Cardiff punishment

[prostak]

That was a unique case. The FA ignored its own rules, and subsequently received a serious rebuke from FIFA. Now they stick firmly to the line of not 're-refereeing' games - it must be an incident that has been unseen.

[weybridgewanderer]

I am not disagreeing with any of the sentiments above but rather highlighting the fine lines between success and failure and the fragile nature of confidence and momentum. I stand by the fact I think, rightly or wrongly, our season turned on one somewhat dubious incident from which there was much fall out.

All that said I often wonder where we would be now if Curo had not scored that sublime equaliser all that time ago at Brentford to send us into the Championship. I would hazard a guess we would never have evnetually set foot in the Premiership as we did or even perhaps be in the Championship now. Fine lines.

Its how you respond to these incidents that matter

Holt sent of v us for Norwich, what should have been a comprehensive win for them turned into a draw that would have felt like a defeat.

Did their season collapse on the back of that one poor decision?

[RoyalBlue]

That was a unique case. The FA ignored its own rules, and subsequently received a serious rebuke from FIFA. Now they stick firmly to the line of not 're-refereeing' games - it must be an incident that has been unseen.

You make very valid points. However, Clattenburg should now be dealt with for seeing the incident and failing to deal with it properly.

Once again you have to ask how much assistance he received from his so-called assistants.

[Mr Angry]

No. The law is that any incident which the referee has seen and dealt with to his satisfaction cannot be re-evaluated and re-punished by a video panel later. .

That isn't strictly correct.

FIFA has a regulation (I could be wrong but I think its Rule 77, subsection b) that states that a ref's decision CAN be overturned later; FIFA choose to disregard this rule.

[Harpers So Solid Crew]

McCarthy should have given Rooney a proper right hander in retaliation. Rooney used to be a decent player, but now sullies his skill and talent with a petulance that can only be seen as arrogance.

[Wycombe Royal]

Don't forget in all this that if McCarthy hadn't made a deliberate move to block the runof Rooney then this wouldn't have happened. Yes Rooney swung an elbow in a "get out of my way" fashion and I amnot defending him but McCarthy wasn't innocent in this, just as Stearman wasn't innocent in getting DJ Campbell sent off.

[andrew1957]

Today referees are saying that Wayne Rooney cannot be punished on video evidence because the referee did not punish him at the time and FIFA do not like dealing with issues after the event by video evidence.

I was not at the Cardiff match but I understood that Leigertwood was not punished by the referee at the time so I assume it WAS as a result of video evidence. A few seasons ago Lita was also banned for 3 games after the event because the referee missed an incident.

Is this yet another example of double standards for the top players as compared to the rest?

No. The law is that any incident which the referee has seen and dealt with to his satisfaction cannot be re-evaluated and re-punished by a video panel later. I don't know where you read that Clattenburg did not punish him - the very point of this is that he did so when he awarded a free kick. He can't retrospectively decide to issue a red card any more than a panel can.

Stop looking for conspiracy where there is none - it might be a stupid rule that doesn't allow exceptions for serious violent conduct, but on the other hand it would be a bad thing to undermine the referee's match-day authority.

You might be right by the letter of the law but it does make FIFA a laughing stock IMO. So basically if a referee makes a mistake nothing can be done - but if the referee misses something (which arguably is still a mistake as he and the lino's are being inefficient) the book can be thrown at a player. This is a nonsense. Even if football IS NOT corrupt - the authorities seem to make every effort to make it seem that it is. No wonder there are so many conspiracy theories. And week after week the bigger clubs do consistently get away with things that the smaller clubs do not get away with.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I had a nice chat about this with someone really ITK at the weekend. There were actually two incidents (anyone know the plural of fracas?) - on the pitch and in the tunnel.

I am also extremely confident that March 16th will be an interesting date.

[Bacon Double Cheese]

anyone know the plural of fracas?

I feel it should be frack arses; I'm sure it isn't though.
HTH

[Ferris]

Your username makes me salivate.

[PieEater]

Here's hoping the FAW actually do something on the 16th

[Svlad Cjelli]

From what I know about this I would be absolutely astounded if they don't. I expect Mr Bellamy to miss a fair chunk of the last part of the season - if he doesn't, then the FAW is as corrupt as somne of you say.

[Sarah Star]

It does seem like they're waiting til everyone's forgotten about the incident.

[Svlad Cjelli]

I understand that a joint hearing was available, so that both clubs would be heard at the same time, with both FA's together, etc, - but Reading declined that as an option - not sure why, though.

As all four officials, and any other witnesses, have to be brought together again no wonder there's been a delay in the sceduling of this. But it's next Wednesday so nearly there.

[TFF]

I understand that a joint hearing was available, so that both clubs would be heard at the same time, with both FA's together, etc, - but Reading declined that as an option - not sure why, though.

Possibly so Ledge was suspended for a match he couldn't have played in anyway.

[Turns8]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/9387145.stm

Can't wait for the outcome of this one...bearing in mind Chopra is now out injured...what's the betting Bellamy gets away without being suspended...

[Svlad Cjelli]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/9387145.stm

Can't wait for the outcome of this one...bearing in mind Chopra is now out injured...what's the betting Bellamy gets away without being suspended...

If he does, then something is massively amiss!

[ZacNaloen]

Are we ever going to find out what he actually did?

[facaldaqui]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/c/cardiff_city/9387145.stm

Can't wait for the outcome of this one...bearing in mind Chopra is now out injured...what's the betting Bellamy gets away without being suspended...

If he does, then something is massively amiss!

How do you know? Did you see the incident?

[RoyalBlue]

I understand that a joint hearing was available, so that both clubs would be heard at the same time, with both FA's together, etc, - but Reading declined that as an option - not sure why, though.

As all four officials, and any other witnesses, have to be brought together again no wonder there's been a delay in the sceduling of this. But it's next Wednesday so nearly there.

A joint hearing sounds really sensible, not least because of the logistical issues you mention in your second paragraph. For that reason I don't think the clubs should have been given any option but to attend a joint hearing.