BFTG - Burton

[SouthDownsRoyal]

No lack of effort just quality we have to except we need a miracle to stay up. There will be more points deducted we will not win any away games this season, we can’t buy anyone and in reality the young players are not all that.

but apart from that, we’re alright yeah?

[WestYorksRoyal]

Think sometime tbe problem with football is a goal just changes all perception of how the match went. We had enough chances to score and should have done - Kelv, Azeez, Binden all had decent chances. The keeper made some solid saves for them

Had a goal gone in then it’s a solid performance in which we dominated throughout. If we don’t then it’s Selles to blame

I didn’t think Selles did a lot wrong. My only gripe really was Ballard should have come on sooner - but as mentioned the time when he’d normally be brought on - 50m to 65m was when we looked our most dangerous

Should have won, usual expected failings - Kelv inexperienced, Azeez seemingly unable to get a goal, Ballard small and inexperienced - main reason we didn’t

Oh other thing - set pieces not good enough. Stop the floaty shit, Get Carson or Azeez to hit them in at pace

Lots of pressure on Smith when he returns. If he can get 1 in 3 or 1 in 2 that's a game changer.

[SouthDownsRoyal]

I go back to how inexperienced Selles [is]

We know we're in trouble when this is the most convincing defence we can muster up for a manager.

So glad we got someone inexperienced and out of his depth in this situation.

Our choice was between inexperience or a flawed record. Experienced managers with good records don't drop down to L1. No doubt if we'd appointed a manager with recent failure on their CV we'd be ready to sharpen the knives too.

Can we please be less negative about Selles

[CountryRoyal]

We know we're in trouble when this is the most convincing defence we can muster up for a manager.

So glad we got someone inexperienced and out of his depth in this situation.

Our choice was between inexperience or a flawed record. Experienced managers with good records don't drop down to L1. No doubt if we'd appointed a manager with recent failure on their CV we'd be ready to sharpen the knives too.

Can we please be less negative about Selles

Can you please stfu with your inane dribblings.

[SouthDownsRoyal]

Our choice was between inexperience or a flawed record. Experienced managers with good records don't drop down to L1. No doubt if we'd appointed a manager with recent failure on their CV we'd be ready to sharpen the knives too.

Can we please be less negative about Selles

Can you please stfu with your inane dribblings.

People in glass houses and all that

[Royal_jimmy]

Wonder if Burton's remaining travelling fans have found the SCL yet

[Vision]

Not getting on Selles’ case here but genuinely feel great parts of our game were despite him rather than because of him I.e. thanks to individual moments of brilliance across the park. Players seemed clueless as a unit.

Bbcrb posed the question what would happen if you just threw those people on the pitch with no system and said “you’re good players, work it out yourself” suggesting they’d probably do better.

Sounds harsh because tbf there’s a lot of man managemen, encouragement, training, motivation etc which I’m sure Selles brings to the party but tbf I can see where the question came from.

I can't remember the last time I went to / watched a game and thought a manager had a plan for us scoring and winning other than hoofing it at a target man, or passing until someone does something amazing.

I do see patterns of play developing though. We got into a few really good situations yesterday but the final ball or decision making making wasn't quite there.

It just doesn't happen often enough at the moment but hopefully that will come with experience and a more settled side. On that last point Selles came out after the Exeter 9-0 saying he doesn't look at a first 11 but a whole squad of 25. As much as that might be considered a strength in some ways it also creates issues in terms of continuity.

It's often said in criticism that some managers don't know their best 11 but I'm pretty sure Selles has no idea not just of his best 11 but also which of his squad of 25 are his best option on any given day.

Hate to say it because he's so young and we really shouldn't be relying so much on him but Vickers really does help link things up far better than someone like Azeez. Azeez much like Knibbs look like players who are good at getting into decent positions but don't really help in building up play. That's why I'm hoping Elliott gets an extended run more centrally because (along with Wing) I think he has the capability to dictate play for us in a more positive way.

[Snowflake Royal]

Not getting on Selles’ case here but genuinely feel great parts of our game were despite him rather than because of him I.e. thanks to individual moments of brilliance across the park. Players seemed clueless as a unit.

Bbcrb posed the question what would happen if you just threw those people on the pitch with no system and said “you’re good players, work it out yourself” suggesting they’d probably do better.

Sounds harsh because tbf there’s a lot of man managemen, encouragement, training, motivation etc which I’m sure Selles brings to the party but tbf I can see where the question came from.

I can't remember the last time I went to / watched a game and thought a manager had a plan for us scoring and winning other than hoofing it at a target man, or passing until someone does something amazing.

I do see patterns of play developing though. We got into a few really good situations yesterday but the final ball or decision making making wasn't quite there.

It just doesn't happen often enough at the moment but hopefully that will come with experience and a more settled side. On that last point Selles came out after the Exeter 9-0 saying he doesn't look at a first 11 but a whole squad of 25. As much as that might be considered a strength in some ways it also creates issues in terms of continuity.

It's often said in criticism that some managers don't know their best 11 but I'm pretty sure Selles has no idea not just of his best 11 but also which of his squad of 25 are his best option on any given day.

Hate to say it because he's so young and we really shouldn't be relying so much on him but Vickers really does help link things up far better than someone like Azeez. Azeez much like Knibbs look like players who are good at getting into decent positions but don't really help in building up play. That's why I'm hoping Elliott gets an extended run more centrally because (along with Wing) I think he has the capability to dictate play for us in a more positive way.

Yeah, Vickers is one of those special players who just doesn't seem to be affected by the occasion, circumstances or stage. He just wants to get the ball down, run at people and make things happen. I look at him and I see a player enjoying his football and making good instinctive decisions.

[Royals and Racers]

Was anything said as why Vickers was missing on Saturday ?

[WestYorksRoyal]

Was anything said as why Vickers was missing on Saturday ?

Sickness. Shouldn't be long.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Frustrating result but positives to be taken from the game no less, looked to create just had the final ball missing that's all. Stopped by a few smart saves from their keeper as well, could have easily been a different outcome and outlook on another day. Obviously disappointing not to win, but at least it wasn't poor.

Just need someone with a little bit more cuteness in and around the box to create something. Vickers looks the most likely to do something like that and we've always wanted Ejaria to do something similar but never seems to deliver. Don't necessarily agree when people say we shouldn't be relying on Vickers because of his age, if he's good enough and he can offer something, then get him playing.

[Hound]

We were pretty reliant on Olise when he was here tbf

Definitely was a miss Saturday. Hopefully back for the next game

[Franchise FC]

We were pretty reliant on Olise when he was here tbf

Definitely was a miss Saturday. Hopefully back for the next game

We’re getting Olise on loan outside the window

[tidus_mi2]

Hopefully everything clicks soon otherwise will the confidence drop? We play some good stuff at times, and really should have won this game but the decision making seems off at times. Sometimes we just keep passing it around endlessly in the midfield, sometimes we immediately do some low percentage ball to nowhere.

[morganb]

Just curious - what was the formation on Saturday and how many of those players were square pegs in round holes (for example, Bindon the CB playing at RB)?

Then did we have any round pegs available to fill those round holes?

Do we think Selles is going down the same route we've seen from previous managers where he shoehorns players into the team even though there are more suitable ones available to him, or was this an experimental one-off?

[Snowflake Royal]

Hopefully everything clicks soon otherwise will the confidence drop? We play some good stuff at times, and really should have won this game but the decision making seems off at times. Sometimes we just keep passing it around endlessly in the midfield, sometimes we immediately do some low percentage ball to nowhere.

It's already noticeably dropped imo.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Just curious - what was the formation on Saturday and how many of those players were square pegs in round holes (for example, Bindon the CB playing at RB)?

Then did we have any round pegs available to fill those round holes?

Do we think Selles is going down the same route we've seen from previous managers where he shoehorns players into the team even though there are more suitable ones available to him, or was this an experimental one-off?

I'd say this was a one off until proven otherwise. I have no issues with using players in different positions than what is considered their natural one, as players can adapt and it can work where players perform better/well in a different position.

I think a lot of it comes down to the individual though. It shouldn't be frowned upon to have some players playing outside their best positions, although it also has to be effective for them and the team as well. If it's clearly not working, then obviously it needs to be changed.

[Snowflake Royal]

Just curious - what was the formation on Saturday and how many of those players were square pegs in round holes (for example, Bindon the CB playing at RB)?

Then did we have any round pegs available to fill those round holes?

Do we think Selles is going down the same route we've seen from previous managers where he shoehorns players into the team even though there are more suitable ones available to him, or was this an experimental one-off?

I'd say this was a one off until proven otherwise. I have no issues with using players in different positions than what is considered their natural one, as players can adapt and it can work where players perform better/well in a different position.

I think a lot of it comes down to the individual though. It shouldn't be frowned upon to have some players playing outside their best positions, although it also has to be effective for them and the team as well. If it's clearly not working, then obviously it needs to be changed.

Bindon RB was definitely a square peg in a round hole which didn't work. And we had two alternatives on the bench, with another in the full squad.

Azeez doesn't really have a nailed down position, but he started upfront so that's more a roughly carved peg in a round hole.

Rushesha also got brought on a RW which he absolutely isn’t, just because he's a willin lg runner with RB experience.

Sometimes emergencies happen. Some players are utility players who can play in multiple positions. But we really should stick to specialists unless there is a very good reason not to. And there wasn't v Burton.

[Hound]

The only one out of expected position was Binden. He did fairly well overall

No major issue with it really, esp if Yiadom not fully fit. Could have played Abrefa but not sure how he has been getting on in u21 games

Rushesha only came on as Kelv had cramp

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Just curious - what was the formation on Saturday and how many of those players were square pegs in round holes (for example, Bindon the CB playing at RB)?

Then did we have any round pegs available to fill those round holes?

Do we think Selles is going down the same route we've seen from previous managers where he shoehorns players into the team even though there are more suitable ones available to him, or was this an experimental one-off?

I'd say this was a one off until proven otherwise. I have no issues with using players in different positions than what is considered their natural one, as players can adapt and it can work where players perform better/well in a different position.

I think a lot of it comes down to the individual though. It shouldn't be frowned upon to have some players playing outside their best positions, although it also has to be effective for them and the team as well. If it's clearly not working, then obviously it needs to be changed.

Bindon RB was definitely a square peg in a round hole which didn't work. And we had two alternatives on the bench, with another in the full squad.

Azeez doesn't really have a nailed down position, but he started upfront so that's more a roughly carved peg in a round hole.

Rushesha also got brought on a RW which he absolutely isn’t, just because he's a willin lg runner with RB experience.

Sometimes emergencies happen. Some players are utility players who can play in multiple positions. But we really should stick to specialists unless there is a very good reason not to. And there wasn't v Burton.

I do think we read into specific positions too much, it's not so much their starting position on paper, but role in the team. Now I didn't watch the game so can't really comment, however Bindon's role may have been to play as a CB, in a RB position. So we attack down the left side, allowing the LB to get forward whilst Bindon tucks round to make a 3rd defender, for example.

Azeez again, he can be used as a CF or a wide player, but I suspect what he will be asking to do will be playing to his strengths in the team. That doesn't always work and doesn't always look like it was ever tried, but it's not always that easy. I.e. Azeez is quick, so I can imagine we will look to utilise his pace either out wide or as a CF.

It's still early days for Selles and I suspect there is still a good amount of experimentation ongoing with the players. Especially with young players where their traits can be adapted to a certain position that they don't actually play.