and shout a lot. Need to see so much more from him.

Well if the consensus was that Howard didn't fit in with their style of football then you have to wonder what hope Harper has.

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

Nice to see Harper is winning the Blades fans over....

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15509

Sound familiar:

All I ve seen him do so far is waive his arms around and shout a lot. Need to see so much more from him.

I forgot he was playing last night. Did nothing. There's some shocking teams at this level.

[Victor Meldrew]

Nice to see Harper is winning the Blades fans over....

http://www.sheff-utd.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15509

Sound familiar:

All I ve seen him do so far is waive his arms around and shout a lot. Need to see so much more from him.

I forgot he was playing last night. Did nothing. There's some shocking teams at this level.

That's why I said under another topic that The Premiership is the only place to be-the rest is mainly dross and that unfortunately includes RFC.

[Ian Royal]

Football doesn't end in the Prem, there's plenty of dross there as well.

The prem is a great place to visit, but I'm not especially keen to be there permanently until things get more senisble and realistic.

[The whole year inn]

I can see Dillon taking a couple of RFC players to Aldershot

[rhroyal]

Football doesn't end in the Prem, there's plenty of dross there as well.

The prem is a great place to visit, but I'm not especially keen to be there permanently until things get more senisble and realistic.

With all the debt of it and the unsustainable nature of business up there, I can't help but feel that some sort of change in that respect is around the corner, whether by intervention or pure market forces leading to a crash.

[Ryn]

Football doesn't end in the Prem, there's plenty of dross there as well.

The prem is a great place to visit, but I'm not especially keen to be there permanently until things get more senisble and realistic.

With all the debt of it and the unsustainable nature of business up there, I can't help but feel that some sort of change in that respect is around the corner, whether by intervention or pure market forces leading to a crash.

Valid, it's unsustainable.

[BR2]

People have been saying this sort of thing ever since The Premiership was created.
Ideally a couple of clubs would go to the wall although that might only let in Rangers and Celtic so more ideally the TV companies get together and agree to reduce what they pay by 75%.

I think the biggest problem in our football is that there are far too many professional clubs and the clubs are also too tribal.
Some time in the future I can see there being something like 16 professional clubs with 100,000 plus seater stadia (a bit like with American football)and mergers such as Brentford,Aldershot,Reading,Swindon and Oxford,the two Bristol clubs plus Exeter and Plymouth ,Southampton,Bournemouth and Portsmouth etc.

For the moment I am still suffering from the relegation hangover and don't like what I get to see on Saturdays and going back to the topic of loans I don't think they should exist-the original idea was to cover serious injury problems but I think it now just papers over cracks at the receiving clubs and means that the big clubs can afford to take on loads of players,much more than they actually need.

[Vision]

People have been saying this sort of thing ever since The Premiership was created.
Ideally a couple of clubs would go to the wall although that might only let in Rangers and Celtic so more ideally the TV companies get together and agree to reduce what they pay by 75%.

I think the biggest problem in our football is that there are far too many professional clubs and the clubs are also too tribal.
Some time in the future I can see there being something like 16 professional clubs with 100,000 plus seater stadia (a bit like with American football)and mergers such as Brentford,Aldershot,Reading,Swindon and Oxford,the two Bristol clubs plus Exeter and Plymouth ,Southampton,Bournemouth and Portsmouth etc.

For the moment I am still suffering from the relegation hangover and don't like what I get to see on Saturdays and going back to the topic of loans I don't think they should exist-the original idea was to cover serious injury problems but I think it now just papers over cracks at the receiving clubs and means that the big clubs can afford to take on loads of players,much more than they actually need.

I think its the sheer tribal nature of football that dictates what you suggest won't ever happen, or certainly not to the extent you're suggesting.

Totally agree about the loan system. It'd be great if coaching and managing what you have and concentrating on team-building actually became fashionable again.

[BR2]

People have been saying this sort of thing ever since The Premiership was created.
Ideally a couple of clubs would go to the wall although that might only let in Rangers and Celtic so more ideally the TV companies get together and agree to reduce what they pay by 75%.

I think the biggest problem in our football is that there are far too many professional clubs and the clubs are also too tribal.
Some time in the future I can see there being something like 16 professional clubs with 100,000 plus seater stadia (a bit like with American football)and mergers such as Brentford,Aldershot,Reading,Swindon and Oxford,the two Bristol clubs plus Exeter and Plymouth ,Southampton,Bournemouth and Portsmouth etc.

For the moment I am still suffering from the relegation hangover and don't like what I get to see on Saturdays and going back to the topic of loans I don't think they should exist-the original idea was to cover serious injury problems but I think it now just papers over cracks at the receiving clubs and means that the big clubs can afford to take on loads of players,much more than they actually need.

I think its the sheer tribal nature of football that dictates what you suggest won't ever happen, or certainly not to the extent you're suggesting.

Totally agree about the loan system. It'd be great if coaching and managing what you have and concentrating on team-building actually became fashionable again.

Not in my lifetime Vision but as I see it with people moving around so much more and sometimes they pick a club to follow or their kids grow up in a different area ,the tribal aspect might reduce.
The other day I was talking to a mate who has followed Pompey forever and he lives about 30 miles from the ground.
He let his season ticket go a few years ago and can't get another-believe it or not they are like gold-dust.
So recently he has taken his grand-children to Bournemouth where it is easy to get in.
Those kids might well grow up to support Bournemouth because that is where they live.

For my kids and grand-children it has always been Reading or nothing apart from my son who now sees Reading as his second club after moving on to Chelsea when Kerry Dixon went there.
Likewise my RFC mate from Gillingham-when he can no longer get to Reading games his grandson will probably switch loyalties to Gills because there would be no ongoing family link to Reading.
So as I see it the tribalism may well reduce.

Glad to see that we agree on something for a change regarding the loan system.

[rhroyal]

But however far triabalism falls, the fans of the club at the time will fight tooth and nail to keep their club running by itself. If all these mergers happen then 15-20 years later we could have an entire new generation of "fan clubs" such as AFC Wimbledon and in fact Aldershot Town in the lower leagues.

[Vision]

Going completely off topic here (what's new) but I wonder what the future would hold if fans trusts start taking control of football clubs. BR's prediction may come true in a sense in that the multi millionaires will individually own the bigger clubs (whatever that means) whilst fans groups are left to operate on a smaller scale (possibly semi-pro/part time) in order to keep their clubs alive.

What would be interesting is what the fans expectations and preference would be for. If we could own our own club but not be able to compete in the top two tiers financially, would that more acceptavble that being a millionaires plaything yet reaching the heights of top tier football and all it entails.

Looking at the recent announcements of Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle fans groups I wonder what their view and subsequent expectaions would be if they ever did gain control.

[(.)Boobies(.)]

I apologise if mentioned by anyone else already, but Alan Pardew alledgedly wants to secure the services of Michail Antonio for the rest of the season, and beyond. Fans and manager alike have been very impressed with the young lad.

[Dirk Gently]

Looking at the recent announcements of Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle fans groups I wonder what their view and subsequent expectaions would be if they ever did gain control.

What is more relevant are the proposals Gartside of Bolton is going to put to the Premier League meeting this week. This is for Premier League 2, which would include Celtic and Rangers and would have NO relegation. Also, it's unlikely that the 38 English clubs included would be the top 38 by league position - expect Leeds, Norwich & Charlton to be invited, and Blackpool dumped out with the "have-nots".

The natural response is to say "relax, it'll never happen" but i can see some good reasons that this one will happen. Be afraid for the future of football - be very afraid!

[I was there at Elm Park]

Looking at the recent announcements of Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle fans groups I wonder what their view and subsequent expectaions would be if they ever did gain control.

What is more relevant are the proposals Gartside of Bolton is going to put to the Premier League meeting this week. This is for Premier League 2, which would include Celtic and Rangers and would have NO relegation. Also, it's unlikely that the 38 English clubs included would be the top 38 by league position - expect Leeds, Norwich & Charlton to be invited, and Blackpool dumped out with the "have-nots".

The natural response is to say "relax, it'll never happen" but i can see some good reasons that this one will happen. Be afraid for the future of football - be very afraid!

According to BBC Sport:
However, Gartside, the driving force behind the revamp, has tweaked the original plans to include promotion and relegation to and from the dual-tier league, while the two Scottish clubs would initially be invited to join the lower tier.

[Dirk Gently]

Looking at the recent announcements of Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle fans groups I wonder what their view and subsequent expectaions would be if they ever did gain control.

What is more relevant are the proposals Gartside of Bolton is going to put to the Premier League meeting this week. This is for Premier League 2, which would include Celtic and Rangers and would have NO relegation. Also, it's unlikely that the 38 English clubs included would be the top 38 by league position - expect Leeds, Norwich & Charlton to be invited, and Blackpool dumped out with the "have-nots".

The natural response is to say "relax, it'll never happen" but i can see some good reasons that this one will happen. Be afraid for the future of football - be very afraid!

According to BBC Sport:
However, Gartside, the driving force behind the revamp, has tweaked the original plans to include promotion and relegation to and from the dual-tier league, while the two Scottish clubs would initially be invited to join the lower tier.

Possibly - but only for one club if it does happen, and I've heard that there would be very stsrict ground-grading so that all but the favoured elite wouldn't get in.

[BR2]

Going completely off topic here (what's new) but I wonder what the future would hold if fans trusts start taking control of football clubs. BR's prediction may come true in a sense in that the multi millionaires will individually own the bigger clubs (whatever that means) whilst fans groups are left to operate on a smaller scale (possibly semi-pro/part time) in order to keep their clubs alive.

What would be interesting is what the fans expectations and preference would be for. If we could own our own club but not be able to compete in the top two tiers financially, would that more acceptavble that being a millionaires plaything yet reaching the heights of top tier football and all it entails.

Looking at the recent announcements of Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle fans groups I wonder what their view and subsequent expectaions would be if they ever did gain control.

Not sure what has happened at Ebbsfleet (they were the club bought by the fans weren't they?)but a lot of thought would have to be given to rules,voting rights etc.especially defining the role and powers of the coach.
Historically professional clubs were always run by a local businessman and a board of directors so the format has hardly changed over the past 140 years or so other than for" local businessman" read "wealthy foreign owner "at the top level.
Barcelona purports to be a fans (or members) club and it does appear that fans' views are listened to much more than over here and there are presidential elections giving the fans the chance to voice their approval for change at the top if they feel it necessary whereas here the whims of owners and chairmen dictate what happens with normally very little attention paid to fans' feelings.
We are however talking of England where the status quo takes a lot of shifting but with what's happening at Rangers and Newcastle we may see changes to the running of clubs and more fan power-after all British clubs existed long before Messrs Murray,Ashley and Mad came along and will still be in existence in some form long after they are dead.

[Vision]

Going completely off topic here (what's new) but I wonder what the future would hold if fans trusts start taking control of football clubs. BR's prediction may come true in a sense in that the multi millionaires will individually own the bigger clubs (whatever that means) whilst fans groups are left to operate on a smaller scale (possibly semi-pro/part time) in order to keep their clubs alive.

What would be interesting is what the fans expectations and preference would be for. If we could own our own club but not be able to compete in the top two tiers financially, would that more acceptavble that being a millionaires plaything yet reaching the heights of top tier football and all it entails.

Looking at the recent announcements of Glasgow Rangers and Newcastle fans groups I wonder what their view and subsequent expectaions would be if they ever did gain control.

Not sure what has happened at Ebbsfleet (they were the club bought by the fans weren't they?)but a lot of thought would have to be given to rules,voting rights etc.especially defining the role and powers of the coach.
Historically professional clubs were always run by a local businessman and a board of directors so the format has hardly changed over the past 140 years or so other than for" local businessman" read "wealthy foreign owner "at the top level.
Barcelona purports to be a fans (or members) club and it does appear that fans' views are listened to much more than over here and there are presidential elections giving the fans the chance to voice their approval for change at the top if they feel it necessary whereas here the whims of owners and chairmen dictate what happens with normally very little attention paid to fans' feelings.
We are however talking of England where the status quo takes a lot of shifting but with what's happening at Rangers and Newcastle we may see changes to the running of clubs and more fan power-after all British clubs existed long before Messrs Murray,Ashley and Mad came along and will still be in existence in some form long after they are dead.

I think its the "in some form" bit which is interesting to me and why I asked the question. So far it's the likes of Bournemouth (as you'd know better than me) Stockport and the like that have been taken over by fans. I do wonder if clubs of the undoubted size and stature of Rangers and Newcastle were to follow suit exactly what the expectations of those fans would be.

Again I'm no expert on the Spanish presidential system but it seems to me outwardly at least that the president elected is the one who promises the most money for transfers .