Sorry, but I am already pissed off with Seol

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by Royal Rother » 13 Aug 2007 09:48

Royal Lady Knocking one of your own players on the first game of a season, where we picked up a point that certainly I didn't expect, is pretty sad if you ask me.

If it had been any different from much of his contribution in the 2nd half of last season I would accept your point, but it wasn't, therefore I don't.

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by Rawlie19 » 13 Aug 2007 09:55

Seal wasn't booed today from what I could hear. And groaning isn't the same as booing you know. People might have let out a groan everytime he did something wrong, or didn't do something he should have, but I thnk we're quite in our rights to do that. Don't remember any booing.

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by Royal Lady » 13 Aug 2007 10:01

Rawlie19 Seal wasn't booed today from what I could hear. And groaning isn't the same as booing you know. People might have let out a groan everytime he did something wrong, or didn't do something he should have, but I thnk we're quite in our rights to do that. Don't remember any booing.
Who mentioned booing?

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by Smoking Kills Dancing Doe » 13 Aug 2007 10:11

I'd rather have De La playing right wing away from home to be honest. Seol's performance was the complete opposite of what Coppell looks for in a player, many more lazy performances and Coppell will give up on him.

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by Royalee » 13 Aug 2007 10:15

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rabidbee What's the point? I've already written about the positive contributions of Seol today on a different thread. It's overlooked, it was overlooked last year, it will continue to be overlooked this year, and it is clearly Seol's fault that Coppell is incapable of seeing how bad a player he is. (Ffs, blame Coppell, not Seol!)

Funny how much more involved in United attacks Wes Brown (marker: Stephen Hunt) was than Mickael Silvestre ("marker": Seol... or possibly Seal...).

The wide angle picture illustrates perfectly how ridiulous it is to compare Seol's contribution favourably with that of the ever energetic and selfless Hunt.

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I must have taken this pic about a split second in difference to the pic on the BBC Sport website.
You can see the BBC photographer who took that shot in my pic.



errmm no not really.

What that says to me is that Seol was the man supporting Doyle ready to receive the out ball from defence. The idea being that when we cleared our lines we would hit Seol (most probably a longish ball at that afterall he is 6.3 or something )

No point in having everyone bar Doyle behind the ball.

But then I suspect you know that already.


Yes that's right, why bother to mark Cristiano Ronaldo when you can pretend to be supporting Doyle.


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by Schards#2 » 13 Aug 2007 10:16

A year after signing him and after a year of working with him day in, day out, Coppell is still picking Seol.

But i'm sure you all know better than Coppell and he deserves to be dropped.

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by brendywendy » 13 Aug 2007 10:20

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WyW_URZ I too thought Seol would be better this season. He looked off the pace today, his booking was needless, if he had reacted quicker he wouldn't have ever needed to make the challenge.


Crap.

Funny how Rooney didn't get a booking for a worse challenge on Dela earlier in the match.


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He was dozing, the ball came towards him, he lost out, and lashed out a bit and commited a foul. Not saying it was a yellow card offence, just the foul was easily avoidable.


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he had the ball himself
tried to take it round someone and lost it
then lashed out

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by sheshnu » 13 Aug 2007 10:21

Royalee Yes that's right, why bother to mark Cristiano Ronaldo when you can pretend to be supporting Doyle.


It wasn't Seol's job to be marking Ronaldo, so you can't really blame him for not doing it. Why isn't one of: Murty, Duberry, De La Cruz marking Giggs?

Doesn't matter because they got away with it but it's hardly fair to pick out Seol for criticism based on that photo and the apparent 'failings' of others.

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by Royal Rother » 13 Aug 2007 10:22

Schards#2 A year after signing him and after a year of working with him day in, day out, Coppell is still picking Seol.

But i'm sure you all know better than Coppell and he deserves to be dropped.
If you have nothing else to offer than the usual Coppell accolyte rubbish please don't bother entering the discussion.


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by southbank1871 » 13 Aug 2007 10:24

Schards#2 A year after signing him and after a year of working with him day in, day out, Coppell is still picking Seol.

But i'm sure you all know better than Coppell and he deserves to be dropped.


This is probably due to lack of real competition though isn't it? If Little was fit, there's no way Seol would be playing.

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by Royal Rother » 13 Aug 2007 10:25

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Royalee Yes that's right, why bother to mark Cristiano Ronaldo when you can pretend to be supporting Doyle.


It wasn't Seol's job to be marking Ronaldo, so you can't really blame him for not doing it. Why isn't one of: Murty, Duberry, De La Cruz marking Giggs?

Doesn't matter because they got away with it but it's hardly fair to pick out Seol for criticism based on that photo and the apparent 'failings' of others.

It was just a convenient illustration of the different attitudes that could be seen during the entire 60+ minutes Seol was on the pitch - not meant for wholesale analysis.

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by Schards#2 » 13 Aug 2007 10:26

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Schards#2 A year after signing him and after a year of working with him day in, day out, Coppell is still picking Seol.

But i'm sure you all know better than Coppell and he deserves to be dropped.
If you have nothing else to offer than the usual Coppell accolyte rubbish please don't bother entering the discussion.


In the same way that i'm prepared to back Coppell and Morinhio's judgement rather than Woodcote Royal's over Sidwell, I'm prepared to back Coppell's judgement over whingers like you over Seol.

Morhinio and Coppell's credentials speak for themselves, Woodcote's is that Hughes is better than Shorey and yours is that you're officially bored of watching Leroy Lita.

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by Royal Rother » 13 Aug 2007 10:33

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Schards#2 A year after signing him and after a year of working with him day in, day out, Coppell is still picking Seol.

But i'm sure you all know better than Coppell and he deserves to be dropped.
If you have nothing else to offer than the usual Coppell accolyte rubbish please don't bother entering the discussion.


In the same way that i'm prepared to back Coppell and Morinhio's judgement rather than Woodcote Royal's over Sidwell, I'm prepared to back Coppell's judgement over whingers like you over Seol.

Morhinio and Coppell's credentials speak for themselves, Woodcote's is that Hughes is better than Shorey and yours is that you're officially bored of watching Leroy Lita.

I am? I was 10 months ago for sure.

Look, I am happy to give my opinions on what I see at the time, if that changes then sobeit. I would never get on someone's back after 1 or 2 indifferent performances, but week after week and yes, I'll speak my mind rather than falling back on the fact that Coppell cannot possibly do wrong because he does most things right.

He himself admits he makes mistakes, I just occasionally highlight those he doesn't see for himself... It's up to him when he chooses to act. IIRC he acted pretty quickly with Lita by dropping him, then brought him back a far better player. 8)


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by Royal Lady » 13 Aug 2007 10:38

OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?

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by Schards#2 » 13 Aug 2007 10:40

To take one still from the game and use that as justification to criticise a player represents, IMHO, a new low for Hob Nob post match analysis.

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by papereyes » 13 Aug 2007 10:41

Royal Lady OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?


Given Little's recent injury problems, wouldn't signing a more comabtive right midfielder have been a plan during the summer, so that a plan B does exist?

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by leon » 13 Aug 2007 10:42

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Royalee Yes that's right, why bother to mark Cristiano Ronaldo when you can pretend to be supporting Doyle.


It wasn't Seol's job to be marking Ronaldo, so you can't really blame him for not doing it. Why isn't one of: Murty, Duberry, De La Cruz marking Giggs?

Doesn't matter because they got away with it but it's hardly fair to pick out Seol for criticism based on that photo and the apparent 'failings' of others.

It was just a convenient illustration of the different attitudes that could be seen during the entire 60+ minutes Seol was on the pitch - not meant for wholesale analysis.


ie an utterly redundant point. Every player had his role yesterday -it wasnt an orthodox Reading formation/game plan was it?

And Seol's job wasn't to defend it was to support Doyle when we got a chance. Now whether he did that well is another matter!

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by Royal Lady » 13 Aug 2007 10:46

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Royal Lady OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?


Given Little's recent injury problems, wouldn't signing a more comabtive right midfielder have been a plan during the summer, so that a plan B does exist?
Probably, yes. But as we didn't have another signing, maybe because Convey is on his way back - then I am asking RR who he would have played in place of Seol yesterday. As, effectively, Coppell had no other choice, whether through his own lack of bothering to get a player, or no player wanting to join us, so, bearing that in mind, he had no option but to play Seol and give him a job in man marking. I get frustrated with Seol as much as the next person, but he had some good play and as I mentioned earlier, he can turn a game around when he shows a flash of his brilliance. It's like moaning we shouldn't have put Doyle up front because he didn't score!

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by papereyes » 13 Aug 2007 10:48

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Royal Lady OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?


Given Little's recent injury problems, wouldn't signing a more comabtive right midfielder have been a plan during the summer, so that a plan B does exist?
Probably, yes. But as we didn't have another signing, maybe because Convey is on his way back - then I am asking RR who he would have played in place of Seol yesterday. As, effectively, Coppell had no other choice, whether through his own lack of bothering to get a player, or no player wanting to join us, so, bearing that in mind, he had no option but to play Seol and give him a job in man marking. I get frustrated with Seol as much as the next person, but he had some good play and as I mentioned earlier, he can turn a game around when he shows a flash of his brilliance. It's like moaning we shouldn't have put Doyle up front because he didn't score!


Then again, we're moaning after only drawing 0-0 with the champions in a performance that was a "How To" guide in man marking and defensive play.

The time to criticise Seol, Doyle etc is when after we play, say, Everton, for example. Their attacking instincts were somewhat sacrificed for a greater good yesterday.

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by Franchise FC » 13 Aug 2007 10:49

Royal Rother Look, I am happy to give my opinions on what I see at the time, if that changes then sobeit. I would never get on someone's back after 1 or 2 indifferent performances, but week after week and yes, I'll speak my mind rather than falling back on the fact that Coppell cannot possibly do wrong because he does most things right.

He himself admits he makes mistakes, I just occasionally highlight those he doesn't see for himself... It's up to him when he chooses to act. IIRC he acted pretty quickly with Lita by dropping him, then brought him back a far better player. 8)


I venture that there will be no more than ONE team apart from RFC that goes to OT and comes away with a clean sheet (anyone fancy a spread on that ?). I see that as Sir Steve being able to do no wrong.

- OR -

Coppell signs no-one that makes the starting line-up, has the audacity to expect us to put up with a boring defensive display (against the Premier League Champions, pah ! - away, double pah !) and by the luckiest of miracles, it works. COPPELL OUT !

Now which of these is closer to reality ?

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