Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

[Ian Royal]

so in your opinion all the years where we spent big at the level we were at, but had no real sucess, were key
but the years where we spent less(proportionately), but had success are irrelevant?

No you idiot-the club spent heavily to get up to the Championship which is some sort of success and don't forget that was not very long ago.

But our (alleged) expectations of European football and competing in the Premier League were essentially created in one season (and were optimistic at best - who really genuinely thought we'd finish top 10 in our second season, honestly!?). Our expectations of being a competitive Championship club were created over a good three or four seasons, and have been "reestablished" over another three or four season.

Personally I have no problem with our minimum expectations now being to be competitive in the Championship. What a change from 10 years ago.

[Royal Rother]

so in your opinion all the years where we spent big at the level we were at, but had no real sucess, were key
but the years where we spent less(proportionately), but had success are irrelevant?

No you idiot-the club spent heavily to get up to the Championship which is some sort of success and don't forget that was not very long ago.

Sorry Victor, he well and truly splatted you there.

[Half Man Half Biscuit]

Expenses are still too high, we'll have a deficit every year until that isn't the case.

Problem is that wage bill is proportional to how well you do in the league... so not having a high wage bill, because the players aren't worth the wages = relegation.

Good post Zac - not sure why others find it so obscure, Jobi is earning enough to cool interest from QPR, Hunty the same for West Ham Utd and Robson Kanu the same with Scumpie. What's to wonder about?

[Hoop Blah]

But our (alleged) expectations of European football and competing in the Premier League were essentially created in one season (and were optimistic at best - who really genuinely thought we'd finish top 10 in our second season, honestly!?).

Second season expectations don't really come into it. If we'd bothered to apply we'd already qualified for Europe in the first season.

[Ian Royal]

But our (alleged) expectations of European football and competing in the Premier League were essentially created in one season (and were optimistic at best - who really genuinely thought we'd finish top 10 in our second season, honestly!?).

Second season expectations don't really come into it. If we'd bothered to apply we'd already qualified for Europe in the first season.

That's got nothing to do with anything Hoop. We're talking about expectations for the level we can expect to compete at, not about whether we could actually have played in Europe once if we'd been arsed about it.

[The Goat was fed]

According to Brian McD on TalkSport.

Presumably without the Mills money, the cup run, the play-off final and the Long money to come, our "well run club" would be bankrupt by now.

Or the "black hole" in out club's accounts is so large we should call in the fraud squad.

[who are ya?]

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[Silver Fox]

Ooh, i really hope this thread develops into a well informed analysis of where the money's gone, like they all do

[URZZ]

http://www.talksport.co.uk/radio/how-to-listen

Interesting... if you get on there and listen now. McD was just on there and now they're talking about Leicester and WH spending.

[Ian Royal]

oxf*rd OFF AND DIE

[Who Moved The Goalposts?]

oxf*rd OFF AND DIE

Well, regardless of the niceties of the debate, the one thing I would add is that it gets just as tedious to hear the club repeating the same old lines time and time again as it does to hear the "where's the money gone" line. It's hardly the way to inspire confidence. I would rather they just said that's not a matter they wish to discuss publicly.

I'm not one of the "spend, spend, spend" mob. But sometimes I wish the style of the language from the club, if not the essence, was a little more upbeat - especially 3 days before the kick off.

[brendywendy]

not as annoying as repetetive threads all basically saying teh same thing imo

[Cypry]

I think part of the problem is Brian lives very much in the here and now - look at his attitude to games, he never looks past the next game, we hear that time and time again....

I suspect we don't have any surplus funds now, so all he's speaking is the truth (Mills money used to fill revenue gap, pay for Leigertwood, new contracts for Jobi and HRK, proposed contracts for Long and Kebe etc). If, however, Long were to be sold, I fully anticipate this situation would change, but I suspect that Brian's rather hoping Long will stay, so in his mind, there is no money now, and in an ideal World there won't be any money come the end of the Window either....

[floyd__streete]

not as annoying as repetetive threads all basically saying teh same thing imo

Agreed, but it doesn't make them any less true.

[FiNeRaIn]

I've heard despite 250k for hamer and a reported 7 million for long when he goes, on top of the 5 million for mills....there will be ABSOLUTELY NO MONEY available for transfers, these transfers would take our player sales since premiership football to over 40 million, by far the most in the entire football league and most of the premier league in that time period. Making us one of the RICHEST clubs in the world on pure player sales. Make of that what you will.

[Ian Royal]

Oh well, You've heard it, must be true then.

[floyd__streete]

these transfers would take our player sales since premiership football to over 40 million

Yeah but when you factor in the new media centre, Hammond's wages, Nigel Howe's dry-cleaning bill and the cost of giving away 12,000 Lindt bunnies to season ticket holders a few years ago than there is barely enough to cover the cost of the brasso required to keep Degas's Little Dancer clean and sparkling.

[FiNeRaIn]

Oh well, You've heard it, must be true then.

We'll see how it pans out, I don't even care anymore...pointless to complain. I don't think there has ever been a football club in history who have got so much money for player sales in a short space of time and have invested probably not even 5% of it on players. The money we have received for our players has been Championship manger style. I never in a million years saw our club being able to command such high fee's, especially considering the vast majority were picked up for peanuts too. Spending sensibly would be putting in 5/6 million of that ( over the last 3/4 years)on several players on moderate championship wages, however we seem to be incapable of doing that despite these championship freak style player sales.

[Woodcote Royal]

Ian sandwiched between Dolly and Daisy Despond.....................not nice

[FiNeRaIn]

these transfers would take our player sales since premiership football to over 40 million

Yeah but when you factor in the new media centre, Hammond's wages, Nigel Howe's dry-cleaning bill and the cost of giving away 12,000 Lindt bunnies to season ticket holders a few years ago than there is barely enough to cover the cost of the brasso required to keep Degas's Little Dancer clean and sparkling.

lol, not like we got 90 million in tv money for two seasons either, on top of sellouts every week on increased ticket prices.