The truth about Royston...

[leww_rfc]

It's making the club look bad that we're willing to pay his wages but not let him play. We have to give him his wages either way(unless he's done something wrong) so just make him work his socks off in training, and if he refuses then the club can take disciplinary action.

[Royal Lady]

He's been given nothing to make him work his socks off in training - he could do that every day and Adkins won't play him.

As others have said, either terminate his contract for breach of contract due to all these supposed things he has done, or treat him like any other player and if he proves himself in training, with the first team, then give him a go in the team. If it is the case that the other players refuse to work with him, he must have done something wrong,in which case, sack him.

[Nomad_Royal]

He's been given nothing to make him work his socks off in training - he could do that every day and Adkins won't play him.

He is given a not inconsiderable wage to "make him work his socks off" in training or otherwise.

[Esteban]

He's been given nothing to make him work his socks off in training - he could do that every day and Adkins won't play him.

As others have said, either terminate his contract for breach of contract due to all these supposed things he has done, or treat him like any other player and if he proves himself in training, with the first team, then give him a go in the team. If it is the case that the other players refuse to work with him, he must have done something wrong,in which case, sack him.

It's not necessarily that black and white. If he's on a huge appearance bonus and Adkins doesn't think that he justifies it, then he can leave. If he's disruptive in training, then I suspect Adkins doesn't want him around the first team. However, disruptive doesn't mean he's in breach of contract.

I suspect we'll exhuast every possible avenue to move him on and if we can't, pay up his contract and release him.

[under the tin]

Maybe, just maybe Adkins takes the bigger view in that he's working with a relatively very young, and therefore, impressionable squad.

We've all seen that young players make decisions in their professional and private lives that shape their futures.

Some choose the path that Gylfi and Shane Long took.
Showed potential at an early stage, worked hard at their craft, and have gone on to make a comfortable living in the professional game.

Others, such as Byron Glasgow and James Lambert made a different choice after showing that early potential. Where are they now?

Forget about all the spurious allegations about what Royston is supposed to have/have not done. Just look at the empirical evidence of his CV.
Young Dutch wonderkid, full international, big money move to Real, then, a succession of different managers at different clubs all get rid.
No longer anywhere near the Dutch national squad, and now grubbing around in the second tier of English football. Hmmm.

Coincidence? All of them bad managers? All of the clubs were the wrong ones for him? Personal/emotional issues at every single club?
Bollox. There is an attitude problem there.

The frankly stupid haters are just using this a stick to beat Adkins with. He gets my support for his decision, because senior pro's at any club should be the role models for the up and coming youngsters, and were I manager, I'd want people like Bryn around, and would not be able to find a bargepole long enough to keep Drenthe away.

[Winston Smith]

either terminate his contract for breach of contract due to all these supposed things he has done, or treat him like any other player and if he proves himself in training, with the first team, then give him a go in the team.

if only life were that simple

[Extended-Phenotype]

Maybe his wages aren't that high and it's performance bonuses that make him expensive? In which case, I can understand why we aren't that bothered banishing him to train with the U21's.

For the record, I'm not questioning Drenthe's conduct allegations for use as a stick to bash Adkins with. Or to stick up for Drenthe (I don't rate him or particularly want him here). I'm just curious if this is Drenthe's fault or the clubs for signing him to a contract we no longer wish to honour - or maybe a bit of both.

Past conduct is still not proof he has done owt wrong here but of course it raises suspicion.

[Maguire]

it's performance bonuses that make him expensive

It's certainly not good performance bonuses that are breaking the bank.

[photographer]

Maybe, just maybe Adkins takes the bigger view in that he's working with a relatively very young, and therefore, impressionable squad.

We've all seen that young players make decisions in their professional and private lives that shape their futures.
Bollox. There is an attitude problem there.

The frankly stupid haters are just using this a stick to beat Adkins with. He gets my support for his decision, because senior pro's at any club should be the role models for the up and coming youngsters, and were I manager, I'd want people like Bryn around, and would not be able to find a bargepole long enough to keep Drenthe away.

So why has Adkins sent Drenthe to train with the U21's for the rest of his career? That tells me it's not that he's a particularly bad role model, or has behaved badly.

In spring 2014, Drenthe said that the club has tried to force him out during the whole winter break. They probably aren't paying his wages too. The club gave him the contract with his wage, it's their fault if they can't respect their sode of the deal and they are treating Drenthe very poorly. If something did happen on the training ground, i will still sympathise with drenthe as I'll be very angry if i was in his position too.

[Extended-Phenotype]

it's performance bonuses that make him expensive

It's certainly not good performance bonuses that are breaking the bank.

I did wonder why John Madejski did an anger-shit in the car park when Drenthe scored that free-kick.

[Extended-Phenotype]

Maybe, just maybe Adkins takes the bigger view in that he's working with a relatively very young, and therefore, impressionable squad.

We've all seen that young players make decisions in their professional and private lives that shape their futures.
Bollox. There is an attitude problem there.

The frankly stupid haters are just using this a stick to beat Adkins with. He gets my support for his decision, because senior pro's at any club should be the role models for the up and coming youngsters, and were I manager, I'd want people like Bryn around, and would not be able to find a bargepole long enough to keep Drenthe away.

So why has Adkins sent Drenthe to train with the U21's for the rest of his career? That tells me it's not that he's a particularly bad role model, or has behaved badly.

In spring 2014, Drenthe said that the club has tried to force him out during the whole winter break. They probably aren't paying his wages too. The club gave him the contract with his wage, it's their fault if they can't respect their sode of the deal and they are treating Drenthe very poorly. If something did happen on the training ground, i will still sympathise with drenthe as I'll be very angry if i was in his position too.

Dunno about you, but the first thing I'd do with a negative, drug taking, lazy, bad apple would be to stick him in training with our impressionable youth.

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

In what possible way would the new owners want to keep Drenthe, manager doesn't want him, he's not playing, he's been banished to train with the under 21s and he costs a fortune. Who in their right mind would take over a club and want to keep a player like that?

And I will still stick up for Drenthe until I have definitive proof that his being banished to the under 21s is nothing more than Adkins childish attempt to try and have some managerial "influence" because he didn't want him or sign him in the first place. IF all these stories were true, including taking coke, which is libellous without any proof whatsoever, by the way, we'd have got rid of him by terminating his contract.

If all of these allegations are mere conjecture, do we then take your explanation of Adkins throwing his toys out of the Pram as fact?

[photographer]

Drenthe is the second lightest midfielder in the squad (72kg) and has scored some goals which is impressive considering how little the manager has allowed him to play (did he ever actually start a game?)

[under the tin]

So why has Adkins sent Drenthe to train with the U21's for the rest of his career?

Possibly because Adkins knows about how old Royston actually views first team training sessions, how often he has actually attended them, and what his likely inclination to attend sessions with the under 21's is going to be.
Be under no illusion, sending any senior pro to train with the kids is universal football code for a punishment duty.
Whether or not the punished player actually attends those sessions is something the club only knows. Frankly I doubt it.

[Royal Lady]

In what possible way would the new owners want to keep Drenthe, manager doesn't want him, he's not playing, he's been banished to train with the under 21s and he costs a fortune. Who in their right mind would take over a club and want to keep a player like that?

And I will still stick up for Drenthe until I have definitive proof that his being banished to the under 21s is nothing more than Adkins childish attempt to try and have some managerial "influence" because he didn't want him or sign him in the first place. IF all these stories were true, including taking coke, which is libellous without any proof whatsoever, by the way, we'd have got rid of him by terminating his contract.

If all of these allegations are mere conjecture, do we then take your explanation of Adkins throwing his toys out of the Pram as fact?

Why would you? I'm saying that "could" be a reason, not that it definitely happened, unlike all these ITK's who reckon he decked Pearce, takes drugs, etc etc.

And just noticed I left an "and" out of that middle sentence Should read until I have definitive proof AND that his being banished....etc

[Tilehurstsouthbank]

In what possible way would the new owners want to keep Drenthe, manager doesn't want him, he's not playing, he's been banished to train with the under 21s and he costs a fortune. Who in their right mind would take over a club and want to keep a player like that?

And I will still stick up for Drenthe until I have definitive proof that his being banished to the under 21s is nothing more than Adkins childish attempt to try and have some managerial "influence" because he didn't want him or sign him in the first place. IF all these stories were true, including taking coke, which is libellous without any proof whatsoever, by the way, we'd have got rid of him by terminating his contract.

If all of these allegations are mere conjecture, do we then take your explanation of Adkins throwing his toys out of the Pram as fact?

Why would you? I'm saying that "could" be a reason, not that it definitely happened, unlike all these ITK's who reckon he decked Pearce, takes drugs, etc etc.

And just noticed I left an "and" out of that middle sentence Should read until I have definitive proof AND that his being banished....etc

Indeed we have very little in the way of facts about what's going on with Royston, but his track record makes appalling reading. You can see why fans might go from 'A' to 'C' without establishing 'B'.

[floyd__streete]

Excluding Drenthe from the squad is actually an indicator to me that Adkins is finally getting some things right after an absymal first full season in charge.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Floyd, are you warming to our Nige? This is going to make a great movie. Credits roll as the two of you embrace on the pitch at Pride Park, while the sun sets in the background. Fin?

[MmmMonsterMunch]

He's been given nothing to make him work his socks off in training - he could do that every day and Adkins won't play him.

As others have said, either terminate his contract for breach of contract due to all these supposed things he has done, or treat him like any other player and if he proves himself in training, with the first team, then give him a go in the team. If it is the case that the other players refuse to work with him, he must have done something wrong,in which case, sack him.

Sorry what the hell are you talking about RL?! He was presumably given a decent contract at Reading last summer!!!! Or does that constitute nothing? We saved him from the footballing wilderness where he had already been ditched by a no mark Russian club so I’d say that’s a decent incentive to do well no??

He wasn't match fit in August last season & never has been for his entire tenure here. Adkins has put up with his BS for an entire year & now Anton has fcuked off & Nigel has control again he’s probably thought “Do you know what mate, there are 18 year olds here more professional than you are so I’m fcuked if I’m picking you again. Now do one you complete cnut”

Fair play to him. The bloke is a useless waster who should do the honourable thing & get the fcuk out of our club.

Adkins was playing him & giving him chances right up to April – FACT.

He has had MORE than enough time.

Presumably Adkins is legally obliged to give him training facilities etc hence the inclusion with the kids.

[MmmMonsterMunch]

When I say Adkins is obliged, I mean the club obviously..