Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Franchise FC » 04 Aug 2011 19:10

RoyalBlue If he doesn' t want to join in that type of competition, then he should stop trying to still reap the glory of playing in the big boys play ground (maybe Reading Town would be more comfortable for him), walk the walk and deliver on his talk of selling. In order to do that, he needs to offer the club at a price that others believe is reasonable and not at a price that he dreams of getting. Also, he needs to remove his branding from the product that is up for sale.

As for the final paragraph, he clearly isn't quite the business superstar that some would have us believe. Had he been, he would have made sure he backed other horses in addition to publishing (how many people would want to invest in paper publishing in the 21st century) and property. In fact he reminds me of that ad about putting your money on the wrong colour etc!

That having been said, I think there is a lot to be said for Sandman's interpretation.


Do you own a house ?
If so, and if a person came along and offered a price that was below your valuation because you liked living there, woud you sell anyway ?

No ..... I thought not.

SJM is by no means perfect and I'm not suggesting that any old investor would have us on the scrap heap in days, but the risk with a new owner is that there appear to be a significant number of potential investors that turn out to be anything but good for the club. Birmingham are now finding out, Cardiff, Plymouth, West Ham, and numerous others have found the same. Where these used to be the exception, they are by no means the rule, but they are a significant minority.

Are we willing to gamble on that basis ? Maybe, but I've yet to see any evidence that the current format is not working.

No, we are not in the PL, but that seems to be a place where you have to gamble even more to stay in the division. Again, for the few that manage to make it, there is the aspiration of surviving because breaking into the second tier of the PL is seriously unlikely for any team with which we can be compared.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Victor Meldrew » 04 Aug 2011 19:34

Vision
Maguire I've not read this thread (that i remember).

I'm guessing that 23 pages on a thread about finance probably aren't going to be that interesting.

Can somebody (perhaps brendy as seems to like posting here) sum up the three key points and the thread's biggest winners and losers thus far? Ta


You're missing out big-time here fella. Its the quintessential Team Board post.

Floyd posts some shite that he thinks is funny.
Finerain goes all hyper
Jay cant make up his mind
Brendy goes a bit mental
Accounts get quoted (woop woop)
Woodcote has an internet rage oxf*rd
Jay cant make up his mind
Hoop Blah gets to mention Bennett and Sodje
Royalee misses the point again
Jay cant make up his mind
Ian Royal get to call people retards
RoyalBlue gets to slag Madejski
Snowball posts some stats
Royal Rother gets to be patronising
BR to remind us all how old he is
Dirk gets to remind us he's ITK
Jay cant make up his mind
2-0 gets wooshed and snitches.
All we're missing is Reading Bedding to cut n paste something banal and Kes to point out we're a small club and we've got a bona fide classic.

Not that I've read most of it though....


:D :D
You forgot:-
Vision-posts in a considered and unemotional manner believing himself to be Captain Sensible at the same time adding so many caveats (just in case)that in the end it becomes no opinion at all.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by floyd__streete » 04 Aug 2011 21:18

Vision Floyd posts some shite that he thinks is funny
Finerain goes all hyper
Jay cant make up his mind
Brendy goes a bit mental
Accounts get quoted (woop woop)
Woodcote has an internet rage oxf*rd
Jay cant make up his mind
Hoop Blah gets to mention Bennett and Sodje
Royalee misses the point again
Jay cant make up his mind
Ian Royal get to call people retards
RoyalBlue gets to slag Madejski
Snowball posts some stats
Royal Rother gets to be patronising
BR to remind us all how old he is
Dirk gets to remind us he's ITK
Jay cant make up his mind
2-0 gets wooshed and snitches.
All we're missing is Reading Bedding to cut n paste something banal and Kes to point out we're a small club and we've got a bona fide classic.


Wow, careful you don't get saddle-sore on that high horse. All very beneath you isn't it? Do yourself a favour and stop contributing to this madness.
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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Ian Royal » 04 Aug 2011 21:19

Victor Meldrew
Vision
Maguire I've not read this thread (that i remember).

I'm guessing that 23 pages on a thread about finance probably aren't going to be that interesting.

Can somebody (perhaps brendy as seems to like posting here) sum up the three key points and the thread's biggest winners and losers thus far? Ta


You're missing out big-time here fella. Its the quintessential Team Board post.

Floyd posts some shite that he thinks is funny.
Finerain goes all hyper
Jay cant make up his mind
Brendy goes a bit mental
Accounts get quoted (woop woop)
Woodcote has an internet rage oxf*rd
Jay cant make up his mind
Hoop Blah gets to mention Bennett and Sodje
Royalee misses the point again
Jay cant make up his mind
Ian Royal get to call people retards
RoyalBlue gets to slag Madejski
Snowball posts some stats
Royal Rother gets to be patronising
BR to remind us all how old he is
Dirk gets to remind us he's ITK
Jay cant make up his mind
2-0 gets wooshed and snitches.
All we're missing is Reading Bedding to cut n paste something banal and Kes to point out we're a small club and we've got a bona fide classic.

Not that I've read most of it though....


:D :D
You forgot:-
Vision-posts in a considered and unemotional manner which sadly goes over VM's head

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by roadrunner » 05 Aug 2011 07:11

Vision
Maguire I've not read this thread (that i remember).

I'm guessing that 23 pages on a thread about finance probably aren't going to be that interesting.

Can somebody (perhaps brendy as seems to like posting here) sum up the three key points and the thread's biggest winners and losers thus far? Ta


You're missing out big-time here fella. Its the quintessential Team Board post.

Floyd posts some shite that he thinks is funny.
Finerain goes all hyper
Jay cant make up his mind
Brendy goes a bit mental
Accounts get quoted (woop woop)
Woodcote has an internet rage oxf*rd
Jay cant make up his mind
Hoop Blah gets to mention Bennett and Sodje
Royalee misses the point again
Jay cant make up his mind
Ian Royal get to call people retards
RoyalBlue gets to slag Madejski
Snowball posts some stats
Royal Rother gets to be patronising
BR to remind us all how old he is
Dirk gets to remind us he's ITK
Jay cant make up his mind
2-0 gets wooshed and snitches.
All we're missing is Reading Bedding to cut n paste something banal and Kes to point out we're a small club and we've got a bona fide classic.

Not that I've read most of it though....


*My first post on this thread.

What's to discuss? There's an annual black hole. No one knows how much it is. Let's argue amongst ourselves about it. It's only worth the +1.


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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by brendywendy » 05 Aug 2011 09:06

PEARCEY Well I've just reported brendy for the sake of it.



lol.

well deserved

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by brendywendy » 05 Aug 2011 09:07

floyd__streete
Vision Floyd posts some shite that he thinks is funny
Finerain goes all hyper
Jay cant make up his mind
Brendy goes a bit mental
Accounts get quoted (woop woop)
Woodcote has an internet rage oxf*rd
Jay cant make up his mind
Hoop Blah gets to mention Bennett and Sodje
Royalee misses the point again
Jay cant make up his mind
Ian Royal get to call people retards
RoyalBlue gets to slag Madejski
Snowball posts some stats
Royal Rother gets to be patronising
BR to remind us all how old he is
Dirk gets to remind us he's ITK
Jay cant make up his mind
2-0 gets wooshed and snitches.
All we're missing is Reading Bedding to cut n paste something banal and Kes to point out we're a small club and we've got a bona fide classic.


Wow, careful you don't get saddle-sore on that high horse. All very beneath you isn't it? Do yourself a favour and stop contributing to this madness.


:shock: SOHF

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by westendgirl » 05 Aug 2011 09:18

Franchise FC SJM is by no means perfect and I'm not suggesting that any old investor would have us on the scrap heap in days, but the risk with a new owner is that there appear to be a significant number of potential investors that turn out to be anything but good for the club. Birmingham are now finding out, Cardiff, Plymouth, West Ham, and numerous others have found the same. Where these used to be the exception, they are by no means the rule, but they are a significant minority.

Are we willing to gamble on that basis ? Maybe, but I've yet to see any evidence that the current format is not working.

No, we are not in the PL, but that seems to be a place where you have to gamble even more to stay in the division. Again, for the few that manage to make it, there is the aspiration of surviving because breaking into the second tier of the PL is seriously unlikely for any team with which we can be compared.


I think this is the crux of the arguement - some people are willing to gamble others are not. And to be fair it is much easier to gamble with someone else's money.

From what I understand of SJM and the rest in control of the pursestrings they are not willing to gamble and I wish football could sort itself out so that it was not a matter of gambling.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Royal Rother » 05 Aug 2011 09:45

brendywendy
floyd__streete
Vision Floyd posts some shite that he thinks is funny
Finerain goes all hyper
Jay cant make up his mind
Brendy goes a bit mental
Accounts get quoted (woop woop)
Woodcote has an internet rage oxf*rd
Jay cant make up his mind
Hoop Blah gets to mention Bennett and Sodje
Royalee misses the point again
Jay cant make up his mind
Ian Royal get to call people retards
RoyalBlue gets to slag Madejski
Snowball posts some stats
Royal Rother gets to be patronising
BR to remind us all how old he is
Dirk gets to remind us he's ITK
Jay cant make up his mind
2-0 gets wooshed and snitches.
All we're missing is Reading Bedding to cut n paste something banal and Kes to point out we're a small club and we've got a bona fide classic.


Wow, careful you don't get saddle-sore on that high horse. All very beneath you isn't it? Do yourself a favour and stop contributing to this madness.


:shock: SOHF


Which just makes it all the better!!


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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by floyd__streete » 08 Aug 2011 13:12

brendywendy :shock: SOHF


What does that mean? Seriously, learn english and stop speaking in in-joke acronyms on a public forum.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by floyd__streete » 08 Aug 2011 13:14

Long going. Presumably 6 million plus will go into the black hole, taking this summer's defecit to £11mil. I worry that as the family silver gets sold off every summer and replaced with.....well no-one.....that standards will drop so badly we won't have several million quids worth of talent to sell every summer, how do we plug this vast defecit then?

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 08 Aug 2011 13:16

For a team that supposedly never seems to spend any money we seem to pretty consistently have valuable family silver to sell off each year. Must just be lucky coincidences, eh?

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by floyd__streete » 08 Aug 2011 13:19

Svlad Cjelli For a team that supposedly never seems to spend any money we seem to pretty consistently have valuable family silver to sell off each year. Must just be lucky coincidences, eh?


Yep. But how long can we keep being the Crewe of the Chamionship.....and manage to stay in that division?


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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Bandini » 08 Aug 2011 13:21

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Svlad Cjelli For a team that supposedly never seems to spend any money we seem to pretty consistently have valuable family silver to sell off each year. Must just be lucky coincidences, eh?


Yep. But how long can we keep being the Crewe of the Chamionship.....and manage to stay in that division?


Floyd has a point. Our Championship status was in doubt right up to the final game of last season.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 08 Aug 2011 13:22

floyd__streete
Svlad Cjelli For a team that supposedly never seems to spend any money we seem to pretty consistently have valuable family silver to sell off each year. Must just be lucky coincidences, eh?


Yep. But how long can we keep being the Crewe of the Chamionship.....and manage to stay in that division?


True, we did just miss out on leaving this division last year.

It may not fit the accepted way of doing things that supporters expect, but by oxf*rd it seems to work. And the accepted way of doing things has screwed up so many clubs that I rejoice in us doing things a different way.

When it doesn't, people will be entitled to moan about it, but what we're seeing this year is everyone yelling "it's terrible, it's all going to go wrong, they should do things my way" - but each year it seems that they do things their way and things turn out pretty well.

So for the moment I'm happy with the maxim "Brian Knows Best!"

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by floyd__streete » 08 Aug 2011 13:28

Preston North End. Similar size club to Reading, Championship play-off challengers seemingly every year for a decade. Players sold off. Standards deteriorated year on year. They are now in League One.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 08 Aug 2011 13:29

floyd__streete Preston North End. Similar size club to Reading, Championship play-off challengers seemingly every year for a decade. Players sold off. Standards deteriorated year on year. They are now in League One.


No new players developed, academy run down ......

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by floyd__streete » 08 Aug 2011 13:31

Well, you're just fighting my (negative) facts with (positive) spin now 8)

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Rev Algenon Stickleback H » 08 Aug 2011 13:40

floyd__streete Preston North End. Similar size club to Reading, Championship play-off challengers seemingly every year for a decade. Players sold off. Standards deteriorated year on year. They are now in League One.


Preston's average crowd was crap compared to ours. 14000 was an achievement, even when doing well. They didn't average 13500 when getting to the play-offs in 2009.

They overspent for years and went down because they had to sell because their debts got too large.

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Re: Oh, What A Lovely Defecit!

by Svlad Cjelli » 08 Aug 2011 13:41

Rev Algenon Stickleback H
floyd__streete Preston North End. Similar size club to Reading, Championship play-off challengers seemingly every year for a decade. Players sold off. Standards deteriorated year on year. They are now in League One.


Preston's average crowd was crap compared to ours. 14000 was an achievement, even when doing well. They didn't average 13500 when getting to the play-offs in 2009.

They overspent for years and went down because they had to sell because their debts got too large.


Still, at least they showed ambition, eh?

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