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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by genome » 28 Oct 2020 19:22

Surely outperforming xG just means you're a quality side. Your strikers are clinical, your defence is solid.

And why is no-one making the argument that the side can also go the other way and improve their xG stat?

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by windermereROYAL » 28 Oct 2020 19:34

Olise getting plenty of praise on the Blackburn forum. how much longer is his contract?

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by TiagoIlori » 28 Oct 2020 19:45

genome Surely outperforming xG just means you're a quality side. Your strikers are clinical, your defence is solid.

And why is no-one making the argument that the side can also go the other way and improve their xG stat?

Because the type of sides/players that can consistently outperform their xG tend to be world class.

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by Stranded » 28 Oct 2020 19:49

windermereROYAL Olise getting plenty of praise on the Blackburn forum. how much longer is his contract?


Summer '22 I think.

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by windermereROYAL » 28 Oct 2020 20:14

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windermereROYAL Olise getting plenty of praise on the Blackburn forum. how much longer is his contract?


Summer '22 I think.


Looks like the big clubs might come sniffing around next summer, with only a year to go you would think we need to tie him down to a new contract or cash in, and he won`t come cheap.


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by Snowball » 28 Oct 2020 20:18

Back in the day Liverpool were great at tight defence and winning 0-1, as were Revie's Leeds
and Arsenal did it so often they had a chance one-nil to the Arsenal

Pretty sure all three teams would have been low-rated on xG

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by Ascotexgunner » 28 Oct 2020 20:32

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windermereROYAL Olise getting plenty of praise on the Blackburn forum. how much longer is his contract?


Summer '22 I think.


Looks like the big clubs might come sniffing around next summer, with only a year to go you would think we need to tie him down to a new contract or cash in, and he won`t come cheap.


Newcastle have been sniffing around him and Liam Moore according to the local rag.

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by Snowflake Royal » 28 Oct 2020 20:36

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genome Surely outperforming xG just means you're a quality side. Your strikers are clinical, your defence is solid.

And why is no-one making the argument that the side can also go the other way and improve their xG stat?

Because the type of sides/players that can consistently outperform their xG tend to be world class.

Good news for us seeing as we've consistently done it over at least one season in recent years.

World class. I like that.

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by Simmops » 28 Oct 2020 20:37

Snowball Back in the day Liverpool were great at tight defence and winning 0-1, as were Revie's Leeds
and Arsenal did it so often they had a chance one-nil to the Arsenal

Pretty sure all three teams would have been low-rated on xG


What is the purpose of xG? It doesn't show or mean anything


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by From Despair To Where? » 28 Oct 2020 21:00

TiagoIlori You can’t just dismiss a stat because you don’t like what it’s saying, it’s been proven to be fairly accurate in reflecting how the team is doing in terms of chances. As long as you understand what it shows and it’s limitations then you can use that stat the way it’s supposed to be used.

You obviously can’t judge a team completely based on that stat alone.


I'm not disagreeing, I don't like it but that is less about the stat itself and more about it being used far too often as the golden stat that explains all. Its part of the argument, not the whole argument and, like most stats, in isolation and without context, is pretty meaningless. Its the VAR of stats, avsolutely fine if kept out of the hands of idiots.

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by Ascotexgunner » 28 Oct 2020 21:08

After reading the Forest forum pretty glad we f*cked them over last season.....laughing even more now they are losing at Luton. So up their own arses at that club. Love to see them and Derby go down.

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by TiagoIlori » 28 Oct 2020 21:10

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TiagoIlori You can’t just dismiss a stat because you don’t like what it’s saying, it’s been proven to be fairly accurate in reflecting how the team is doing in terms of chances. As long as you understand what it shows and it’s limitations then you can use that stat the way it’s supposed to be used.

You obviously can’t judge a team completely based on that stat alone.


I'm not disagreeing, I don't like it but that is less about the stat itself and more about it being used far too often as the golden stat that explains all. Its part of the argument, not the whole argument and, like most stats, in isolation and without context, is pretty meaningless. Its the VAR of stats, avsolutely fine if kept out of the hands of idiots.

I wasn’t aiming it at you as you seemed to have a reasonable opinion on xG, I do agree with what you’re saying though. You’ve got to understand it’s limitations and what it’s meant to be used for before you apply it to anything

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by WoodleyRoyal » 28 Oct 2020 21:11

Ascotexgunner After reading the Forest forum pretty glad we f*cked them over last season.....laughing even more now they are losing at Luton. So up their own arses at that club. Love to see them and Derby go down.


Yes there self entitlement is up there with the very best of them. oxf*rd em. And derby going down too would just be :shock: can’t see that happening. Forrest on the other hand....


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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by genome » 28 Oct 2020 21:17

It'll be interesting to see our xG when we go behind. I'd guess that teams who chase games or are invited onto their opponents are likely to have a higher xG. On the whole we've stayed patient in games and when we've grabbed leads we haven't exactly felt the need to go gung-ho. That's the nuance that xG completely misses.

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by SouthDownsRoyal » 28 Oct 2020 21:19

genome Surgical insight over on the Swansea forum

Are they genuine contenders, or will they blow up.

Thoughts?


Who knows



LOL

Anyway, what does the E stand for in EFL?

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by WoodleyRoyal » 28 Oct 2020 21:21

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genome Surgical insight over on the Swansea forum

Are they genuine contenders, or will they blow up.

Thoughts?


Who knows



LOL

Anyway, what does the E stand for in EFL?


Ejarias’ ?

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by SouthDownsRoyal » 28 Oct 2020 21:22

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Pepe the Horseman Ya man Gabriel Sutton is a perfect example of this. He was saying after the first few games that despite the results Reading's performances weren't impressing him. Someone questioned whether he'd actually watched the games, and he admitted he hadn't :|


Good grief, how would you even have the confidence to open your mouth..... :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:


I have absolutey no idea who Gabriel Sutton is or whether his opinion matters but a brief Google search suggests he's a bedwetting nonce magnet.


:mrgreen:

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by SouthDownsRoyal » 28 Oct 2020 21:31

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genome Surgical insight over on the Swansea forum






LOL

Anyway, what does the E stand for in EFL?


Ejarias’ ?


No

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by Nameless » 28 Oct 2020 21:41

If the description given on the Tilehurst End of Xg is accurate it isn’t a stat. It’s a subjective opinion wrapped up in smoke and mirrors to make it look meaningful.

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Re: Opposition fans back from the game

by tidus_mi2 » 28 Oct 2020 21:41

Would be interesting if Derby went down, I don't think they've been in the third tier in my lifetime.

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