BFTG Forest

[peterroyal76]

So give us your preferred and available candidate then.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

So give us your preferred and available candidate then.

Que the "We had the right guy & sacked him" comment

[Avon Royal]

If you think there's no manager in the land available that could get Reading playing to a higher standard than the shit we've been served up this season then you're having a laugh.

Well you shouldn't have too much trouble naming plenty of alternatives then.......

[MmmMonsterMunch]

If you think there's no manager in the land available that could get Reading playing to a higher standard than the shit we've been served up this season then you're having a laugh.

Well you shouldn't have too much trouble naming plenty of alternatives then.......

Have you not been keeping up to date with HNA recently Avon? Parky is the obvious choice.

[P!ssed Off]

Jokes on you mate. You seem to be the only one attempting to claim it was a tight game.

I said 1st half was a dead heat (which IMO it was). They were better than us 2nd half but right at the death we came back at them. To suggest they are the best team to visit us this season is weird IMO. They weren't that good at all & looked marginally less toothless than we did.

They looked ok. Created a few chances, but didn't finish them off. Pitch was in a state, it was always going to be a scrappy game with little quality.
For the first 75 minutes they were 6/10. We were a big fat ZERO/10. That's outclassed IMO.

[blueroyals]

McCarthy - didn't have much work to do. Distribution average. 5.

Kelly - don't really remember him playing apart from the goal. 5.
Pearce - passing poor but he's there to defend. gave away the FK which led to their goal. would have been a 3 but he showed a lot of passion. 5.
Gunter - looked solid at CB but we missed his pace on the right. 6.
Cummings - a couple of poor passes. 5.

McCleary - completely anonymous. offered no attacking threat. 4.
Williams - I don't think he enjoys playing football. after hearing him say that he wants to get out of the game when he finishes playing it's no surprise. 5.
Guthrie - low on confidence and that affected his passing and decision making. would have been a 4 if it wasn't for his shot at the end. 5.
Blackman - he finally justified himself as a footballer. 7.

Pogrebnyak - another player who doesn't look like he enjoys playing football. I completely understand of course, he just gets the ball launched at him for 90 minutes. What's to enjoy? Wish we'd stop using him like that. 5.
Sharp - closed down a lot more than Pog. 5.

Le Fondre - 5
Drenthe - changed the game. pace, attacking intent, everything we lacked for 70 minutes. assist as well. 7.
Taylor - looked comfortable with passing the ball. linked things up nicely. look forward to seeing more of him. 5.

[P!ssed Off]

If you think there's no manager in the land available that could get Reading playing to a higher standard than the shit we've been served up this season then you're having a laugh.

Well you shouldn't have too much trouble naming plenty of alternatives then.......

This season Derby, Middlesbrough, Barnsley, Wigan and Watford have all managed to replace their managers in the Championship.
Not sure why some of you lot seem to think it's such an impossible task.
There's no point in me giving you a list, plenty of alternatives have already been touted elsewhere yet still the tedious "replace him with who?" continues.

[Millsy]

Genuine question:

Under Brian I remember we were a play-when-losing team. We often were rubbish, got to the obligatory 2-0 down then decided we might as well give it a go and started playing more riskily. Sometimes it paid off with good goals, sometimes it didn't. A risk worth taking with nothing to lose. Whilst I'm still gutted over the Brian sacking I understand that was no strategy.

I thankfully didn't go to this match but was this the same sort of scenario? i.e. did we play rubbish then decide to simply throw caution to the wind and attack thereby possibly leaving ourselves very open in the same clueless "well we're going to lose anyway so why not?" manner? Or was it more a case of we got stuck in and actually played some sound secure yet attacking football

If the former, we have problems.

If the latter, there's hope.

[P!ssed Off]

So give us your preferred and available candidate then.

tbh right now I'd rather have Dolan as caretaker manager.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Genuine question:

Under Brian I remember we were a play-when-losing team. We often were rubbish, got to the obligatory 2-0 down then decided we might as well give it a go and started playing more riskily. Sometimes it paid off with good goals, sometimes it didn't. A risk worth taking with nothing to lose. Whilst I'm still gutted over the Brian sacking I understand that was no strategy.

I thankfully didn't go to this match but was this the same sort of scenario? i.e. did we play rubbish then decide to simply throw caution to the wind and attack thereby possibly leaving ourselves very open in the same clueless "well we're going to lose anyway so why not?" manner? Or was it more a case of we got stuck in and actually played some sound secure yet attacking football

If the former, we have problems.

If the latter, there's hope.

TBF to Adkins he made 2 subs with 30 mins to go to try & change the game & it did help. But in answer to your question I've no fcuking idea..

[P!ssed Off]

Genuine question:

Under Brian I remember we were a play-when-losing team. We often were rubbish, got to the obligatory 2-0 down then decided we might as well give it a go and started playing more riskily. Sometimes it paid off with good goals, sometimes it didn't. A risk worth taking with nothing to lose. Whilst I'm still gutted over the Brian sacking I understand that was no strategy.

I thankfully didn't go to this match but was this the same sort of scenario? i.e. did we play rubbish then decide to simply throw caution to the wind and attack thereby possibly leaving ourselves very open in the same clueless "well we're going to lose anyway so why not?" manner? Or was it more a case of we got stuck in and actually played some sound secure yet attacking football

If the former, we have problems.

If the latter, there's hope.

Yes, it was most certainly the former.
Williams ended up on the right wing, Blackman at left back.
Pearce was the equivalent of an American Football Quarter Back, just slinging it in to their half.

It was the same against Wigan, where I think we ended the match with about 6 wingers on the pitch.
Adkins might claim credit for the substitutions, but it certainly wasn't his brand of football that won us a point.

[Avon Royal]

There's no point in me giving you a list, plenty of alternatives have already been touted elsewhere yet still the tedious "replace him with who?" continues.

[P!ssed Off]

There's no point in me giving you a list, plenty of alternatives have already been touted elsewhere yet still the tedious "replace him with who?" continues.

oxf*rd anyone for Christ's sake.
Can't do any worse than the job Adkins is doing.

[andrew1957]

Another truly woeful performance - in what is in my opinion the most depressing season since pre Pardew days. With a minute to go I thought we had snatched a 1-0 loss - as we should have been 4 down and so our goal was a travesty and a point undeserved.

I am so glad that I did not buy a season ticket this time as I am not committed to going to any more games and after today's dire fest I am not sure that I can get the enthusiasm up to sit through another debacle. At this moment I feel that I cannot be bothered to go again this season unless a miracle occurs and we start to play at least some football. I don’t mind seeing us lose but I do expect the players to show some passion for the whole 90 minutes and not just the last 5 minutes or so - like today.

The only positive for me was the honest interviews with ALF, Kelly and Guthrie after the match. None of them shirked from telling it as it is. Good luck to ALF in finding a club that wants him Shame the manager still seems to think we are playing like Barcelona.

The few positives are a well done to Blackman who was ok today. I thought Gunter did ok playing out of position and Drenthe was a breath of fresh air when he came on. And as for McCarthy I think if we did not have him we would be near the bottom and more worried about relegation - as he pulled off a couple of smart saves yet again. I reckon he has gained us 10 points or so this season.

[Millsy]

If you think there's no manager in the land available that could get Reading playing to a higher standard than the shit we've been served up this season then you're having a laugh.

Well you shouldn't have too much trouble naming plenty of alternatives then.......

This season Derby, Middlesbrough, Barnsley, Wigan and Watford have all managed to replace their managers in the Championship.
Not sure why some of you lot seem to think it's such an impossible task.
There's no point in me giving you a list, plenty of alternatives have already been touted elsewhere yet still the tedious "replace him with who?" continues.

Yes and no.

I was an Adkins fan and I'm beginning to lose hope in his ability to make the best of a bad situation to be honest. The "replace with who?" question is actually always valid, but as you say there are many alternatives so you're partly right. The big issue here though is that whilst Adkins may be a bit crap at getting a bad side playing well that's NOT the main reason we're so awful. The main obvious reason staring everyone in the face - which many of us clearly raised alarm bells about in the summer and have now sadly proven to be 100% right about to the hopeful crushing humiliation of club defenders - is the massive ownership problems meaning all of a sudden planned transfers didn't happen and whilst we did have a fairly good quality squad it was deficient in the same key areas we'd be screaming about for over a year. It's analagous to building a very good quality Ferrari then all of a sudden running out of money, unable to buy the final few parts needed to make it run. Without those parts it's useless no matter how high quality the rest of it is. That's the HUGE problem here and whilst I concede that yes a Parky or even a Brian (or dare I say it even a Di Canio) might be able to make the best out of the current situation and maybe even get us up only to be bravely relegated again, it won't address the underlying issue of club ownership, stability and adequate balanced investment. THAT needs to be sorted first and foremost and my guess is that IF AND WHEN we get to the point where we suddenly have healthy investment potential again Adkins will be the man for the long term job that we need (even though I'm losing faith with Adkins' ability in the current situation), not some quick-fix-charlie who is great on a shoestring budget and a tight situation but no good for the longterm.

So changing manager is daft in my opinion UNLESS we can't see the ownership problem resolving in the next year or two in which case I'd definitely say yes let's accept we'll continue to be a financially struggling team and adjust accordingly, saying goodbye to a man who just doesn't fit our circumstances.

[Avon Royal]

There's no point in me giving you a list, plenty of alternatives have already been touted elsewhere yet still the tedious "replace him with who?" continues.

oxf*rd anyone for Christ's sake.
Can't do any worse than the job Adkins is doing.

1 point off the playoffs - yeah, terrible job.

[P!ssed Off]

oxf*rd anyone for Christ's sake.
Can't do any worse than the job Adkins is doing.

1 point off the playoffs - yeah, terrible job.

There's a reason I blocked you.
All you are capable of is sarcastic one sentence answers and emoticons.
I don't recall you ever offering anything to a conversation.
Just piss off already.

[P!ssed Off]

Yes and no.

I was an Adkins fan and I'm beginning to lose hope in his ability to make the best of a bad situation to be honest. The "replace with who?" question is actually always valid, but as you say there are many alternatives so you're partly right. The big issue here though is that whilst Adkins may be a bit crap at getting a bad side playing well that's NOT the main reason we're so awful. The main obvious reason staring everyone in the face - which many of us clearly raised alarm bells about in the summer and have now sadly proven to be 100% right about to the hopeful crushing humiliation of club defenders - is the massive ownership problems meaning all of a sudden planned transfers didn't happen and whilst we did have a fairly good quality squad it was deficient in the same key areas we'd be screaming about for over a year. It's analagous to building a very good quality Ferrari then all of a sudden running out of money, unable to buy the final few parts needed to make it run. Without those parts it's useless no matter how high quality the rest of it is. That's the HUGE problem here and whilst I concede that yes a Parky or even a Brian (or dare I say it even a Di Canio) might be able to make the best out of the current situation and maybe even get us up only to be bravely relegated again, it won't address the underlying issue of club ownership, stability and adequate balanced investment. THAT needs to be sorted first and foremost and my guess is that IF AND WHEN we get to the point where we suddenly have healthy investment potential again Adkins will be the man for the long term job that we need (even though I'm losing faith with Adkins' ability in the current situation), not some quick-fix-charlie who is great on a shoestring budget and a tight situation but no good for the longterm.

So changing manager is daft in my opinion UNLESS we can't see the ownership problem resolving in the next year or two in which case I'd definitely say yes let's accept we'll continue to be a financially struggling team and adjust accordingly, saying goodbye to a man who just doesn't fit our circumstances.

As you've said you haven't even been to a match in oxf*rd ages.
Go to a game for yourself and just see how tragically Adkins' team are performing.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

1 point off the playoffs - yeah, terrible job.

I find it highly unlikely that another manager would have got many more points given the injuries we have. Performances are a worry but again injuries are massively determining the side we put out.

[Avon Royal]

oxf*rd anyone for Christ's sake.
Can't do any worse than the job Adkins is doing.

1 point off the playoffs - yeah, terrible job.

There's a reason I blocked you.
All you are capable of is sarcastic one sentence answers and emoticons.
I don't recall you ever offering anything to a conversation.
Just piss off already.

Calm down petal.

Don't get annoyed with me just because it only takes one sentence to highlight the flaws in your ramblings.