Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by paultheroyal » 23 May 2015 08:13

Basingstoke Royal Doesn't make any sense to me.

Hahnemann, Feds and Mccarthy all top class goalkeepers working under sal. Don't think it's a coincidence.

The only thing I can think is that Feds has told the club he is leaving which has led them to deciding to start afresh. Sal will probably go with Feds.


Bournemouth are already blessed with decent goalkeeping coaches though so can't see that happening.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Royalcop » 23 May 2015 10:19

6 Million Dollar Man Those of us of a certain age who remember Bibbo's pretty poor efforts in goal for us in the late 90's were frankly stunned when he became a goalkeeping coach! No great loss in my opinion, and will surely be replaced by better


Poor player doesn't necessarily equal poor coach (Wenger, Mourinho); you have to look at the output of his coaching alone, judging him as a coach by what he did as a player in his early 20's is very unfair.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by RoyalBlue » 23 May 2015 10:54

winchester_royal Why? None of us have a clue about what these guys are like behind the scenes. We don't know how good a job they do.

Even someone like Bibbo. Just because we've had a good batch of goalies come through it doesn't necessarily mean he's the best thing since sliced bread. He may just have got lucky.

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Got lucky?!!! Consistently over that period of time? :roll:

If he was that effing lucky he wouldn't need to be working - he'd have won the lottery several times.

A GK coach who was indisputably very successful under, and clearly very highly rated by, a succession of managers, one of whom was a keeper (and I believe qualified coach) himself, but not good enough for Clarke. :shock:

So Clarke is now wasting further money paying off a decent coach just to do things completely his own way with his own men. :twisted:

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6 Million Dollar Man Those of us of a certain age who remember Bibbo's pretty poor efforts in goal for us in the late 90's were frankly stunned when he became a goalkeeping coach! No great loss in my opinion, and will surely be replaced by better


Poor player doesn't necessarily equal poor coach (Wenger, Mourinho); you have to look at the output of his coaching alone, judging him as a coach by what he did as a player in his early 20's is very unfair.


Exactly. Clearly some don't have any idea what it takes to be a very good coach. Following their warped logic, we wouldn't have seen some incredibly talented players prove themselves to be absolutely crap coaches.

The one position we didn't have a problem with last season was Goalkeeper. Indeed it was the position that ensured our survival. So unbelievably Clarke appears to prioritise that for major surgery, sacking the specialist coach and ensuring that, at this moment in time we don't have Feds, Andersen or any other senior keeper for next season! :roll:

Clearly intent on finishing off the job he started last season - onwards and downwards! :twisted:

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Ian Royal » 23 May 2015 11:26

I would take this news less negatively if Clarke had done anything significantly positive during his management of the club. So far his only positives have been being tactically astute in about 3 (high profile) games out of about 25.

His January signings have been extremely mixed at best, with the positives in areas we didnt particularly need them blocking our academy players. The club's results under him have got no better, perhaps worse.

If you look at his managerial history the success was shortlived and based pretty much entirely around loaning one player way too good for his decent side, then falling apart.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Lacoste » 23 May 2015 11:44

Ian Royal
Harpers So Solid Crew Why, it is a single position, and we just let a load of keepers go

Oh ok, you're right. we don't need a goalkeeping coach.


Clarke can seriously just oxf*rd off.


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Clarke is a statement manager - he thinks he's Jose

WTF is the point of all of this? The kit man FFS. Is he going to find someone who washes better?

Bibbo was a feel good factor for many years, Clarke is a cun t. Bet they all return once the new manager comes in in September.

I bet they were all voicing their concernes about Clarke being clueless having seen many more successful managers before him so he cleared them out.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by bagman » 23 May 2015 12:17

As the Captain of the Titanic said as he left Belfast " I don't need any help from the useless bastards who helped build this ship, I am the man ! "

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Woodcote Royal » 23 May 2015 12:23

Ian Royal I would take this news less negatively if Clarke had done anything significantly positive during his management of the club.


You mean like all those wonderful things Bodgekins had you w@nking over for 2 years :P

It's a crying shame that no one ever got you to wash a pair of club shorts so that your endless cr@p might also be a thing of the past.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Woodcote Royal » 23 May 2015 12:40

winchester_royal Why? None of us have a clue about what these guys are like behind the scenes. We don't know how good a job they do.

Even someone like Bibbo. Just because we've had a good batch of goalies come through it doesn't necessarily mean he's the best thing since sliced bread. He may just have got lucky.

Feds still has near post issues.
McCarthy never learnt to kick.
Hamer has improved since he left.
Andersen hasn't progressed.

Just saying.


All fair points.

Frankly, I haven't got a clue either way and seriously doubt anyone else has here either.

Just what I saw against Arsenal puts Clarke light years ahead of Adkins in my eyes and, if the latter's apologists felt justified in demanding their tactical pygmy be given until the end of yet another highly tedious season, surely Clarke is entitled to one summer and a full campaign.

On that basis, if he wants his own backroom staff and we can afford it, fair enough.

The time for a fair assessment is about 12 months away.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Royal Rother » 23 May 2015 12:50

I am distinctly underwhelmed by Clarke but refuse to be drawn into moaning about these moves when I know sod all about what has been going on behind the scenes.

Well that was was until Mr. Apoplepsy popped up in support of him, now I agree that Clarke is a total Cnut.


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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Snowball » 23 May 2015 12:57

Clarke quite rightly says this is a team, a squad, a club that has got used to losing.

He should root out as much of the old dead wood as he can. The mental thing doesn't stop at the players.

Do all you moaning minis not think Clarke ASSESSED the goalkeeping coaching?

We have had physically gifted keepers, but, as pointed out, they've all had weaknesses (OK that's why they are Championship players) but, and here is the big but, THOSE WEAKNESSES HAVE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED.

Feds (who I have a lot of time for) may well have lost us the Wembley semi-final, and let's face it, the near-post has been his Achilles heel. So, in ten years, the goalkeeping coach, did WHAT exactly, to overcome Fed's most noticeable weakness?

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Uke » 23 May 2015 13:24

bagman As the Captain of the Titanic said as he left Belfast " I don't need any help from the useless bastards who helped build this ship, I am the man ! "


Worst analogy ever?

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Esteban » 23 May 2015 14:39

I'm not in favour of removing Bibbo and the others, but at last, someone at Reading has stepped up, been decisive and is taking responsibility for the management of the club. I don't feel like we've had that for far too long, probably since Coppell.

It might turn out to be a great decision, it might misfire spectacularly, but fair play to Clarke for at least having the conviction to make tough decisions and be fully accountable for our on field fortunes.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Lower West » 23 May 2015 14:48

Who says that these changes are at Clarke's behest alone? More likely at board level.


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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Esteban » 23 May 2015 15:07

Lower West Who says that these changes are at Clarke's behest alone? More likely at board level.


Going on Charles Watts' information on Twitter.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by sandman » 23 May 2015 15:17

From Despair To Where?
6 Million Dollar Man Those of us of a certain age who remember Bibbo's pretty poor efforts in goal for us in the late 90's were frankly stunned when he became a goalkeeping coach! No great loss in my opinion, and will surely be replaced by better


He wasn't great, was he. In his rare first team outings, I remember him being short and clueless positionally.


Very good juggler though.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by jazz » 23 May 2015 20:37

Esteban I'm not in favour of removing Bibbo and the others, but at last, someone at Reading has stepped up, been decisive and is taking responsibility for the management of the club. I don't feel like we've had that for far too long, probably since Coppell.

It might turn out to be a great decision, it might misfire spectacularly, but fair play to Clarke for at least having the conviction to make tough decisions and be fully accountable for our on field fortunes.


Spot on. The club is at turnaround point. Bottom up is one point to start.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by AthleticoSpizz » 23 May 2015 21:03

Sal Bibbo

Happened to be be at EP when he turned up to sign......no fanfares....no photo shoots.....just a " we'll tell them that you are here"................that's how it was back then, unless you wore a wig.

Heroic game at Sheffield U

Still better ball distribution than McCarthy will ever have........(which in itself, could be seen as a bit of a fail)

Thanks for the Marcus days......a bit gutted for you really

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by SCIAG » 23 May 2015 21:17

Snowball We have had physically gifted keepers, but, as pointed out, they've all had weaknesses (OK that's why they are Championship players) but, and here is the big but, THOSE WEAKNESSES HAVE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED.

Feds (who I have a lot of time for) may well have lost us the Wembley semi-final, and let's face it, the near-post has been his Achilles heel. So, in ten years, the goalkeeping coach, did WHAT exactly, to overcome Fed's most noticeable weakness?

You're pretty much talking nonsense.

If someone can't see how Federici has improved in the past ten years - he was released after six months at the club, after all, then didn't threaten Graham Stack's spot on the bench, and has now won POTS - then they shouldn't be criticising the goalkeeping coaching. It is complete piffle to say his weaknesses haven't been addressed.

Neither of Arsenal's goals were scored at the near post.

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by AthleticoSpizz » 23 May 2015 21:23

Another +1

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Re: Bibbo and Armstrong gone?

by Royal Rother » 23 May 2015 22:17

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Snowball We have had physically gifted keepers, but, as pointed out, they've all had weaknesses (OK that's why they are Championship players) but, and here is the big but, THOSE WEAKNESSES HAVE NEVER BEEN ADDRESSED.

Feds (who I have a lot of time for) may well have lost us the Wembley semi-final, and let's face it, the near-post has been his Achilles heel. So, in ten years, the goalkeeping coach, did WHAT exactly, to overcome Fed's most noticeable weakness?

You're pretty much talking nonsense.

If someone can't see how Federici has improved in the past ten years - he was released after six months at the club, after all, then didn't threaten Graham Stack's spot on the bench, and has now won POTS - then they shouldn't be criticising the goalkeeping coaching. It is complete piffle to say his weaknesses haven't been addressed.

Neither of Arsenal's goals were scored at the near post.


He can't be wrong, he shouted it.

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