Dai Yongee and Dayong Pang don't care

[elrey]

Be very careful what you wish for in terms of slating the owners. Money is off the scale that has been pumped in.

The angst towards them should be around visibility and the appointment of poor people around them. Simple fix if he listened. Get the likes of Coppell and Mcdermott in and job done, fans would be satisfied.

If he pulls the plug, be very fearful of the future.

Agreed it is not the owners that are necessarily the problem it is the structure that has ben put in place below them. Football teams need football minded people to oversee them.

I think fans should push for a German style system where fans get a 50% say in what goes on at clubs. Really clubs shouldn't have "owners", they should be a community thing, run by the community for the community. They should be focused on getting kids playing sport, focused on providing things for those in the community with a team at the top of that structure that pays its own way.

[Coppells Lost Coat]

The people who can afford football clubs - looking mainly at multi billionaires, got themselves there by either 2 reasons.
Inherited it or being heartless cut throats in the business world.
You cant have it both ways. Has Dai lost interest? Probably not, he will keep his assets safe.
Is he frustrated and wont fix issues which he cannot control - yes. When Dai can do things that he has control over he will act.

The only thing Dai is guilty of is surrounding the club with people wanting to make a quick buck and now they have the claws in sucking the life away from us.

If FFP disappeared tomorrow i think he would do what needs to be done and hire / fire the positions required.
If he was to sack people now, pay the compensation and take us beyond our spend agreement with EFL, trigger more points deducted. Thus putting us in a peril situation with relegation, he wont do that as his asset would be valued down drastically.

At the moment, the way i see it - Dai not spending any money is keeping us from a further points deduction.
Next season if he continues to not spend we would need some explanation.

[Millsy]

A huge part of the defence of previous owners was that we were investing money into the long-term infrastructure of the club such that the season by season fluctuations were far far less important.

Now we have owners who have put in enormous funds into the infrastructure for long-term gain and people are saying they need to go because we're lower down the table short-term than where we'd like to be.

The criticism is understandable to a degree but mostly ridiculous.

One of the reasons the Chinese have grown leaps and bounds compared to stangant/faltering western nations is that they seem to have a much longer term understanding of success. It totally wouldn't surprise me if they don't give a toss about short-term fluctuations down to league one if their longer-term plan is on course. So do they care? Obviously. Do they care about short term issues of Pauno, possible relegation, etc... Possibly not as much.

[CountryRoyal]

One of the reasons the Chinese have grown leaps and bounds compared to stangant/faltering western nations is that they seem to have a much longer term understanding of success. It totally wouldn't surprise me if they don't give a toss about short-term fluctuations down to league one if their longer-term plan is on course. So do they care? Obviously. Do they care about short term issues of Pauno, possible relegation, etc... Possibly not as much.

Yeahhhhh that’s definitely not it

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Be very careful what you wish for in terms of slating the owners. Money is off the scale that has been pumped in.

The angst towards them should be around visibility and the appointment of poor people around them. Simple fix if he listened. Get the likes of Coppell and Mcdermott in and job done, fans would be satisfied.

If he pulls the plug, be very fearful of the future.

Agreed it is not the owners that are necessarily the problem it is the structure that has ben put in place below them. Football teams need football minded people to oversee them.

It's down to the owners to appoint those people though and I've stated it somewhere, we've had Ron Gourlay who had been at top level football for 25 years as our CEO as well as Nigel Howe who was at the club for 20+ years as our Vice-Chairman with Brian Tevreden as our Director of Football. Ultimately, these are experienced, footballing people and yet it's still failed to work under their leadership, depending on what footballing decisions were made under them.

We all revolted at the thought of Gourlay, myself included, but he knew his stuff really, do it does make me think the influence is coming from elsewhere (i.e. Kia), so ultimately it doesn't matter what footballing people you have in the structure below if it's going to get sanctioned by someone else.

[Dirk Gently]

When you put something like £250m into a club to improve facilities and look to make the club a commercially stronger club across all fronts, you can hardly say they don't care, particularly the owners. From a footballing perspective we've wasted a lot of money due to our recruitment not working out, our squad not being able to harmonise correctly as well as the squad being pretty imbalanced of the best part of 3/4 years now.

If our owners walked tomorrow we'd be in far deeper trouble than what Derby are.

100%

Not sure about the comparison with Derby. They owed a secured loan plus lots of money to other clubs. We don't; we only owe the owners who have put in subordinated debt that would come last after all other liabilities were paid.

If the owners walked or simply stopped putting in money, we may rack up debts in player wages and associated HMRC amounts, but this would be small fry for a new owner to settle compared with the amounts Derby owe.

But who would give us credit to rack up thoise debts before any new owner came in? No banks would touch us with a bargepole, and HMRC take a very hard sttance with football clubs these days (and rightly so - it's our money as tax-payers they're chasing).

If the current owner walked or simply stopped putting in money, we'd be in administration within a week. Our only alternative would be the sort of illegal loan we took out a few years ago, and that wouldn't last for long.

And what if the current woner insisted any new buyer paid off the debts owing to him. That would ensure no new buyer...

[Silver Fox]

HMRC take a very hard sttance with football clubs these days

Unless they're called Derby

[blythspartan]

I see that the twat Gourlay is the new CEO of WBA. They’ll be oxf*rd in 5 years time.

[Millsy]

I see that the twat Gourlay is the new CEO of WBA. They’ll be oxf*rd in 5 years time.

Haha yeah saw that - karma for taking Carroll off us.

[Snowflake Royal]

Be very careful what you wish for in terms of slating the owners. Money is off the scale that has been pumped in.

The angst towards them should be around visibility and the appointment of poor people around them. Simple fix if he listened. Get the likes of Coppell and Mcdermott in and job done, fans would be satisfied.

If he pulls the plug, be very fearful of the future.

Oh good. Someone who pumps in loads of money but still has us utter shite. All our dreams are answered.

[RoyalBlue]

If you want us to survive the drop you'll try and encourage Warnock to come in with a great staying up bonus.

If you do sod all we will go down. There will be protests about you and you'll never be welcome at the ground again. Dont care how much you've spent. You have no clue

I wish people would lay off the Warnock will save us cries. Have you not seen how he achieves his successes? As far as I can see, there is nothing at all in his past to suggest he can come in and turn things around when he is stuck with what is already at the club in terms of player resources and can't make any changes at all to that. He hasn't even got a big squad to enable him to shuffle around the players we do have.

[RoyalBlue]

Who knows what's going on in their heads, but certainly the silence does come across like just apathy, like they have given up and have much bigger fish to fry in China.

Would we imagine Sir John just not saying or doing anything about the situtaion?

My recollection (maybe I'm wrong) is that he used to be a fair bit less vocal when things weren't going well.

[RoyalBlue]

A huge part of the defence of previous owners was that we were investing money into the long-term infrastructure of the club such that the season by season fluctuations were far far less important.

Now we have owners who have put in enormous funds into the infrastructure for long-term gain and people are saying they need to go because we're lower down the table short-term than where we'd like to be.

The criticism is understandable to a degree but mostly ridiculous.

One of the reasons the Chinese have grown leaps and bounds compared to stangant/faltering western nations is that they seem to have a much longer term understanding of success. It totally wouldn't surprise me if they don't give a toss about short-term fluctuations down to league one if their longer-term plan is on course. So do they care? Obviously. Do they care about short term issues of Pauno, possible relegation, etc... Possibly not as much.

Good, inciteful, post IMO.

[Mid Sussex Royal]

Clearly neither give a shit about us. Discuss

Assume this is a wind up but the owners have put millions into the club and built an amazing Academy/training facility. Their issue is that they have listened to the wrong people and wasted huge amounts of money on the wrong players as a result - but to say they don't care is ridiculous.

If fans get on their backs too much they could walk - as they have with their two other clubs - and then we are screwed.

Yeah, who was it who made the decision to refuse Moore's transfer to Brighton? Dai
Who was it who told Goulay (who had been dallying) to give Moore an improved contract? Dai
Who was it who appointed Gourlay? Dai
Who was it who authorised that godawful announcement about Moore on the website? Dai
Who was it that told Paunovic he couldn't play Moore? Dai
Who was it who won't sack Paunovic? Dai
Who was it who oversaw us spending 200%+ of our income on wages? Dai
Who was it who oversaw the club getting a points deduction? Dai?
Who was it who oversaw three years of transfer embargos? Dai

Can't walk soon enough.

Who was it who funded Bearwood and has sunk millions into the club?

[The Green Programme]

When you put something like £250m into a club to improve facilities and look to make the club a commercially stronger club across all fronts, you can hardly say they don't care, particularly the owners. From a footballing perspective we've wasted a lot of money due to our recruitment not working out, our squad not being able to harmonise correctly as well as the squad being pretty imbalanced of the best part of 3/4 years now.

If our owners walked tomorrow we'd be in far deeper trouble than what Derby are.

No we would not.

Things just do not operate on that basis.

The reason why Derby are in a terrible position is because the owner lacks the wealth to cover the liabilities that he chose to allow during his tenure.

Liabilities of such a scale are covered by personal guarantees; backed with security; usually over the land and assets of the shareholder/directors who own the Club.

The problem was/is that Derby’s existing owner did not have the wealth to repay the debt to HMRC (30 ‘million)

Our owners will also have provided personal guarantees but they have huge wealth; certainly significant enough to pay off debt.

If they choose to walk away, without selling; they will have to repay the debt that they have guaranteed; from their own resources.

And if they sell; the new owners take on the Club debts and the current owners begin again elsewhere, free from the Club’s creditors.

Our owners have invested huge sums in our Club and it’s facilities.

They have invested more than any person has ever done at any time throughout the entire history of Club.

Please can we get a grip on these things.

[TiagoIlori]

The thing that worries me the most about Dai is the money laundering thing I remember Dai being accused of, he works closely with Kia who also is accused of money laundering and we are obviously spending large sums of this money in small periods of time. If this is true and Dai does get caught by U.K. authorities somehow god knows what it means for us as a club.

[Snowflake Royal]

Assume this is a wind up but the owners have put millions into the club and built an amazing Academy/training facility. Their issue is that they have listened to the wrong people and wasted huge amounts of money on the wrong players as a result - but to say they don't care is ridiculous.

If fans get on their backs too much they could walk - as they have with their two other clubs - and then we are screwed.

Yeah, who was it who made the decision to refuse Moore's transfer to Brighton? Dai
Who was it who told Goulay (who had been dallying) to give Moore an improved contract? Dai
Who was it who appointed Gourlay? Dai
Who was it who authorised that godawful announcement about Moore on the website? Dai
Who was it that told Paunovic he couldn't play Moore? Dai
Who was it who won't sack Paunovic? Dai
Who was it who oversaw us spending 200%+ of our income on wages? Dai
Who was it who oversaw the club getting a points deduction? Dai?
Who was it who oversaw three years of transfer embargos? Dai

Can't walk soon enough.

Who was it who funded Bearwood and has sunk millions into the club?

Woo. Not only have they made us shit, they spent loads doing it. But we'll have an excellent training ground in L2

[SouthDownsRoyal]

Be very careful what you wish for in terms of slating the owners. Money is off the scale that has been pumped in.

The angst towards them should be around visibility and the appointment of poor people around them. Simple fix if he listened. Get the likes of Coppell and Mcdermott in and job done, fans would be satisfied.

If he pulls the plug, be very fearful of the future.

Agreed it is not the owners that are necessarily the problem it is the structure that has ben put in place below them. Football teams need football minded people to oversee them.

I think fans should push for a German style system where fans get a 50% say in what goes on at clubs. Really clubs shouldn't have "owners", they should be a community thing, run by the community for the community. They should be focused on getting kids playing sport, focused on providing things for those in the community with a team at the top of that structure that pays its own way.

Yeah, that’ll happen

[WestYorksRoyal]

A huge part of the defence of previous owners was that we were investing money into the long-term infrastructure of the club such that the season by season fluctuations were far far less important.

Now we have owners who have put in enormous funds into the infrastructure for long-term gain and people are saying they need to go because we're lower down the table short-term than where we'd like to be.

The criticism is understandable to a degree but mostly ridiculous.

One of the reasons the Chinese have grown leaps and bounds compared to stangant/faltering western nations is that they seem to have a much longer term understanding of success. It totally wouldn't surprise me if they don't give a toss about short-term fluctuations down to league one if their longer-term plan is on course. So do they care? Obviously. Do they care about short term issues of Pauno, possible relegation, etc... Possibly not as much.

So genuine question - could we bottom out in 2 - 3 years in L1 or even L2 but rebuild under the current owners with them having learnt their lesson? I'm not sold unless they get a proper management structure in place with a knowledgeable CEO and DoF.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

When you put something like £250m into a club to improve facilities and look to make the club a commercially stronger club across all fronts, you can hardly say they don't care, particularly the owners. From a footballing perspective we've wasted a lot of money due to our recruitment not working out, our squad not being able to harmonise correctly as well as the squad being pretty imbalanced of the best part of 3/4 years now.

If our owners walked tomorrow we'd be in far deeper trouble than what Derby are.

If they choose to walk away, without selling; they will have to repay the debt that they have guaranteed; from their own resources.

And then we would have no owners and debt that isn't credited to the Dai's would then stack up and up and up again. Who pays for the stadium, the players, the staff, the training ground etc? If the Dai's walked and wrote off all the debts he owed to the club, that leaves us without an owner and then the club wracking up more debt.