Marc McNulty arrested for match fixing

[Sutekh]

Bit more here

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/f ... g-19005415

[Winston Biscuit]

A post elsewhere in March

https://www.hmfckickback.co.uk/index.php?/topic/187960-match-fixing/page/3/&tab=comments#comment-7759447

[royalp-we]

When you were arrested for noncing did your employer take the same view? Or did they wait for the verdict?

Don't slander me like that dickhead.

Now you know how Mark McNulty feels.

Excellent Nobbing

[Ascotexgunner]

Surely if anything this means we're stuck with him for the foreseeable. Chances are he would have left on loan in the next couple of weeks anyway, so that's not gonna happen now. No idea how long this could drag on for and we're not going to sack him unless he gets found guilty.

Agreed. It has the potential to be a nasty bit of disruption until it gets wrapped up.

I really hope he hasn’t been that much of a wally. Why does someone of his means and background get involved in spot fixing other than greed?

Why does anyone with a big income commit financial crime.... outside pressures, spending beyond their means, the rush, get in with the wrong crowd.

Or all of those could be. If he was so unhappy at the club could have put in a transfer request. We don't know the facts yet..... Is he married? Wife cleaned him out? Dunno. Sure it will come out if the story is true.

[BraisingsteakRoyal]

I used to think one or more members of the squad were doing this a few years back.

I used to sit around Y23 / hw line with my lad - and every game without fail when we kicked off we would smash the ball diagonally out to Shane Long (I think - might have been Noe Hunt) - except it’s was always @ 100mph and 3 feet over his head and would go out for a throw deep into the opposition half.

It happened too often for it to just be a sh1te tactic.

[RoyalJones]

Got to be careful with contempt of court now proceedings are active. Twitter has been especially bad with people making comments on whether he's guilty or not.

https://twitter.com/ajonesrfc/status/13 ... 8667345921

[Millsy]

Why does anyone with a big income commit financial crime....

Materialism is a drug.

Hth

[The Cube]

From soccerbase:
- Never booked for Reading.
- Not booked in the Mickey Mouse league game where he supposedly attracted bets.

So the evidence says he's not guilty of card-fixing. Or is there a market for "time of first card"? Then if someone else gets in first you wouldn't need to do so.

Of course he missed that penalty at Leeds. But we all know that's because he's just not good enough.

[Snowflake Royal]

Why does anyone with a big income commit financial crime....

Materialism is a drug.

Hth

Yeah, it was kinda rhetorical, I know the answer

[Simmops]

From soccerbase:
- Never booked for Reading.
- Not booked in the Mickey Mouse league game where he supposedly attracted bets.

So the evidence says he's not guilty of card-fixing. Or is there a market for "time of first card"? Then if someone else gets in first you wouldn't need to do so.

Of course he missed that penalty at Leeds. But we all know that's because he's just not good enough.

The evidence says he hasn't ? I wouldn't like to have you as a lawyer in my murder trial.

[Stranded]

From soccerbase:
- Never booked for Reading.
- Not booked in the Mickey Mouse league game where he supposedly attracted bets.

So the evidence says he's not guilty of card-fixing. Or is there a market for "time of first card"? Then if someone else gets in first you wouldn't need to do so.

Of course he missed that penalty at Leeds. But we all know that's because he's just not good enough.

The crime, if one has been committed, would be agreeing to try and get a card in a particular game and taking financial inducement to do so. It does not need to be successful to be a crime. For example, it is still illegal to try and commit fraud even if the fraud fails. This would fall into similar territory, if it transpires he has done so.

At the moment, he has been arrested and released without charge - so until that changes, not much more to discuss.

[Millsy]

From soccerbase:
- Never booked for Reading.
- Not booked in the Mickey Mouse league game where he supposedly attracted bets.

So the evidence says he's not guilty of card-fixing. Or is there a market for "time of first card"? Then if someone else gets in first you wouldn't need to do so.

Of course he missed that penalty at Leeds. But we all know that's because he's just not good enough.

The crime, if one has been committed, would be agreeing to try and get a card in a particular game and taking financial inducement to do so. It does not need to be successful to be a crime. For example, it is still illegal to try and commit fraud even if the fraud fails. This would fall into similar territory, if it transpires he has done so.

At the moment, he has been arrested and released without charge - so until that changes, not much more to discuss.

True, hopefully he's innocent, which as far as we are concerned at the moment he obviously is.

The Cube's point is fair though: ok so we're in no position to say what's evidence or not as we're all just pissing in the wind, but on the face of it someone is beign done for yellow card match fixing ("police are investigating bets on yellow cards being dished out to players and a number of other claims") but doesn't have a history of getting yellow cards at all, it's at least an interesting observation. It's not exactly hard to get a yellow card is it. It's nowhere even remotely close to trying to do fraud successfully. Of course we know nothing of the case so there's obviously more to it but on the face of it, it seems strange.

[Snowflake Royal]

Could maybe try to get someone else carded.

Or he's the middleman with connections who gets other players to take a card, so he's clean.

Seems a stretch. One to watch with grim interest.

[Forbury Lion]

Surely if anything this means we're stuck with him for the foreseeable. Chances are he would have left on loan in the next couple of weeks anyway, so that's not gonna happen now. No idea how long this could drag on for and we're not going to sack him unless he gets found guilty.

The level of proof required to terminate a contract may not be as high as that required to for a criminal conviction.
They could start by carrying out an investigation, asking the player to explain, If they there is enough evidence to suggest he is guilty they could make it clear it would be best all round to come to a mutual agreement to terminate his contract rather than sack him.

However, the player should be treated fairly - the same as if it was EJaria, Swift, Jao etc and not treated differently because if their current importance to the team.

[Stranded]

From soccerbase:
- Never booked for Reading.
- Not booked in the Mickey Mouse league game where he supposedly attracted bets.

So the evidence says he's not guilty of card-fixing. Or is there a market for "time of first card"? Then if someone else gets in first you wouldn't need to do so.

Of course he missed that penalty at Leeds. But we all know that's because he's just not good enough.

The crime, if one has been committed, would be agreeing to try and get a card in a particular game and taking financial inducement to do so. It does not need to be successful to be a crime. For example, it is still illegal to try and commit fraud even if the fraud fails. This would fall into similar territory, if it transpires he has done so.

At the moment, he has been arrested and released without charge - so until that changes, not much more to discuss.

True, hopefully he's innocent, which as far as we are concerned at the moment he obviously is.

The Cube's point is fair though: ok so we're in no position to say what's evidence or not as we're all just pissing in the wind, but on the face of it someone is beign done for yellow card match fixing ("police are investigating bets on yellow cards being dished out to players and a number of other claims") but doesn't have a history of getting yellow cards at all, it's at least an interesting observation. It's not exactly hard to get a yellow card is it. It's nowhere even remotely close to trying to do fraud successfully. Of course we know nothing of the case so there's obviously more to it but on the face of it, it seems strange.

Cube's point has no baring on this case or any similar. The crime has already been committed before a player enters the field of play.

[Snowflake Royal]

Surely if anything this means we're stuck with him for the foreseeable. Chances are he would have left on loan in the next couple of weeks anyway, so that's not gonna happen now. No idea how long this could drag on for and we're not going to sack him unless he gets found guilty.

The level of proof required to terminate a contract may not be as high as that required to for a criminal conviction.
They could start by carrying out an investigation, asking the player to explain, If they there is enough evidence to suggest he is guilty they could make it clear it would be best all round to come to a mutual agreement to terminate his contract rather than sack him.

However, the player should be treated fairly - the same as if it was EJaria, Swift, Jao etc and not treated differently because if their current importance to the team.

It absolutely wouldn't be a criminal burden of proof.

Bringing the club into disrepute would likely do it, and getting charged would probably cover that if the club wanted it to.

[Snowflake Royal]

The crime, if one has been committed, would be agreeing to try and get a card in a particular game and taking financial inducement to do so. It does not need to be successful to be a crime. For example, it is still illegal to try and commit fraud even if the fraud fails. This would fall into similar territory, if it transpires he has done so.

At the moment, he has been arrested and released without charge - so until that changes, not much more to discuss.

True, hopefully he's innocent, which as far as we are concerned at the moment he obviously is.

The Cube's point is fair though: ok so we're in no position to say what's evidence or not as we're all just pissing in the wind, but on the face of it someone is beign done for yellow card match fixing ("police are investigating bets on yellow cards being dished out to players and a number of other claims") but doesn't have a history of getting yellow cards at all, it's at least an interesting observation. It's not exactly hard to get a yellow card is it. It's nowhere even remotely close to trying to do fraud successfully. Of course we know nothing of the case so there's obviously more to it but on the face of it, it seems strange.

Cube's point has no baring on this case or any similar. The crime has already been committed before a player enters the field of play.

Think you're missing the point stranded.

No one is saying he can't have committed an offence because he hasn't had a yellow card.

They're saying the fact he's accused of yellow card march fixing and has not had one makes it less likely the accusation is correct, given how easy it can be to pick up a yellow. It's not proof of anything, but it does undermine the allegation somewhat.

[Millsy]

The crime, if one has been committed, would be agreeing to try and get a card in a particular game and taking financial inducement to do so. It does not need to be successful to be a crime. For example, it is still illegal to try and commit fraud even if the fraud fails. This would fall into similar territory, if it transpires he has done so.

At the moment, he has been arrested and released without charge - so until that changes, not much more to discuss.

True, hopefully he's innocent, which as far as we are concerned at the moment he obviously is.

The Cube's point is fair though: ok so we're in no position to say what's evidence or not as we're all just pissing in the wind, but on the face of it someone is beign done for yellow card match fixing ("police are investigating bets on yellow cards being dished out to players and a number of other claims") but doesn't have a history of getting yellow cards at all, it's at least an interesting observation. It's not exactly hard to get a yellow card is it. It's nowhere even remotely close to trying to do fraud successfully. Of course we know nothing of the case so there's obviously more to it but on the face of it, it seems strange.

Cube's point has no baring on this case or any similar. The crime has already been committed before a player enters the field of play.

Technically yes of course.... if there's for example written evidence or footage etc of him planning to fix yellow cards obvioiusly it means absolutely nothing that he ended up not getting any yellow cards.

I'm just saying that at this point in the case, from the little we know, it certainly is somewhat interesting at the very least that he's being done for fake yellow cards, having never received a yellow card. Just raises some eyebrows.

But of course it will have no bearing on the case as they clearly have much more to go on, especially as he had no yellows. In fact, it makees it much more likely that there's much more incriminating stuff because stupid as pigs are they're not that stupid.

I should stop commentingon this though, innocent until guilty, it's not fair for me to make add to speculation.

[linkenholtroyal]

Apparently off on loan to Dundee United for the season (source Daily Record)

[Forbury Lion]

Apparently off on loan to Dundee United for the season (source Daily Record)

Worth a cheeky bet on him getting a yellow card on his debut?