Williams, Obita, etc.

[maffff]

It was pretty painful to watch.

Standard.

[mr_number]

Are you not watching the curling, Peps?

Na, bit busy today m8

Nightmare. I'm having to explain the concept of the hammer all over the place today.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Yeh, I saw. Explaining curling to these idiots is like trying to get maffff to understand what a comma is.

[Agent Balti]

/off topic

Why didn't the GB team score at 2-1 at the end of the 4th End? Is that pesky hammer again?

[Ian Royal]

Guthrie is clearly being used by a few who want to continue to push a pro-McDermott / anti-Adkins agenda and the problems Guthrie had with McDermott last season help that. His ability to pass the ball also helps use him in the anti-possessional anti-passing / pro-McDermott agenda.

There is no argument that Guthrie's form dipped. But there seems to be an attempt to completely ignore his early season form. And to ignore that after the first few games he didn't have a settled partner in form to help him.

He's out of the side on merit at the moment, but I see no reason to think that he wouldn't fit in perfectly well and perhaps enhance our play further if he gets back into this far better performing and settled side.

[Nameless]

Guthrie is clearly being used by a few who want to continue to push a pro-McDermott / anti-Adkins agenda and the problems Guthrie had with McDermott last season help that. His ability to pass the ball also helps use him in the anti-possessional anti-passing / pro-McDermott agenda.

There is no argument that Guthrie's form dipped. But there seems to be an attempt to completely ignore his early season form. And to ignore that after the first few games he didn't have a settled partner in form to help him.

He's out of the side on merit at the moment, but I see no reason to think that he wouldn't fit in perfectly well and perhaps enhance our play further if he gets back into this far better performing and settled side.

How would you use him in a 4-4-2 at the moment. I think having 2 workers inthe centre with the creative players wide works really well for us, and has for a long time. The only real way for Guthrie to come back in is for Akpan and whilst he is clearly a much better player I'm not sure what it would do for the team balance.

[Ian Royal]

Guthrie is clearly being used by a few who want to continue to push a pro-McDermott / anti-Adkins agenda and the problems Guthrie had with McDermott last season help that. His ability to pass the ball also helps use him in the anti-possessional anti-passing / pro-McDermott agenda.

There is no argument that Guthrie's form dipped. But there seems to be an attempt to completely ignore his early season form. And to ignore that after the first few games he didn't have a settled partner in form to help him.

He's out of the side on merit at the moment, but I see no reason to think that he wouldn't fit in perfectly well and perhaps enhance our play further if he gets back into this far better performing and settled side.

How would you use him in a 4-4-2 at the moment. I think having 2 workers inthe centre with the creative players wide works really well for us, and has for a long time. The only real way for Guthrie to come back in is for Akpan and whilst he is clearly a much better player I'm not sure what it would do for the team balance.

Well Williams is undroppable at the moment so quite clearly it would be Akpan that missed out. But I think that on the whole any of our midfielders could forge a successful partnership with each other given a good balance around them.

In fact, ignoring injuries, I think we've got an embarassment of riches in midfield, probably our strongest depth ever. Leigertwood, Karacan, Williams, Guthrie, Akpan, Taylor, Tshibola, Baird. Just wowzers.

[FridaysGhost]

Many thanks to all of you who have replied. I was wondering about Williams and it seems we may have unearthed a Gem. Given Obita and Williams, are there any other new faces showing ability (mostly subs I know).

Would be useful if this thread kept going, particularly for those of us who do not get to many matches.

[Loyal royal 247]

Many thanks to all of you who have replied. I was wondering about Williams and it seems we may have unearthed a Gem. Given Obita and Williams, are there any other new faces showing ability (mostly subs I know).

Would be useful if this thread kept going, particularly for those of us who do not get to many matches.

jake taylor looked alright.

[Cripple Creek]

I'm really interested in this thread because I get to see absolutely zero matches as I'm on the other side of the world. It's great to hear such gushing praise for Williams and as another poster said the remarks on here suggest we've unearthed a gem.
I would be interested on getting a bit of perspective on Gunter. He cost us a lot of money and people have been generally lukewarm about him until recently. My questions really are how good is he and is he someone who looks like he is improving? What are his good qualities and what are his weaknesses?

[mr_number]

/off topic

Why didn't the GB team score at 2-1 at the end of the 4th End? Is that pesky hammer again?

Can't remember exactly, but would probably have been about keeping the hammer. Taking only 1 when you've got the hammer isn't a gr8 result generally.

[MouldyRoyal]

Lol at people saying we unearthed a gem re Williams. It's not like he's played in the Bundesliga or US national team or anything.

[maffff]

Yeh, I saw. Explaining curling to these idiots is like trying to get maffff to understand what a comma is.

[WoodleyRoyal]

I'm really interested in this thread because I get to see absolutely zero matches as I'm on the other side of the world. It's great to hear such gushing praise for Williams and as another poster said the remarks on here suggest we've unearthed a gem.
I would be interested on getting a bit of perspective on Gunter. He cost us a lot of money and people have been generally lukewarm about him until recently. My questions really are how good is he and is he someone who looks like he is improving? What are his good qualities and what are his weaknesses?

imo he has the potential to be the best right back for the club in my living memory and I started going in the early 90's and he's still just 24 remember, he reminds me of when Bertrand was playing for us in the champ, he's very quick good on the ball overlaps well forever getting to the byline and getting crosses in, and he has a good cross on him. Defensively he is occasionally naïve getting caught too high up the pitch, letting the ball bounce when he should be getting his head on it, committing him self in the tackle rather than seeing him out. But he is getting better at the defensive side of his game as he plays in a more settled back four. I think the premiership was a season too early for him if we were to be promoted again I would expect a much better season for him.

[melonhead]

i never mentioned dirty work in regards to why he had become ineffective though

No, leon did, that's who I was responding to, originally.

why are you using that in a reply to me then?.

[melonhead]

There is no argument that Guthrie's form dipped. But there seems to be an attempt to completely ignore his early season form. And to ignore that after the first few games he didn't have a settled partner in form to help him.

.

apart from when i mentioned both

[Ian Royal]

There is no argument that Guthrie's form dipped. But there seems to be an attempt to completely ignore his early season form. And to ignore that after the first few games he didn't have a settled partner in form to help him.

.

apart from when i mentioned both

Yes, but it's not always you that people are talking to / about.

[Duke the Dog2]

Guthrie went downhill rapidly once Baird was out, he needs muscle in the middle to help.

Williams is a revelation for me. Up until this year I wondered what the hell he was in the side for and reminded me of Lee Hodges (ie was Williams playing today). But fair play, he's really impressed in the past month or so.

Can he play alongside Guthrie though?

[SCIAG]

I'm really interested in this thread because I get to see absolutely zero matches as I'm on the other side of the world. It's great to hear such gushing praise for Williams and as another poster said the remarks on here suggest we've unearthed a gem.
I would be interested on getting a bit of perspective on Gunter. He cost us a lot of money and people have been generally lukewarm about him until recently. My questions really are how good is he and is he someone who looks like he is improving? What are his good qualities and what are his weaknesses?

Last season he was absolute dog turd, but so was Cummings.

He's got better and better as this season has gone on though, still looks defensively shaky at times, but not to the same extent as Obita, and he's getting better going forward. I'd probably want to replace him if we got promoted, but he has been very good for the past two months or so.

The suggestion that he is potentially our best within living memory is perhaps slightly premature, but his best games are certainly comparable with Murty/Rosenior/Griffin at their best.

[Lower West]

Williams is a revelation for me. Up until this year I wondered what the hell he was in the side for and reminded me of Lee Hodges (ie was Williams playing today). But fair play, he's really impressed in the past month or so.

Can he play alongside Guthrie though?

By default of injuries. A most unlikely pairing has been unearthed. Often the way in football.

I put Jem and Mikele in the same category of a natural partnership.