Coppell was right

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Re: Coppell was right

by AthleticoSpizz » 11 Oct 2009 16:06

S(h?)G

Their are many disapointments wearing the hoops right now.

Whilst I am no appologist for Shaun Cummings, it is blatantly obvious that the poor lad has got nothing to work with in front of him on the wing.

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Re: Coppell was right

by rg6royal » 11 Oct 2009 16:09

AthleticoSpizz S(h?)G

Their are many disapointments wearing the hoops right now.

Whilst I am no appologist for Shaun Cummings, it is blatantly obvious that the poor lad has got nothing to work with in front of him on the wing.


Yes he has...

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Re: Coppell was right

by Ian Royal » 11 Oct 2009 16:14

Stevie G Back on subject track, I don't see how he was right at all. He didn't play the youngsters much at the time as no doubt he was continuing to hold out too much loyalty to the likes of big time charlie's like SHunt. As much as I like Doyle I'm afraid that to say that the 'summer clear out' are all pretty much putting the effort in for their crust right now, something they couldn't do to at least repay their fans for the 2nd half of last season, less Bikey but he was not a liability for effort.

Our youngsters are performing well, sadly they are not led by enough quality experience on the field so I fear we are overlrelying on them. For me the most disappointing player this season has been Cummings and I think as soon as we plug that gap we'll have a much stronger side.


He played Kelly, Karacan, Pearce, Henry, Church & Federici. Three of them got plenty of games & showed quality, but Coppell decided to go with experience once it was available. It didn't work. But then the youth isn't exactly working right now is it, so who's to say they'd have done any better.

Most our youngsters are performing OK at best. Siggurdsson & Karacan being the exceptions playing well.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Stevie G » 11 Oct 2009 16:19

Athletico,

Yep SHG.

And you're right, I'd be crapping myself if I had to play behind Kebe, but then he was one of last year's 'regulars'.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Tommy Youlden's Ears » 11 Oct 2009 16:25

Watched 'Any Given Sunday' again yesterday. Was struck, watching the famous 'game of inches' speech, how true it is. Coppell failed, ultimately, to push his team the right side of the narrow line between success and failure.

He knew it, and he knew therefore that his time was up. Coppell was right to leave cos he had lost the ability to get acceptable performances from easily one of the top three squads in the championship last year. Even had that squad stayed this year, what could he offer?

I thought (and posted) in the summer that Rodgers should be given to Christmas to prove himself. I still think that's the right thing, though I can't see any signs that he'll turn in around. We're in the sht. Maybe it's only inches the other way, and we're a few weeks from glory.

I won't hold my breath though. I don't get to the ground every week. Having missed the first five minutes of Wolves in January, it's now seven home games I've seen without seeing us score. Given that I live 40 miles away, that's a lot of time, miles, fuel and tickets down the pan.


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Re: Coppell was right

by Forbury Lion » 11 Oct 2009 16:54

Royalee
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royalee, i bet you were not slagging coppell down in the 05-06 season. and the 06-07 season you talk about Loyalty, where's your's


Where was Coppell's? He upped and left as soon as things went against him and bottled it. He did the same at Brentford and Man City instead of showing them respect.
Sometimes doing the right thing for the best interests of the club is to walk away when you know your heart isn't in it. Coppell could have signed a contract and waited for the axe to come along with the big contract payoff.

How many of us who talk about loyalty can hand on their heart say they will stick around and plod on for their employers if times got bad and your heart wasn't in it when you had the option to take a year off without money worries and were highly confident of finding alternative employment.

Many believe Coppell stayed a season too long, those who now claim he jumped ship are only doing so because they thought the grass would be greener on the other side and turns out someone has nicked all the grass and thrown a few seeds down.

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Re: Coppell was right

by AthleticoSpizz » 11 Oct 2009 17:42

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Their are many disapointments wearing the hoops right now.

Whilst I am no appologist for Shaun Cummings, it is blatantly obvious that the poor lad has got nothing to work with in front of him on the wing.


Yes he has...
ah ok...I hadn't realised
next :arrow:

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Re: Coppell was right

by No Fixed Abode » 11 Oct 2009 18:32

Coppell left because there is only so much you can achieve with Reading. Top flight football was a massive achievement for the club and that's all they can hope for. I don't think Reading will ever win any major trophies.

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Re: Coppell was right

by skipper » 11 Oct 2009 18:34

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+1, couldnt be arsed with unrealistic expectations from a chairman who knows nothing about football.



Are you mental?! BR has spent money on Jobi, Rasiak, Mills and Cummings... Money Coppell could of spent on other players.

Not only that, Coppell DIDN'T like spending money of Million+ players, and prefered to cultivate players on the cheap like Doyle - which never stopped us achieving. Look at Kitson, Doyle, Hunt, Sonko et al.

WIth that, the "kids" might perform better if they wern't all playing at the same time.

Your all mental. Mental.


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Re: Coppell was right

by Stevie G » 11 Oct 2009 18:36

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Their are many disapointments wearing the hoops right now.

Whilst I am no appologist for Shaun Cummings, it is blatantly obvious that the poor lad has got nothing to work with in front of him on the wing.


Yes he has...
ah ok...I hadn't realised
next :arrow:


Athletico,

If that next :arrow: meant what next then I think I've sent you a PM, not up to speed with this stuff so if it hasn't worked let me know.

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Re: Coppell was right

by AthleticoSpizz » 11 Oct 2009 18:38

You're PM has arrived.the

next :arrow: was directed at rg6royal's enlightening/educational post.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Southbank Old Boy » 11 Oct 2009 19:56

Tommy Youlden's Ears Watched 'Any Given Sunday' again yesterday. Was struck, watching the famous 'game of inches' speech, how true it is. Coppell failed, ultimately, to push his team the right side of the narrow line between success and failure.

He knew it, and he knew therefore that his time was up. Coppell was right to leave cos he had lost the ability to get acceptable performances from easily one of the top three squads in the championship last year. Even had that squad stayed this year, what could he offer?

I thought (and posted) in the summer that Rodgers should be given to Christmas to prove himself. I still think that's the right thing, though I can't see any signs that he'll turn in around. We're in the sht. Maybe it's only inches the other way, and we're a few weeks from glory.
I won't hold my breath though. I don't get to the ground every week. Having missed the first five minutes of Wolves in January, it's now seven home games I've seen without seeing us score. Given that I live 40 miles away, that's a lot of time, miles, fuel and tickets down the pan.


Yes we are in a lowly position in the table. We have put in spells of good performances

The key though is where did you think we were going to be? We werent going to be in the playoffs with a brand new squad built on the cheap (not a bad thing but certainly something that has to be considered)

Rodgers needs to get some more out of the squad he has, but I dont see the point in getting rid of him at any point this season if he is relatively restricted in the way he can improve the squad. IF he isnt restricted and he wastes the money he has on more dross like Raziak then yea his position should be under review

We have to give the guy a chance though

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Re: Coppell was right

by Ian Royal » 11 Oct 2009 20:40

Where we should be. Between 12th and 17th, not knocking about between 18th and 22nd.

It's amazing how half those saying we should give Rodgers more time just make up what those saying we can't afford to wait much longer are saying and paint them as delusionals who think we should be competing with Newcastle, West Brom and Middlesborough for the automatic spots.

It's all well and good saying he needs time to improve us. But can you honestly say he looks like the man for the job given how we've been so far this season? If you can, fair enough, but I disagree. Under Rodgers this season has "nearly turned the corner", "nearly good enough", "signs of promise" and eventual relegation written all over it.


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Re: Coppell was right

by Terminal Boardom » 11 Oct 2009 20:50

11 games in and we resemble a pig with lipstick.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Rex » 11 Oct 2009 21:05

The next 3-5 games will be vital in proving Rodgers comments are starting to bear fruit. Has he finally now worked out his starting team. He tried that against Middlesbrough and this was probably not the game to instil confidence in the consistancy of the starting team. Coming off the back of Preston which (though a good result) was at a different level to a demoted PL team eager to bounce straight back up at the first attempt.
The issue of removing a manager at this stage of the season can again go either way (obviously). Remove him and the results are still the same and all this could prove is denting the team further. We still have players attempting to establish and prove themselves at this club and indeed in this league so just changing a manager in a blame/ blame culture could possibly further damage this club.
Will JM take ownership of this and make a change and indeed further gamble on this season - who knows.
The club has sorted and realligned the wage structure, now it needs to plateau out this inconsistancy in individual performace. We haven't even hit the compounding factor of numerous injuries yet which further adds to the mire.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Terminal Boardom » 11 Oct 2009 21:12

royalexile The next 3-5 games will be vital in proving Rodgers comments are starting to bear fruit. Has he finally now worked out his starting team. He tried that against Middlesbrough and this was probably not the game to instil confidence in the consistancy of the starting team. Coming off the back of Preston which (though a good result) was at a different level to a demoted PL team eager to bounce straight back up at the first attempt.
The issue of removing a manager at this stage of the season can again go either way (obviously). Remove him and the results are still the same and all this could prove is denting the team further. We still have players attempting to establish and prove themselves at this club and indeed in this league so just changing a manager in a blame/ blame culture could possibly further damage this club.
Will JM take ownership of this and make a change and indeed further gamble on this season - who knows.
The club has sorted and realligned the wage structure, now it needs to plateau out this inconsistancy in individual performace. We haven't even hit the compounding factor of numerous injuries yet which further adds to the mire.


Not forgetting the problem of playing on a cabbage patch once the bad weather really kicks in coupled with the rugby.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Ian Royal » 11 Oct 2009 22:10

royalexile The next 3-5 games will be vital in proving Rodgers comments are starting to bear fruit. Has he finally now worked out his starting team. He tried that against Middlesbrough and this was probably not the game to instil confidence in the consistancy of the starting team. Coming off the back of Preston which (though a good result) was at a different level to a demoted PL team eager to bounce straight back up at the first attempt.
The issue of removing a manager at this stage of the season can again go either way (obviously). Remove him and the results are still the same and all this could prove is denting the team further. We still have players attempting to establish and prove themselves at this club and indeed in this league so just changing a manager in a blame/ blame culture could possibly further damage this club.
Will JM take ownership of this and make a change and indeed further gamble on this season - who knows.
The club has sorted and realligned the wage structure, now it needs to plateau out this inconsistancy in individual performace. We haven't even hit the compounding factor of numerous injuries yet which further adds to the mire.


I've been saying for weeks I want consistency of team selection, so I'm not changing my tune just because we lose one poxy game. Same team as started against Preston and M'boro is what I want. Even if I think Howard is a useless waste of space.

Failing that a 4-4-2 with a bit of width or Siggurdsson in for Howard.

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Re: Coppell was right

by Einstein agogo » 12 Oct 2009 07:25

No Fixed Abode Coppell left because there is only so much you can achieve with Reading. Top flight football was a massive achievement for the club and that's all they can hope for. I don't think Reading will ever win any major trophies.


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Re: Coppell was right

by brendywendy » 12 Oct 2009 09:35

Where was Coppell's? He upped and left as soon as things went against him and bottled it. He did the same at Brentford and Man City instead of showing them respect.





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Re: Coppell was right

by CMRoyal » 12 Oct 2009 11:11

Royalee Steve Coppell resigned because he'd realised he left us in the shit and didn't have the balls to sort his mess out. Nobody has taken him on since.


Ridiculous statement. He's taken a year off. When he makes himself available again, there'll be a long queue of willing employers. I'd bet my house on it.

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