Madejski Sold out and failed again

[Ian Royal]

He also deserves credit for the visable spirit and togetherness.

High on my wish list for Reading FC is to watch a team where everyone is wants to be there and is giving everything for the shirt. Don't think we've had that for a couple of years and one of the reasons why I enjoyed Saturday's game so much despite the shortage of chances.

agreed.

And tonight against a managerless winless team ?

In two games? Big oxf*rd deal.

[Nameless]

And tonight against a managerless winless team ?

If you had been there you would have seen plenty of spirit and togetherness. Really nice to see every sub embracing Kuhl as they left the pitch pre second half and he waited to make his debut. The second half performance also showed a fair helping of spirit. OK we made 2 errors first half to give away silly goals and whilst the possession game wasn't quite clicking because we didn't have the right players on the pitch we were getting a pattern of play together which will eventually work. Try coming to games and enjoying a very exciting season - if you are actually interested in seeing our youngsters making the step up to being senior players.

[rfc58]

Well there you go, proof if ever it was needed YET AGAIN.
Call comes in SELL SELL SELL

The Madejski way is shown to the new owners

Shameful this bloke is already showing the property developers his version on how to run a football club, sell and buy on the cheap over and over again.

Morrison didn't want to go so why sell ?????????? Money in as always and nowt spent on big signings (As usual)

Why do some of you keep harping on about this being good business ? it's never ever re-invested so how is that good for the people on the pitch and as a football club it's there that it matters.

Sold out failed again:

Uggh. Not sure where your ideas about how a club should be run are coming from, but if its influenced by experience with a popular computer game then you should realise that the financial aspect of that game has been changed to make football management more fun. After all, who would really want to simulate book keeping to supply footballers with their wages?

Saying that, you cant give Madejski a clean bill of health here. The reasons we are around the table with a bunch of new investors in the first place is because the AZ deal fell through and it was SJM that accepted the deal. I dont think SJM has been massively hard done by here - the Zingarevich's came with a reputation that was reinforced by the Zingarevich's inability to secure a holding in Everton because they were deemed unsuitable. We, the fans, have lost out because the club ha've been unable to make any sensible decisions about the make up of our squad in the transfer market, and Reading has become a less desirable place for footballers to ply their trade. This has been happening for two seasons almost entirely because of this sour AZ/SJM deal and SJM has to take some responsibility for it. In his defence, however, I believe he does feel some responsibility and, genuinely, his heart is in the right place.

As for the rest of your post, which can be summed up as you dont believe Morrison (or Le Fondre) should have been sold - the realities are quite straightforward.

1. There isnt a big market for selling players, especially for players that arent useful to teams in the top divisions. We would sell Drenthe (and probably Pogrebnyak) in a heartbeat if we could find a buyer
2. There is a black hole and it is CONSTANT
3. We have an academy (which is funded constantly as well) which is being funded for the purpose of (a) providing players for the first team or (b) providing transfer funds to the club.

It is these reasons that Morrison was sold. We believe we have enough centre backs and that his transfer fee will help the books. I dont believe for a second he was top of our list of players we would like to sell, but we cant sell our most undesireable players because, well, they are the most undesireable.

Le Fondre is a different case for me. Although we were/are struggling for strikers, his lack of minutes on the pitch was his ultimate downfall. For that reason, his departure for Cardiff is a combination of his and Adkins' responsibility.

My biggest gripe is not the players leaving the club but the players coming in. We're spending money and the fees/wages are building up, but we just dont seem to get the right players. I appreciate that the DOF job isnt plain sailing at this club, but Im starting to have real issues with Hammond's approach.

You've made some valid points, especially the point about the players coming in. I have no doubt our wage bill is one of the highest, but it doesn't reflect the quality we have in depth.

[Royal Biscuitman]

My biggest gripe is not the players leaving the club but the players coming in. We're spending money and the fees/wages are building up, but we just dont seem to get the right players. I appreciate that the DOF job isnt plain sailing at this club, but Im starting to have real issues with Hammond's approach.

Might be a sign that we need to invest in our scouting network.

[RoyalBlue]

I'm no Madejski apologist but he's not in charge any more. At what point do we stop kicking him in the nads?

Yes - he has sold out. You can get him on that. Now he's sold out he surely can't be responsible for anything else.

He still appears to have great influence and, I suspect, feels he is in day to day charge of the club (as indeed he may be). In the interview with Sky he even insisted on answering for Khunying Sasima when she was asked about her ambitions for the club. He concluded with words to the effect of 'that's what Khunying Sasima thinks (turning to her) isn't it?'. I have to say, Khunying Sasima didn't look overly impressed about being told what she thought, even though she nodded politely!

Didn't Morrison say 'The Chairman and maybe the board' had already decided to accept the offer for him.

[multisync1830]

I'm no Madejski apologist but he's not in charge any more. At what point do we stop kicking him in the nads?

Yes - he has sold out. You can get him on that. Now he's sold out he surely can't be responsible for anything else.

He still appears to have great influence and, I suspect, feels he is in day to day charge of the club (as indeed he may be). In the interview with Sky he even insisted on answering for Khunying Sasima when she was asked about her ambitions for the club. He concluded with words to the effect of 'that's what Khunying Sasima thinks (turning to her) isn't it?'. I have to say, Khunying Sasima didn't look overly impressed about being told what she thought, even though she nodded politely!

Didn't Morrison say 'The Chairman and maybe the board' had already decided to accept the offer for him.

Rumours are possibly one shareholder may not last the distance.Not seen as adding value to the whole apparently

[tmesis]

Why do some of you keep harping on about this being good business ? it's never ever re-invested

Do you have any theories about what happens to all this money by any chance?

[Angry Shed Sex]

I'm no Madejski apologist but he's not in charge any more. At what point do we stop kicking him in the nads?

Yes - he has sold out. You can get him on that. Now he's sold out he surely can't be responsible for anything else.

He still appears to have great influence and, I suspect, feels he is in day to day charge of the club (as indeed he may be). In the interview with Sky he even insisted on answering for Khunying Sasima when she was asked about her ambitions for the club. He concluded with words to the effect of 'that's what Khunying Sasima thinks (turning to her) isn't it?'. I have to say, Khunying Sasima didn't look overly impressed about being told what she thought, even though she nodded politely!

Didn't Morrison say 'The Chairman and maybe the board' had already decided to accept the offer for him.

So now we're just having a go at him for being a patronising old codger? You use the words 'appears to' and 'I suspect' - all completely subjective. You've no idea and neither do I.

The only thing we both do know is that Madejski is not the majority share holder in RFC and therefore cannot make major decisions without sanction by the board.

[Hoop Blah]

My biggest gripe is not the players leaving the club but the players coming in. We're spending money and the fees/wages are building up, but we just dont seem to get the right players. I appreciate that the DOF job isnt plain sailing at this club, but Im starting to have real issues with Hammond's approach.

A lot of sense in the rest of your post Zana but I'm not sure what you're getting at here.

The wages aren't really building up in comparison to where we were. We've trimmed a fair amount of the excess from the squad and left ourselves with a very small squad of established players, supplemented by a lot of youth players on cheap wages. We're slowly adding players to that like Cox, Mackie and now Norwood who are experienced yet at a good age, relatively proven at this level and presumably wanted by the manager.

What isn't right about these types of player (as long as they're genuinely the managers choices)?

As for Hammond being responsible for bringing these in, everything we've ever been told about his role tells us that his input is relatively low and he just does the managers bidding for him. He isn't the scout. He may hold the purse strings to some extent, but he's only working within the parameters set out by the Chairman/Board.

[Royal Rother]

Spot on, imo.

[Tamworth_Royal]

Well there you go, proof if ever it was needed YET AGAIN.
Call comes in SELL SELL SELL

The Madejski way is shown to the new owners

Shameful this bloke is already showing the property developers his version on how to run a football club, sell and buy on the cheap over and over again.

Morrison didn't want to go so why sell ?????????? Money in as always and nowt spent on big signings (As usual)

Why do some of you keep harping on about this being good business ? it's never ever re-invested so how is that good for the people on the pitch and as a football club it's there that it matters.

Sold out failed again:

Uggh. Not sure where your ideas about how a club should be run are coming from, but if its influenced by experience with a popular computer game then you should realise that the financial aspect of that game has been changed to make football management more fun. After all, who would really want to simulate book keeping to supply footballers with their wages?

Saying that, you cant give Madejski a clean bill of health here. The reasons we are around the table with a bunch of new investors in the first place is because the AZ deal fell through and it was SJM that accepted the deal. I dont think SJM has been massively hard done by here - the Zingarevich's came with a reputation that was reinforced by the Zingarevich's inability to secure a holding in Everton because they were deemed unsuitable. We, the fans, have lost out because the club ha've been unable to make any sensible decisions about the make up of our squad in the transfer market, and Reading has become a less desirable place for footballers to ply their trade. This has been happening for two seasons almost entirely because of this sour AZ/SJM deal and SJM has to take some responsibility for it. In his defence, however, I believe he does feel some responsibility and, genuinely, his heart is in the right place.

As for the rest of your post, which can be summed up as you dont believe Morrison (or Le Fondre) should have been sold - the realities are quite straightforward.

1. There isnt a big market for selling players, especially for players that arent useful to teams in the top divisions. We would sell Drenthe (and probably Pogrebnyak) in a heartbeat if we could find a buyer
2. There is a black hole and it is CONSTANT
3. We have an academy (which is funded constantly as well) which is being funded for the purpose of (a) providing players for the first team or (b) providing transfer funds to the club.

It is these reasons that Morrison was sold. We believe we have enough centre backs and that his transfer fee will help the books. I dont believe for a second he was top of our list of players we would like to sell, but we cant sell our most undesireable players because, well, they are the most undesireable.

Le Fondre is a different case for me. Although we were/are struggling for strikers, his lack of minutes on the pitch was his ultimate downfall. For that reason, his departure for Cardiff is a combination of his and Adkins' responsibility.

My biggest gripe is not the players leaving the club but the players coming in. We're spending money and the fees/wages are building up, but we just dont seem to get the right players. I appreciate that the DOF job isnt plain sailing at this club, but Im starting to have real issues with Hammond's approach.

Said a newbie club spokesman YAWN

[Tamworth_Royal]

It's all going good isn't it lol

Fair play to Derby, renamed their Stadium to earn extra money and push on ....... Over to you ego man, pump personal cash to keep sponsoring the stadium, better still you Hammond ( oh Nicky Hammond lol sell sell sell bye bye bye Hammond) and Nigel ("what the feck does do and HOW MUCH DOES HE COST THE CLUB) Howe., just leave completely.

Look at us compared to Swansea, similar sized clubs, lost in play offs, joined them next year in Prem, ever since they have gone from strength to strength, us bottled it but to be fair they have a football intelligent chairman in Jenkins.

Adkins........ The perfect puppet ....... When the managements hands work, the manger says all the right things.

I was one of the 3% on the Get Reading site who predicted 15th in July as our final position..... Looking good


What a fecking mess this club has become

[Tamworth_Royal]

And tonight against a managerless winless team ?

If you had been there you would have seen plenty of spirit and togetherness. Really nice to see every sub embracing Kuhl as they left the pitch pre second half and he waited to make his debut. The second half performance also showed a fair helping of spirit. OK we made 2 errors first half to give away silly goals and whilst the possession game wasn't quite clicking because we didn't have the right players on the pitch we were getting a pattern of play together which will eventually work. Try coming to games and enjoying a very exciting season - if you are actually interested in seeing our youngsters making the step up to being senior players.

And at Forest Namesless lol
Another club newbie

[Tamworth_Royal]

Why do some of you keep harping on about this being good business ? it's never ever re-invested

Do you have any theories about what happens to all this money by any chance?

You tell me, .... Funny how many people defend the club policies are members from only 2 years or less ago lol. Putin uses similar propaganda tactics, revolt on mass after brainwashing the young. Sorry forgot Antons gone

[Martin41]

Why do some of you keep harping on about this being good business ? it's never ever re-invested

Do you have any theories about what happens to all this money by any chance?

You tell me, .... Funny how many people defend the club policies are members from only 2 years or less ago lol. Putin uses similar propaganda tactics, revolt on mass after brainwashing the young. Sorry forgot Antons gone

Please stop this ranting.......... You will give yourself a heart attack!!!!!! Also it's dull, dull, dull!!!
If you don't like what you believe is happening, don't watch or even take an interest anymore!

[Royal Rother]

15th whilst getting a dozen or more games into a load of youngsters would be a very satisfactory outcome this season. They have shown loads of promise but have so much to learn about the game at this level. Personally I'd rather they be doing the growing up bit in the 1st team squad under Adkins than being sent away for loan spell after loan spell.

I know it isn't the way of the modern football supporter (especially those of a club that has been as successful as Reading have been in recent times) but everyone needs to be patient. There are different ways of having successful season - it really doesn't have to be promotion every time.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

Am I right in saying this is essentially the same as the other thread i.e. lets spit our dummies out because we don't have sugar daddies spending their hard earned on superstars?

Just checking..

[Pseud O'Nym]

Am I right in saying this is essentially the same as the other thread i.e. lets spit our dummies out because we don't have sugar daddies spending their hard earned on superstars?

Just checking..

I think in essence he's saying "we've lost a couple of games and I'm not happy about it".

[Ian Royal]

15th whilst getting a dozen or more games into a load of youngsters would be a very satisfactory outcome this season. They have shown loads of promise but have so much to learn about the game at this level. Personally I'd rather they be doing the growing up bit in the 1st team squad under Adkins than being sent away for loan spell after loan spell.

I know it isn't the way of the modern football supporter (especially those of a club that has been as successful as Reading have been in recent times) but everyone needs to be patient. There are different ways of having successful season - it really doesn't have to be promotion every time.

Plus one.

[Millsy]

Surprise surprise apologists were wrong AGAIN and we're a bit f**ked. No one saw that coming eh? Surprised some of them are still using the same usernames though after uber-embarrassment

It is what it is though. Sir John, for all his faults, is still a top man and is doing his best. Still deserves a statue as far as I'm concerned. We've a strong academy and after a blip of perhaps a couple of years things will be ok one day I'm sure.

I prefer supporting a struggling Reading anyway