How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by Jay o/ » 28 Oct 2012 17:28

themadstad One thing Anton may not be the guy we thought though. In that he may not be that much richer than Madejski is or at least was. Therefore, happy to go with the Reading way as alluded to.

The top 10 prem team stuff, I don't think he's even close to be able to fund.


Er, we already know AZ hasn't got as much as SJM. The money is his father, again also been recognised previously.

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by SPARTA » 28 Oct 2012 17:39

themadstad One thing Anton may not be the guy we thought though. In that he may not be that much richer than Madejski is or at least was. Therefore, happy to go with the Reading way as alluded to.

The top 10 prem team stuff, I don't think he's even close to be able to fund.


You have no idea though do you, it's just idle spaculation.

The idea is to stabilise in the Premiership and in five years be a top ten side. That isn't that tough a job in all honesty. In the coming seasons we will improve the squad bit by bit and replace the average to above average Championship players that are still here, and we will get stronger. Our reputation would also grow, and we would eventually be seen as a club players wanted to come to. The hardest job is this first season, because the squad wasn't ready for the step up and is largely made up of average overachievers from the Championship.

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by Lacoste » 28 Oct 2012 18:23

I left two mins before the end with my mates and Guthrie drove past us. Must have been 5 mins after the full time whistle

Think MCD is close to losing the dressing room.

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by themadstad » 28 Oct 2012 18:37

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themadstad One thing Anton may not be the guy we thought though. In that he may not be that much richer than Madejski is or at least was. Therefore, happy to go with the Reading way as alluded to.

The top 10 prem team stuff, I don't think he's even close to be able to fund.


You have no idea though do you, it's just idle spaculation.

The idea is to stabilise in the Premiership and in five years be a top ten side. That isn't that tough a job in all honesty. In the coming seasons we will improve the squad bit by bit and replace the average to above average Championship players that are still here, and we will get stronger. Our reputation would also grow, and we would eventually be seen as a club players wanted to come to. The hardest job is this first season, because the squad wasn't ready for the step up and is largely made up of average overachievers from the Championship.


Spaculation? Really, you're probably older than me and you talk like that when somone has an opinion. Just wow!

Yes, we know the idea. However, squad still lacks and I wouldn't expect them to be top 10 straight away in any case. Top 10 is very tough to consistantly achieve anyway. Big investment certainly required for that and whilst I'm not saying massive amounts should have been spent I think we need that little bit more.

And perhaps over time that may be possible with bigger attendances and commercial revenue. Success though is what breeds that for which we will need to compete a bit higher.

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by melonhead » 28 Oct 2012 19:03

i think he will have till the end of the month at least

if we can win two games and draw a couple this month he'll be safe

imo

which counts for feck all


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by ankeny » 28 Oct 2012 19:08

MmmMonsterMunch
ankeny Thats two :lol: :lol: :lol: Bret Williams,Keith Shepherd anyone :shock: :shock: Guthrie :shock:


LOL - 2 cracking examples that culminated in two of the greatest seasons in our history not enough then?!

How about Gorkss? Mariappa?

Has it also occurred to you that BM is not the scout any more? He is the manager.

You are also forgetting that the likes of Williams & KARL Sheppard were brought in before the TSI era, i.e. cheap.

Are you honestly having a pop at BM on the basis that not every signing is straight into the 1st team? Name a manager that has managed to do that then - eagerly awaiting your response! Honestly the mind boggles at the amount of divs supporting this club.

Yes,div eh you comical oxf*rd,when was your first game then sunshine?

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by MmmMonsterMunch » 28 Oct 2012 19:54

Yesterday - do I lose the competition?

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by Man Friday » 28 Oct 2012 20:12

Can't believe we're talking seriously about the possibility of Mc D being sacked after just 8 games...where did fans expect us to be? Top 6? Feckin ridiculous. We've only lost 4. We nearly won 2 of the 4 we've drawn. Had we won just one of those we'd be out of the relegation zone. The young players bought can only get better. If McD is sacked in the next couple of months the club can kiss my admission fee goodbye this season, that's for sure. If I wanted to support a QPR type team with maniacal owners I'd do so.

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by Snowball » 28 Oct 2012 20:17

I'm not surprised at this thread, but Jeez it's dumb.

Reading are clearly improving and have played the clubs currently top, fourth, 7th, 8th,10th, 11th, 12th, 13th.
We have just drawn 3-3 with Fulham, who beat Norwich 5-0. Our GD is only -6 after 8 games, despite shipping
4 at Chelsea, and the bad defeat at home to Spurs (now 4th).

We have shown, quite clearly that we can score whenever we go for it, and though we haven't yet won at home
we are staring to build a decent record of at least avoiding defeat 1-1, 2-2, 3-3. Our defeat at Liverpool by a single
goal is starting to look like a much better result than it did on the day And Liverpool look top-eight at the very worst.

Of COURSE we are going to be out-possessed by the majority of clubs in this league. Why is anyone surprised?

ATM we are logging a number of goals-against which have been truly excellent. Ba's first, Sterling's, Ruiz, Berbatov, Swansea etc
and I don't think we've had much luck (Torres, Ba)

But we are drawing, losing by a single goal (Liverpool, WBA) wheres other sides are building bad GDs

We are effectively a point clear of Saints and 2 clear of QPR with a game in hand on both of them. Villa look poor.

There are very good reasons to think we can finish above these three and we must have a good chance of finishing in the mix with Norwich, Wigan
with neither Stoke or Sunderland likely to be streets clear of the bottom 3.

We haven't won, but only one of our defeats was a really bad one (Spurs). We competed at Chelsea, were a bit toothless at WBA, and were decent in
the second half at Liverpool. That game in hand and that reasonable GD might be important. We've lost 4/8 whereas Saints have lost 7/9, QPR 6.

I REALLY think McDermott is pulling it round and we can still end up comfortably clear of the drop. It just needs that one win and it will look a lot better.



Having said all the above, the games v QPR, Norwich, Saints, Wigan and Villa are absolutely massive and I dearly hope the lads go into the game
at Loftus Road with the right attitude. (I'm worried, TBH). We don't need to win there, but a defeat would be horrible.


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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by AthleticoSpizz » 28 Oct 2012 20:20

Man Friday Can't believe we're talking seriously about the possibility of Mc D being sacked after just 8 games...where did fans expect us to be? Top 6? Feckin ridiculous. We've only lost 4. We nearly won 2 of the 4 we've drawn. Had we won just one of those we'd be out of the relegation zone. The young players bought can only get better. If McD is sacked in the next couple of months the club can kiss my admission fee goodbye this season, that's for sure. If I wanted to support a QPR type team with maniacal owners I'd do so.
says it for me....but for the moonheads, anything less than being a Chelsea will just not do.

Taking a big YAWN and as already posted, the league table suggests that there are two teams worse than us, our results confirm that nobody has thrashed us off of the park just yet.

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by MmmMonsterMunch » 28 Oct 2012 20:27

Snowball I'm not surprised at this thread, but Jeez it's dumb.

Reading are clearly improving and have played the clubs currently top, fourth, 7th, 8th,10th, 11th, 12th, 13th.
We have just drawn 3-3 with Fulham, who beat Norwich 5-0. Our GD is only -6 after 8 games, despite shipping
4 at Chelsea, and the bad defeat at home to Spurs (now 4th).

We have shown, quite clearly that we can score whenever we go for it, and though we haven't yet won at home
we are staring to build a decent record of at least avoiding defeat 1-1, 2-2, 3-3. Our defeat at Liverpool by a single
goal is starting to look like a much better result than it did on the day And Liverpool look top-eight at the very worst.

Of COURSE we are going to be out-possessed by the majority of clubs in this league. Why is anyone surprised?

ATM we are logging a number of goals-against which have been truly excellent. Ba's first, Sterling's, Ruiz, Berbatov, Swansea etc
and I don't think we've had much luck (Torres, Ba)

But we are drawing, losing by a single goal (Liverpool, WBA) wheres other sides are building bad GDs

We are effectively a point clear of Saints and 2 clear of QPR with a game in hand on both of them. Villa look poor.

There are very good reasons to think we can finish above these three and we must have a good chance of finishing in the mix with Norwich, Wigan
with neither Stoke or Sunderland likely to be streets clear of the bottom 3.

We haven't won, but only one of our defeats was a really bad one (Spurs). We competed at Chelsea, were a bit toothless at WBA, and were decent in
the second half at Liverpool. That game in hand and that reasonable GD might be important. We've lost 4/8 whereas Saints have lost 7/9, QPR 6.

I REALLY think McDermott is pulling it round and we can still end up comfortably clear of the drop. It just needs that one win and it will look a lot better.



Having said all the above, the games v QPR, Norwich, Saints, Wigan and Villa are absolutely massive and I dearly hope the lads go into the game
at Loftus Road with the right attitude. (I'm worried, TBH). We don't need to win there, but a defeat would be horrible.


Good post. I agree with you actually. Although we must start getting the basics right when it comes to defending....Berbatov should not have been given as much space yesterday & we need to stop ball watching.

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by Man Friday » 28 Oct 2012 20:35

We know we're not perfect FFS, we're bound to make defensive mistakes.

Well said, Snowball. (All of it, including the last bit: You're right, we do need to pick up a win or two in the next few games.)

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by Royal91 » 28 Oct 2012 21:47

McDermott keeps harping on about not having the resources to spend. Think he mentioned that against Chelsea and another team which is fair enough. But to say we don't have the financial resources to compete with Fulham is very worrying. I've seen quotes from Quinn say "They blew us out the water with their finances" Referring to the Pog deal (Sunderland).

Something is just not adding up!


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by SPARTA » 28 Oct 2012 22:17

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themadstad One thing Anton may not be the guy we thought though. In that he may not be that much richer than Madejski is or at least was. Therefore, happy to go with the Reading way as alluded to.

The top 10 prem team stuff, I don't think he's even close to be able to fund.


You have no idea though do you, it's just idle spaculation.

The idea is to stabilise in the Premiership and in five years be a top ten side. That isn't that tough a job in all honesty. In the coming seasons we will improve the squad bit by bit and replace the average to above average Championship players that are still here, and we will get stronger. Our reputation would also grow, and we would eventually be seen as a club players wanted to come to. The hardest job is this first season, because the squad wasn't ready for the step up and is largely made up of average overachievers from the Championship.


Spaculation? Really, you're probably older than me and you talk like that when somone has an opinion. Just wow!

Yes, we know the idea. However, squad still lacks and I wouldn't expect them to be top 10 straight away in any case. Top 10 is very tough to consistantly achieve anyway. Big investment certainly required for that and whilst I'm not saying massive amounts should have been spent I think we need that little bit more.

And perhaps over time that may be possible with bigger attendances and commercial revenue. Success though is what breeds that for which we will need to compete a bit higher.


Jesus Christ. No-one expects it this season! But a top ten finish within 5 years is more than possible. Going down though is totally unthinkable if any of AZ's dreams are to be realised here.

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by Once were Biscuitmen » 28 Oct 2012 23:03

Relegation, as any West Brom fan will tell you, is not the end of the world; or indeed the end of AZ's dreams.

Still no needs to slit our collective wrists with a souvenir clapper quite yet!

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by leon » 28 Oct 2012 23:10

Snowball I'm not surprised at this thread, but Jeez it's dumb.

Reading are clearly improving and have played the clubs currently top, fourth, 7th, 8th,10th, 11th, 12th, 13th.
We have just drawn 3-3 with Fulham, who beat Norwich 5-0. Our GD is only -6 after 8 games, despite shipping
4 at Chelsea, and the bad defeat at home to Spurs (now 4th).

We have shown, quite clearly that we can score whenever we go for it, and though we haven't yet won at home
we are staring to build a decent record of at least avoiding defeat 1-1, 2-2, 3-3. Our defeat at Liverpool by a single
goal is starting to look like a much better result than it did on the day And Liverpool look top-eight at the very worst.

Of COURSE we are going to be out-possessed by the majority of clubs in this league. Why is anyone surprised?

ATM we are logging a number of goals-against which have been truly excellent. Ba's first, Sterling's, Ruiz, Berbatov, Swansea etc
and I don't think we've had much luck (Torres, Ba)

But we are drawing, losing by a single goal (Liverpool, WBA) wheres other sides are building bad GDs

We are effectively a point clear of Saints and 2 clear of QPR with a game in hand on both of them. Villa look poor.

There are very good reasons to think we can finish above these three and we must have a good chance of finishing in the mix with Norwich, Wigan
with neither Stoke or Sunderland likely to be streets clear of the bottom 3.

We haven't won, but only one of our defeats was a really bad one (Spurs). We competed at Chelsea, were a bit toothless at WBA, and were decent in
the second half at Liverpool. That game in hand and that reasonable GD might be important. We've lost 4/8 whereas Saints have lost 7/9, QPR 6.

I REALLY think McDermott is pulling it round and we can still end up comfortably clear of the drop. It just needs that one win and it will look a lot better.



Having said all the above, the games v QPR, Norwich, Saints, Wigan and Villa are absolutely massive and I dearly hope the lads go into the game
at Loftus Road with the right attitude. (I'm worried, TBH). We don't need to win there, but a defeat would be horrible.


all of this. A sensible post.

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by Royal91 » 28 Oct 2012 23:52

McDermott needs a Mike Basset moment!

Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!

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by leon » 29 Oct 2012 00:03

Royal91 McDermott needs a Mike Basset moment!

Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!


seriously :|

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by Royal91 » 29 Oct 2012 00:10

leon
Royal91 McDermott needs a Mike Basset moment!

Rudyard Kipling

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;

If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream - and not make dreams your master;
If you can think - and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;

If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;

If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: 'Hold on!'

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings - nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;

If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run -
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And - which is more - you'll be a Man my son!


seriously :|


Obviously not!

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Re: How Long Will BM Last at this rate?????

by Wimb » 29 Oct 2012 00:20

Snowball I'm not surprised at this thread, but Jeez it's dumb.

Reading are clearly improving and have played the clubs currently top, fourth, 7th, 8th,10th, 11th, 12th, 13th.
We have just drawn 3-3 with Fulham, who beat Norwich 5-0. Our GD is only -6 after 8 games, despite shipping
4 at Chelsea, and the bad defeat at home to Spurs (now 4th).

We have shown, quite clearly that we can score whenever we go for it, and though we haven't yet won at home
we are staring to build a decent record of at least avoiding defeat 1-1, 2-2, 3-3. Our defeat at Liverpool by a single
goal is starting to look like a much better result than it did on the day And Liverpool look top-eight at the very worst.

Of COURSE we are going to be out-possessed by the majority of clubs in this league. Why is anyone surprised?

ATM we are logging a number of goals-against which have been truly excellent. Ba's first, Sterling's, Ruiz, Berbatov, Swansea etc
and I don't think we've had much luck (Torres, Ba)

But we are drawing, losing by a single goal (Liverpool, WBA) wheres other sides are building bad GDs

We are effectively a point clear of Saints and 2 clear of QPR with a game in hand on both of them. Villa look poor.

There are very good reasons to think we can finish above these three and we must have a good chance of finishing in the mix with Norwich, Wigan
with neither Stoke or Sunderland likely to be streets clear of the bottom 3.

We haven't won, but only one of our defeats was a really bad one (Spurs). We competed at Chelsea, were a bit toothless at WBA, and were decent in
the second half at Liverpool. That game in hand and that reasonable GD might be important. We've lost 4/8 whereas Saints have lost 7/9, QPR 6.

I REALLY think McDermott is pulling it round and we can still end up comfortably clear of the drop. It just needs that one win and it will look a lot better.



Having said all the above, the games v QPR, Norwich, Saints, Wigan and Villa are absolutely massive and I dearly hope the lads go into the game
at Loftus Road with the right attitude. (I'm worried, TBH). We don't need to win there, but a defeat would be horrible.


Good lord Snowball if only you spoke this much sense more often ;)

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