QPR points deduction?

[Silver Fox]

Isn't the "without QPR" bet a standard market?

cf The Masters "without Woods"

[Bacon Double Cheese]

Isn't the "without QPR" bet a standard market?

cf The Masters "without Woods"

Bit harsh for the longer par 5s

[Silver Fox]

ka-BOOM!

[facaldaqui]

bet365 are still offering 80/1 on RFC winning the Championship. No mention of QPR, no apparent special conditions.

Seems they are a step behind skybet.

Worth a punt maybe on teams 2-6 currently? Or do you think they could squirm out of it if QPR were taken out by a points deduction?

Or are the chances of a points deduction too remote to make it worthwhile?

Sod it, I'll put a tenner on RFC, Norwich Swansea and Cardiff. So basically its £40 at something like 40/1 that QPR get enough points taken off.

With my luck Leeds will walk it.

Check the terms of the bet carefully. Bookies are not usually this stupid.

[philM]

Isn't the "without QPR" bet a standard market?

cf The Masters "without Woods"

I can't see anything that actually mentions the points thing so you may well be right.

[RobRoyal]

Isn't the "without QPR" bet a standard market?

cf The Masters "without Woods"

I can't see anything that actually mentions the points thing so you may well be right.

SF is right. That there are two markets has nothing to do with any points deduction, and everything to do with QPR walking the league.

[philM]

If I had placed a bet at the start of the season on the team that ended up 2nd to QPR, I'd would expect to be paid if QPR got a points deduction. The odds have slowly drifted for RFC from the original 10/1(?) to 80/1 now. The fact the odds didn't react when QPR were charged suggests the bookies know that there won't be a points deduction. It would cause too much mayhem, both for the bookies/punters and for the other clubs that would be affected.

They won't have the balls to do it IMO. If I were to guess the outcome I think QPR will get away with it, because if they are found guilty they would have to take points off.

[leicsRoyal]

I would imagine that the bookies are covered on all eventualities.

Would they have something like a rule 5, or whatever it is, that is used in Horse racing?

[Royal Rother]

Rule 4...

[SpaceCruiser]

But if QPR are moved to say 10th - its still going to mess up the playoffs! Would you promote the playoff loser in their place? Or allow 3rd place automatic and 7th a playoff spot, only for the Court of Arbitration for Sport to overtrun this sometime in December?

Wasn't something like this done before when Swindon was stripped of their promotion, I think it was Sunderland who was promoted in their place?

[Svlad Cjelli]

But if QPR are moved to say 10th - its still going to mess up the playoffs! Would you promote the playoff loser in their place? Or allow 3rd place automatic and 7th a playoff spot, only for the Court of Arbitration for Sport to overtrun this sometime in December?

Wasn't something like this done before when Swindon was stripped of their promotion, I think it was Sunderland who was promoted in their place?

Swindon went up to Tier One by the play-offs, but the FA enquiry (after the end of the season) relegated them to Tier 3. After appeal, they stayed in Tier 2, so effectively lost the promotion.

[SpaceCruiser]

But if QPR are moved to say 10th - its still going to mess up the playoffs! Would you promote the playoff loser in their place? Or allow 3rd place automatic and 7th a playoff spot, only for the Court of Arbitration for Sport to overtrun this sometime in December?

Wasn't something like this done before when Swindon was stripped of their promotion, I think it was Sunderland who was promoted in their place?

Swindon went up to Tier One by the play-offs, but the FA enquiry (after the end of the season) relegated them to Tier 3. After appeal, they stayed in Tier 2, so effectively lost the promotion.

And Sunderland were the play-off losers.

[Mike Hunt]

In the Rugby League over here, last year Melbourne Storm were caught cheating the Salary Cap for the last 3-5 years.

The NRL then stripped them of all Premierships won in this time (2) and put them on 0 points for last season, and they were unable to gain any points for that season, placing them last for the 2010 season.

This was a harsh, but utterly fair, as they stripped everything from them that they had earned by cheating.

I know that this is a fair bit worse that the 1 player QPR are accused of, but still the same.

The NRL did this to stop other teams from doing the same. The message is sinking through to the clubs, and I am pretty certain that no clubs will run the gauntlet again. If the NRL can do this (normally seen as rather gutless) anyone can.

The Football League needs to follow this and punish QPR. A fine will not suffice. Points must be deducted. Why don't another team do what QPR did, get promoted and then cop the meager fine that will be handed out? 60 million vs 50K fine??? An example needs to be made, or why would other teams not do it? I would if I was a chairman, and saw how easy it is to get away with.

[Mr Angry]

To be fair to QPR, I'm sure that its all a big misunderstanding, and at no time was any skullduggery intended.

After all, its not as if any of their owners have ever done anything morally reprehensible, or cheated in any sporting field is it??

Now, if one of their owners had, for sake of argument, been the owner of an F1 motor racing team and instructed one of their drivers to deliberately crash his F1 car, to ensure their other driver won the race and so help him achieve the F1 Championship (thus endangering that drivers life and the lives of other drivers, stewards and spectators) then I would be HIGHLY suspicious of these claims.......








Oh!

[Tony Le Mesmer]

We are going to finish 3rd, QPR will get points deducted and we will go up. Its justice for 1995!

Seriously though, if they get off pretty much scott free you have to ask yourself why you still go to professional games in football anymore.

Countless teams financial doping and affectively getting away with it, Pompey in the extreme, football clubs being stolen by other towns (MK Dons), the Carlos Tevez affair, the whole "im a professional footballer so im above the law" thing. Sooner or later the game will just collapse like its done in Italy. And the bigger you are the harder you fall.

[Snowball]

Forget the guy's name there but there are lots of
very dodgy financial allegations against a director
including "loans from the club"

[Ian Royal]

Wouldn't want to finish second and have QPR geta points deduction so we win the league. That would cheapen it for us. I would however heartily laugh my arse off if we finished third and they got a deduction pushing us up into second.

[FiNeRaIn]

When are they actually going to issue this punishment?

[leicsRoyal]

it will be a very strange way to celebrate promotion for the QPR fan in the next couple of weeks.

[Z175]

the more i think about it the more I can't see it. They would obviously appeal and then everything would be up in the air. If they allow them up and the 3rd placed team sues for money ala sheff utd, well its better than not knowing whos going up.