FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Vision » 03 Sep 2014 11:32

Zana Badawi
That's all well and good if players were just numbers.
(FTR, if we do spend 7 million+ in the January window, Ill send you a packet of hobnobs, no questions asked.)
But if you look beyond the numbers, I would like to say the following

1. Le Fondre and McCarthy were (arguably) two of the most popular players at the club
2. There is no way that Ferdinand is a reliable replacement for Morrison. Centre Back has always been a key position we've lacked depth in (for some time now) and Id much rather we addressed that non-speculatively sooner or later
3. Lets not get overexcited by Drenthe. Our position hasn't really changed. We are still paying him a lot to do nothing at all.
4. Cox was let go originally because he couldn't get into the squad, and now several years later he is now only a half-million pound championship player. He's hardly progressed and now he is deemed good enough. A clear definition of a club in decline.
5. I disagree that Norwood (in the opinion of CW) offers 'something new'. Our buying strategy in recent years have consisted of 'A central midfielder +AN Other'. What exactly does an unreliable central midfielder who may just be too good for the championship at his best offer us that Guthrie doesn?
6. Given that we've got the U21s/U18s queuing up to be played, I would have thought that this would be a good time to reduce the number of players we're giving contracts to. Its the number of players not giving VFM for their contracts that has contributed to our 'near administration'. Injury crisis or not, I don't want to see our squad size increase.

I didn't think the window was that bad (Im bitterly disappointed that McCarthy has gone, mind you) but lets face it, its not beyond criticism. Seems a shame that CW has been suckered into feeling the need to show solidarity at the expense of more sensible reporting.


1) Neither were starters when they were sold although granted in McCarthy's case an imminent move may have been the cause of that. But although it weakens the squad it makes little difference to the strength of the first 11. I'm not sure what popularity has to with it. Are you talking about with fans or in the dressing room?
2) We simply don't know yet do we? If Ferdinand gets back to something approaching his best then he is a better player than Morrison currently is.
3) True but getting away from the club environment and paying less is about the best we could hope for.
4) Cox left because he couldn't get into our premiership squad. He's since proved to be a more than capable Championship player (including being an integral part of a promotion winning side). He's already bagged a couple of goals this season and if he carries on in the same way he'll be a 15-20 goals a season player added to his assists.
5)Well he offers us the fact that he can play, which Guthrie hasn't been able to. Also seems a bit odd to bemoan a lack of depth at Centre Half and then complain about adding depth to central midfield where we've been playing a novice centre half and a young winger.
6)I agree but again how do you suggest we reduce the squad size if you're bemoaning the fact we've sold players, some of whom weren't in our starting 11 at the time. Players aren't simply going to walk away just because the club want them to.

There's no question that compared to the calibre and quality of the squad that started last season, this one looks inferior. But if we can get half of our injured players back (and there are some pretty key players on the treatment table) then we still have a competitive squad whilst significantly reducing the wage bill from the excesses of the AZ era. I'd have liked to have seen a left back and perhaps another centre half so it isn't perfect but I'm still hopeful the loan market can fill that gap.

Of course things are far from ideal at the moment but there's certainly a lot more to be optimistic about than there was a couple of months ago. At the moment I'm just enjoying the opportunity to watch some of the Academy players (whom we've invested quite a bit on) performing for the first team and in a lot of cases more than holding their own.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Royal Biscuitman » 03 Sep 2014 11:34

I misread this as The Unrealistic Wingers..... thought it was going to be about Blackman and HRK

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by melonhead » 03 Sep 2014 11:49

strap
SPARTA An excellent read if you can stop whining for just 5 minutes. http://t.co/aDNUYsGwS0

If you still want to complain about lack of ambition and nonsense like that, please, for our entertainment, give it your best shot.


Back of fag packet response .....



A self-financed transfer window.

That's a good thing yeah?
Before we were having to sell players to pay tax, and fill black holes. And now we get to spend the money on new players.
Win win yeah?

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by melonhead » 03 Sep 2014 11:52

sandman "They never promised anything and you're an idiot for thinking that they did" came the stock reply from the usual suspects.

Your definition offers busy is just different to theirs, and based on incomplete info.
Ie you have no idea how busy they were with other things that fall through

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by floyd__streete » 03 Sep 2014 12:10

Good signings for us. My only concern is injury-wise.....Murray has had some doubts over his fitness in recent times. Ferdinand signed unfit to play. Otherwise good experience to supplement some young quality we have. It would be folly to over-expose them though, so we desperately needed the numbers. Well done to all concerned.


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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by wingnut » 03 Sep 2014 12:12

Floyd, brendy's hacked your account.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by ZacNaloen » 03 Sep 2014 12:15

Are you feeling Ok Floyd? No fevers?

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by floyd__streete » 03 Sep 2014 12:22

Yeah yeah Floyd hates everything, I get ya.....thing is, when the club finally puts its money where its big PR mouth is and makes key signings they deserve the credit. When they do things less well they deserve stick. Seems fair enough to me :!:

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by ZacNaloen » 03 Sep 2014 12:25

Fair enough, plenty of people finding fault in this window though. Not me that is, perfectly content. The injury list is a bit of a millstone though.


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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by floyd__streete » 03 Sep 2014 12:29

ZacNaloen Fair enough, plenty of people finding fault in this window though.


Well you always get pant-p*ssing retards who get a kick out of twitter rumours and who somehow think that Jim White is some sort of God. They don't deserve to live, never mind deserve to be disappointed :!:

It has been our best transfer window in ages.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Ian Royal » 03 Sep 2014 12:35

Floyd, I love you and I've missed you. Welcome back. :D

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by savage 4 england » 03 Sep 2014 16:23

We should of signed Jordan Rhodes, Nahki Wells, Adam Clayton, Darren Powell and Gary Alexander.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Royal Lady » 03 Sep 2014 16:45

savage 4 england We should of signed Jordan Rhodes, Nahki Wells, Adam Clayton, Darren Powell and Gary Alexander.



Alright Sir Dodger - wondered where you had disappeared to :wink:


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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Maguire » 03 Sep 2014 16:49

ZacNaloen Fair enough, plenty of people finding fault in this window though. Not me that is, perfectly content. The injury list is a bit of a millstone though.


Summed it up well and good.

I don't know a great deal about Norwood and Ferdinand is very much a case of the jury retiring to consider its decision, but the rest i'm okay with.

Mate of mine is a ST holder at Palace and really rates Murray even post injury.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Ian Royal » 03 Sep 2014 16:50

Actually, it's a bit of a surprise SDR hasn't turned up at the end of the window. That's one of his normal rant times isn't it?

Maybe he's happy with how we did. :shock:

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Royal Lady » 03 Sep 2014 17:07

Ian Royal Actually, it's a bit of a surprise SDR hasn't turned up at the end of the window. That's one of his normal rant times isn't it?

Maybe he's happy with how we did. :shock:

Probably self-combusted with the anger of it all.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Mike Hunt » 04 Sep 2014 00:58

floyd__streete Good signings for us. My only concern is injury-wise.....Murray has had some doubts over his fitness in recent times. Ferdinand signed unfit to play. Otherwise good experience to supplement some young quality we have. It would be folly to over-expose them though, so we desperately needed the numbers. Well done to all concerned.


This is key. It seems that the club is learning, as they only took Murray on a loan until Jan so he can prove his fitness before being offered a deal. The Twitter mongs were getting their panties in a twist over this when it was first announced, including the normally level headed Mafffff.



strap
SPARTA An excellent read if you can stop whining for just 5 minutes. http://t.co/aDNUYsGwS0

If you still want to complain about lack of ambition and nonsense like that, please, for our entertainment, give it your best shot.


Back of fag packet response .....



A self-financed transfer window.


@ Strap, a question for the naive. What does nr stand for when referring to wages?

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by From Despair To Where? » 04 Sep 2014 07:28

savage 4 england We should of signed Jordan Rhodes, Nahki Wells, Adam Clayton, Darren Powell and Gary Alexander.


Yes, he's old, bloated and eager for chips.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by Platypuss » 04 Sep 2014 08:28

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percy_freeman Whilst I am not entirely unhappy about the business done this window, this article fall to bits from the off. Why were all the staff busy last night on a Loan deal that could of been done next week???

If done next week it would be an emergency loan for a maximum of 93 days, which is roughly one month shorter than the deal we signed yesterday.


Another difference is that emergency loans have a recall option after the first month - half-season ones don't.

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Re: FAO: The Unrealistic Whingers

by marcusopp » 04 Sep 2014 09:29

Royal Biscuitman I misread this as The Unrealistic Wingers..... thought it was going to be about Blackman and HRK

:lol:

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