by AirRaidSiren » 01 Jan 2013 01:51
by Ian Royal » 01 Jan 2013 12:12
by Victor Meldrew » 01 Jan 2013 12:25
by Royalclapper » 01 Jan 2013 12:32
by Royal Lady » 02 Jan 2013 13:34
by Maguire » 02 Jan 2013 13:47
cmonurzMaguiresandman Just lol at people suggesting a former scout doesn't do his homework. Do you people actually read back your posts? You get more ridiculous by the week. As for him doing what you've ''been calling for for weeks'' you all screamed blue murder earlier in the season
when he played 451 and called for 442 as it was ''what we're good at''. Listen to you? I bloody well hope not.
100% truth.
Ironic that sandman suggests we should read back our posts, and then makes an inaccurate generalisation about 'all of us'.
Many on here have been advocating for most of the season approaching games with a few strategies in mind, including where it might be beneficial to us, adopting a 451.
by melonhead » 02 Jan 2013 14:07
Ian Royal Right, he's started playing the right formation. He's started playing Pearce and Guthrie. He's made us difficult to beat. He's got improved performances and results. It's about a month and a half too late, but it's what I was looking for him to do, so he's got my support for the season now. Even if it goes straight back to shit, by the time that's clear it'll be too late to really make a change of manager worthwhile. Transfer window will be closed and we'll be totally doomed pointswise.
Good luck Brian, keep up the sort of work from the last week please.
by Hoop Blah » 02 Jan 2013 14:21
Maguire Actual ROFL at this non-speak.
You're all football geniuses in hindsight, aren't you? I've had the misfortune of reading this forum all season and people only started clamouring for 4-5-1 when we began losing games playing 4-4-2. That's how it works on here.
As I said with the Guthrie thing - he's the messiah until he gets back in the side then people realise he's not actually Pele and so the wheel gets turned once more.
by RedRum » 02 Jan 2013 14:26
melonheadIan Royal Right, he's started playing the right formation. He's started playing Pearce and Guthrie. He's made us difficult to beat. He's got improved performances and results. It's about a month and a half too late, but it's what I was looking for him to do, so he's got my support for the season now. Even if it goes straight back to shit, by the time that's clear it'll be too late to really make a change of manager worthwhile. Transfer window will be closed and we'll be totally doomed pointswise.
Good luck Brian, keep up the sort of work from the last week please.
is that the month and a half where we got alot of injuries and didnt have the players left to change formation
by cmonurz » 02 Jan 2013 14:38
Hoop BlahMaguire Actual ROFL at this non-speak.
You're all football geniuses in hindsight, aren't you? I've had the misfortune of reading this forum all season and people only started clamouring for 4-5-1 when we began losing games playing 4-4-2. That's how it works on here.
As I said with the Guthrie thing - he's the messiah until he gets back in the side then people realise he's not actually Pele and so the wheel gets turned once more.
It's not surprising people weren't calling for change for the first month of the season as we were a) bedding into the new league and integrating new players, b) being a bit more flexible tactically and playing 4-5-1 at times and c) playing a bit better than after McDermott ditched the flexibility and reverted back to 4-4-2 and a more direct style of play which also saw the continued run of poor form and bad results.
There's always a number of people that don't see 4-5-1 as an attacking formation too though, so it's not the most popular to play at home without there being a degree of criticism.
Personally, going into the season, I thought McDermotts work in the transfer window was going to see us be a bit more flexible and play a more passing game (why else bring in Guthrie and Pogrebnyak) which was more suited to the league than our whack it and hope Championship style that gave the ball away far too often (I'm sure I moaned enough about this last season for it to in the archives somewhere!).
As we only played 5 league games before October I don't think it's too surprising that posters weren't jumping on the anti 4-4-2 bandwagon too vociferously.
by Hoop Blah » 02 Jan 2013 14:47
RedRummelonhead is that the month and a half where we got alot of injuries and didnt have the players left to change formation
+1. The only midfielders we had available were Ledge and Tabb. IMO he only had 1 option, to play 4-4-2.. and basically just hope we score more than the opposition.
by Maguire » 02 Jan 2013 15:00
cmonurzHoop BlahMaguire Actual ROFL at this non-speak.
You're all football geniuses in hindsight, aren't you? I've had the misfortune of reading this forum all season and people only started clamouring for 4-5-1 when we began losing games playing 4-4-2. That's how it works on here.
As I said with the Guthrie thing - he's the messiah until he gets back in the side then people realise he's not actually Pele and so the wheel gets turned once more.
It's not surprising people weren't calling for change for the first month of the season as we were a) bedding into the new league and integrating new players, b) being a bit more flexible tactically and playing 4-5-1 at times and c) playing a bit better than after McDermott ditched the flexibility and reverted back to 4-4-2 and a more direct style of play which also saw the continued run of poor form and bad results.
There's always a number of people that don't see 4-5-1 as an attacking formation too though, so it's not the most popular to play at home without there being a degree of criticism.
Personally, going into the season, I thought McDermotts work in the transfer window was going to see us be a bit more flexible and play a more passing game (why else bring in Guthrie and Pogrebnyak) which was more suited to the league than our whack it and hope Championship style that gave the ball away far too often (I'm sure I moaned enough about this last season for it to in the archives somewhere!).
As we only played 5 league games before October I don't think it's too surprising that posters weren't jumping on the anti 4-4-2 bandwagon too vociferously.
Absolutely.
Don't expect Mags to absorb all that though, he'll just come back to offer another non-opinion in a few days.
by melonhead » 02 Jan 2013 15:11
Hoop BlahRedRummelonhead is that the month and a half where we got alot of injuries and didnt have the players left to change formation
+1. The only midfielders we had available were Ledge and Tabb. IMO he only had 1 option, to play 4-4-2.. and basically just hope we score more than the opposition.
Possibly. We'll probably never know the full story about Guthrie though, who was already frozen out of the team before his 'injury' by the way so we did have options at that point, and if we didn't then perhaps that just shows a weakness in the squad that wasn't addressed.
Obviously we could also have used the likes of McLeary, Hunt, Robson-Kanu and Kebe (when fit) on the wings and moved McAnuff into the middle with Tabb and Legiertwood instead of just moving him there alongside one of them late in the game.
by Hoop Blah » 02 Jan 2013 15:25
by cmonurz » 02 Jan 2013 15:26
Maguire What's "non-opinion" about my opinion that this board is full of revisionist bullshit?
It simply isn't the case that everyone on here has been clamouring for 451 all season and that McDermott somehow twigged weeks after the collective wisdom of HNA. None of you have been doing that (including me).
All this board does is think the solution lies with whatever we're not doing or with whoever isn't playing.
by Royalclapper » 02 Jan 2013 15:29
by Ian Royal » 02 Jan 2013 17:58
melonheadIan Royal Right, he's started playing the right formation. He's started playing Pearce and Guthrie. He's made us difficult to beat. He's got improved performances and results. It's about a month and a half too late, but it's what I was looking for him to do, so he's got my support for the season now. Even if it goes straight back to shit, by the time that's clear it'll be too late to really make a change of manager worthwhile. Transfer window will be closed and we'll be totally doomed pointswise.
Good luck Brian, keep up the sort of work from the last week please.
is that the month and a half where we got alot of injuries and didnt have the players left to change formation
by bcubed » 02 Jan 2013 22:22
MaguirecmonurzHoop Blah It's not surprising people weren't calling for change for the first month of the season as we were a) bedding into the new league and integrating new players, b) being a bit more flexible tactically and playing 4-5-1 at times and c) playing a bit better than after McDermott ditched the flexibility and reverted back to 4-4-2 and a more direct style of play which also saw the continued run of poor form and bad results.
There's always a number of people that don't see 4-5-1 as an attacking formation too though, so it's not the most popular to play at home without there being a degree of criticism.
Personally, going into the season, I thought McDermotts work in the transfer window was going to see us be a bit more flexible and play a more passing game (why else bring in Guthrie and Pogrebnyak) which was more suited to the league than our whack it and hope Championship style that gave the ball away far too often (I'm sure I moaned enough about this last season for it to in the archives somewhere!).
As we only played 5 league games before October I don't think it's too surprising that posters weren't jumping on the anti 4-4-2 bandwagon too vociferously.
Absolutely.
Don't expect Mags to absorb all that though, he'll just come back to offer another non-opinion in a few days.
What's "non-opinion" about my opinion that this board is full of revisionist bullshit?
It simply isn't the case that everyone on here has been clamouring for 451 all season and that McDermott somehow twigged weeks after the collective wisdom of HNA. None of you have been doing that (including me).
All this board does is think the solution lies with whatever we're not doing or with whoever isn't playing.
by USA_Loyal_Royal » 02 Jan 2013 22:31
Hoop Blah I'd suggest that the mis-management of Guthrie started with his signing and then asking him to play differently to the way he has all along.
If you want a midfielder to just hassle and harry then knock it long at the earliest opportunity don't go and buy one who likes to pass the ball short. Bringing him in and no doubt selling him the idea that he'll be getting more first team football by joining us, then dropping him after a few games is probably a bit demotivating.
Once Guthrie stepped out of line I'd agree that McDermott had to take action. I think the mistakes were made before it got that far.
by SPARTA » 04 Jan 2013 20:53
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