Dai Yongge Out

[Orion1871]

...and yet couldn't sell up quick enough once they'd separated the land from the club.

Being better than Zingarevich isn't a glowing reference.

Selling isn't being a bad owner.

Separating the land from the club then selling the club aren't the actions of a good owner. Yes they rescued us from the TSI shambles but it was clear from day 1 they didn't really have any money to invest.

I'm not trying to judge who was a better owner than the other, Just that since 2012, none of our owners have ultimately operated in the best interests of the club.

A cobbled together consortium of businessmen scraping together the funds to buy the club, undertaking a land grab then selling up to the first person to come sniffing around may be better than a fantasist spending daddy's money or an oligarch pissing money up a wall but I wouldn't describe them as "fine". They had fcuk all money.

Send out a little old lady to do your PR and people will seemingly swallow anything.

[Snowflake Royal]

oxf*rd excusing the pcunt for trusting the wrong people. He has directly and repeatedly made poor decisions on his own.

[From Despair To Where?]

I don't buy this Kia is still pulling the strings nonsense either. Division 1 journeymen aren't really his thing.

[RoyalBlue]

How much debt we in? Can't be an attractive purchase for someone

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

[tidus_mi2]

How much debt we in? Can't be an attractive purchase for someone

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

Yeah, this is largely my point of view as well.

[Snowflake Royal]

How much debt we in? Can't be an attractive purchase for someone

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

You couldn’t stand Madejski, so I'm not listening to you.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

How much debt we in? Can't be an attractive purchase for someone

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

The one thing I can't get my head around is how he (Dai) thought we were going to reach the PL, obviously breaking the rules like we did. At any point of the 3/4 year spell, did he stop to think, is this actually working?

It's not as if we were anywhere near either, bar Pauno's season which was last chance saloon. But before that, when he gave contracts to players like Baldock, Gunter, McCleary etc, did he ever think to himself, we are in a relegation battle almost every year, it isn't working, should we maybe change our approach? Obviously we all know the answer, but that's what I can't understand.

[Royal_jimmy]

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

The one thing I can't get my head around is how he (Dai) thought we were going to reach the PL, obviously breaking the rules like we did. At any point of the 3/4 year spell, did he stop to think, is this actually working?

It's not as if we were anywhere near either, bar Pauno's season which was last chance saloon. But before that, when he gave contracts to players like Baldock, Gunter, McCleary etc, did he ever think to himself, we are in a relegation battle almost every year, it isn't working, should we maybe change our approach? Obviously we all know the answer, but that's what I can't understand.

Bad advisors like Kia Joorabchian who have leeched off us big time

[Royal_jimmy]

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

Yeah, this is largely my point of view as well.

We'll have the nicest training ground in league one and we don't own it

[tmesis]

All to the owner, almost every club has large debt.

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

The one thing I can't get my head around is how he (Dai) thought we were going to reach the PL, obviously breaking the rules like we did. At any point of the 3/4 year spell, did he stop to think, is this actually working?

It's not as if we were anywhere near either, bar Pauno's season which was last chance saloon. But before that, when he gave contracts to players like Baldock, Gunter, McCleary etc, did he ever think to himself, we are in a relegation battle almost every year, it isn't working, should we maybe change our approach? Obviously we all know the answer, but that's what I can't understand.

He's known to be a gambler, so maybe he just has that gambler's problem in thinking another gamble is the best way to pay off debts.

It also looks like we knew we'd only be able to put out a very weak squad this year if we stuck to the business plan, so we gambled on breaking it, a bit, hoping we'd get enough points to stop the six point deduction taking us down.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

I suspect there aren't that (m)any at League 1 level with debts as large as ours, So unless Mr Dai is prepared to walk away and wipe off all/a large chunk of the debt, we won't be an attractive and/or viable purchase for any prospective buyers.

IMO people should be careful what they wish for. Mr Dai has made some poor decisions (one of the worst being not getting rid of Ince sooner) but he has been badly advised. He has sunk a great deal of money into our club in the pursuit of success and some of it has been to the significant furtherment of the club e.g. fantastic training facilities.

The one thing I can't get my head around is how he (Dai) thought we were going to reach the PL, obviously breaking the rules like we did. At any point of the 3/4 year spell, did he stop to think, is this actually working?

It's not as if we were anywhere near either, bar Pauno's season which was last chance saloon. But before that, when he gave contracts to players like Baldock, Gunter, McCleary etc, did he ever think to himself, we are in a relegation battle almost every year, it isn't working, should we maybe change our approach? Obviously we all know the answer, but that's what I can't understand.

Bad advisors like Kia Joorabchian who have leeched off us big time

Surely there comes a point where you realise the advice is bad? Like when someone is telling you that these people are going to lead the club to success and we are looking for a way to try and stay in the division?

Any competent business owner, director, management team etc would sit down and look to change that. I suppose that's the footballing industry though.

[Royal_jimmy]

He is a gambler indeed, he's gambled all the clubs he owned and 2 have gone bust. Although unlikely, we can't rule out that we'll be his hatrick of clubs he's folded. The thing that annoys me is that the Premier League didn't let him but Hull City yet the EFL were happy to let him buy us.

[Royal_jimmy]

Predict protests against him if we struggle next season too. He's ruining us

[Orion1871]

Predict protests against him if we struggle next season too. He's ruining us

There's a 24 page thread on here about what people were looking forward to about being relegated. Can you imagine the abuse someone on the Sheffield Wednesday or Derby forums would get for posting that?

There will be no significant protests, this isn't a passionate town that cares about it's football club, we just don't have a huge amount of fans who care enough.

[Royal_jimmy]

Predict protests against him if we struggle next season too. He's ruining us

There's a 24 page thread on here about what people were looking forward to about being relegated. Can you imagine the abuse someone on the Sheffield Wednesday or Derby forums would get for posting that?

There will be no significant protests, this isn't a passionate town that cares about it's football club, we just don't have a huge amount of fans who care enough.

I don't think many posters were looking forward to relegation somehow. Just trying to find the best things about it. Big whoop beating nothing clubs at home and seeing us win yes.

Believe me with C1871 and the fans in there I think the passion to the club from the fan base has increased and if we see further decline there will be protests.

For everyones good Dai better learn from this, otherwise things will get ugly real quick. It's evident from the Wigan game that there's great support for this football club

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Predict protests against him if we struggle next season too. He's ruining us

There's a 24 page thread on here about what people were looking forward to about being relegated. Can you imagine the abuse someone on the Sheffield Wednesday or Derby forums would get for posting that?

There will be no significant protests, this isn't a passionate town that cares about it's football club, we just don't have a huge amount of fans who care enough.

The fanbase isn't as big by any means, but we've already had protests previously for poor running of the club. I wouldn't be too surprised if it happened again next season if we were to be in a poor situation on and off the field again. I'm hopeful that won't be the case.

[tidus_mi2]

Yeah, not sure what the Dai Outs are hoping to achieve, it would be great to have a SJM with deeper pockets but those are few and far between. Ultimately when I looked last night we have a debt of about £100m most of which is to the owner, if he wants to get out of the club there are two options:

Sell the club, good luck finding someone who wants to pay at least £100m for a League One side, he could write off some or all of the debt to just get rid
Go into administration and lose everything that is invested into the club.

So I don't think that happens, if he has truly learned from the mistakes of the past, listens to people like Bowen, then we might ultimately rebuild and bounce back stronger as a club but considering how long he gave Ince before dropping the axe, I'm still very skeptical.

[Millsy]

Yeah, not sure what the Dai Outs are hoping to achieve, it would be great to have a SJM with deeper pockets but those are few and far between. Ultimately when I looked last night we have a debt of about £100m most of which is to the owner, if he wants to get out of the club there are two options:

Sell the club, good luck finding someone who wants to pay at least £100m for a League One side, he could write off some or all of the debt to just get rid
Go into administration and lose everything that is invested into the club.

So I don't think that happens, if he has truly learned from the mistakes of the past, listens to people like Bowen, then we might ultimately rebuild and bounce back stronger as a club but considering how long he gave Ince before dropping the axe, I'm still very skeptical.

That’s the problem, I agree. This isn’t a case of a couple of mistakes against a background of sane behaviour. Not just Ince but years of bullshit bizarre manager appointments, dodgy agents, zero interaction with fans. He’d have to basically transform into a completely different person.

It’s comforting to think that he may listen to Bowen but even if he does, with all respect to Bowen it’s far too much pressure to put on the shoulders of one man, who we are also just assuming is some sort of über genius.

Honestly the best case scenario is for him to piss off as soon as possible. Very long shot but the absolute best case scenario would be for him to cut his losses, and let someone come in who has an ounce of business sense.

Not outside the realms of possibility. Huge catchment, near London, perfect side to propel to enduring success.

[Sutekh]

Selling isn't being a bad owner.

Separating the land from the club then selling the club aren't the actions of a good owner. Yes they rescued us from the TSI shambles but it was clear from day 1 they didn't really have any money to invest.

I'm not trying to judge who was a better owner than the other, Just that since 2012, none of our owners have ultimately operated in the best interests of the club.

A cobbled together consortium of businessmen scraping together the funds to buy the club, undertaking a land grab then selling up to the first person to come sniffing around may be better than a fantasist spending daddy's money or an oligarch pissing money up a wall but I wouldn't describe them as "fine". They had fcuk all money.

Send out a little old lady to do your PR and people will seemingly swallow anything.

I blame SJM, if he hadn’t have fallen for the Russian scam he might have attracted that nice Thai gentleman (Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha) who owned stables down at Newbury to buy the club and things might have been very different indeed!

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Yeah, not sure what the Dai Outs are hoping to achieve, it would be great to have a SJM with deeper pockets but those are few and far between. Ultimately when I looked last night we have a debt of about £100m most of which is to the owner, if he wants to get out of the club there are two options:

Sell the club, good luck finding someone who wants to pay at least £100m for a League One side, he could write off some or all of the debt to just get rid
Go into administration and lose everything that is invested into the club.

So I don't think that happens, if he has truly learned from the mistakes of the past, listens to people like Bowen, then we might ultimately rebuild and bounce back stronger as a club but considering how long he gave Ince before dropping the axe, I'm still very skeptical.

That’s the problem, I agree. This isn’t a case of a couple of mistakes against a background of sane behaviour. Not just Ince but years of bullshit bizarre manager appointments, dodgy agents, zero interaction with fans. He’d have to basically transform into a completely different person.

It’s comforting to think that he may listen to Bowen but even if he does, with all respect to Bowen it’s far too much pressure to put on the shoulders of one man, who we are also just assuming is some sort of über genius.

Honestly the best case scenario is for him to piss off as soon as possible. Very long shot but the absolute best case scenario would be for him to cut his losses, and let someone come in who has an ounce of business sense.

Yep agree with that. He's obviously willing to invest, that's not so much the problem but if he really wanted to build something special, like he mentioned when first buying us (and when he tried to buy Hull) then he will be clearing his debts and we will see genuine improvement.

Agree on Bowen as well. People seem to think that, just because we have people in these positions, that means they are going to be successful and they are good at what they do. Bowen has said the right things and yes, I am genuinely confident that he will do as well as possible in the role, but that doesn't mean that he will do, or that he's even especially good as the Head of Football Operations. Time will tell, if we are in the bottom half of League One next season, he will come under a hell of a lot of pressure.