Harte Signs

[Snowball]

Carlisle lost AGAIN?

Now 13 games to see how Carlisle are doing

P4 W2 D2 L0 08-03 GD of +5 in 4 (GD + 1.250 per game) 08 Points from 4 games = 2.00 points per game = 92 Point Season 57 goal GD With Harte
P9 W3 D2 L4 10-09 GD of +1 in 8 (GD + 0.125 per game )11 Points from 9 games = 1.22 points per game = 56 Point Season 05 goal GD W/O Harte


They have dropped a projected 36 points per season and a 52 goal fall in projected GD


Anyone still prepared to say they are doing as well as when Harte was there?

[Snowball]

Goal Supremacy

Reading 3rd-Best Team in the league


1 13 +21 +1.62 Queens Park Rangers
2 12 +10 +0.83 Cardiff City
3 13 +07 +0.54 Reading
3 13 +07 +0.54 Watford

[Snowball]

Defence

Reading Second-Best Defence in the League

1 13 04 0.31 Queens Park Rangers
2 13 11 0.85 Reading
3 12 11 0.92 Cardiff City


PS, Since Harte began playing for us, now 9 games, 5 clean sheets, only 6 goals conceded. 0-0-0-0-0-1-1-1-3


We need to ship him out asap.

[Snowball]

Even with those two very recent 1-0 defeats



Since Gylfi Left

League 2010 P09 W4 D2 L3 13-6 GD +7 = 1.56 points per game = 71.56 point season (70 was good enough for the play-offs last year)

[Snowball]

CURRENT FORM from Statto... Reading 6th

01 6 5 1 0 1 0 17 07 +10 16 2.67 Portsmouth
02 6 4 1 1 3 2 14 05 +09 13 2.17 Derby County
03 6 4 1 1 1 2 09 07 +02 13 2.17 Cardiff City
04 6 3 2 1 2 0 09 06 +03 11 1.83 Nottingham Forest
05 6 3 2 1 4 2 07 05 +02 11 1.83 Swansea City
06 6 3 1 2 3 2 09 03 +06 10 1.67 Reading
07 6 2 4 0 4 3 06 02 +04 10 1.67 Queens Park Rangers
08 6 3 1 2 2 1 09 06 +03 10 1.67 Coventry City
09 6 3 1 2 3 2 09 07 +02 10 1.67 Norwich City
10 6 3 1 2 0 1 15 15 +00 10 1.67 Preston North End
11 6 2 3 1 3 2 11 08 +03 09 1.50 Burnley


Burnley's 6-Game Form before today was

W2 D4 L0 11-4 (Plus they beat Bolton 1-0 in League Cup)

[Snowball]

Carlisle grab a draw! Wooopeee!

Now 13 games to see how Carlisle are doing

P04 W2 D2 L0 08-03 GD of +5 in 04 games (GD + 1.250 per game) 08 Points from 04 games = 2.00 points per game = 92 Point Season 57 goal GD With Harte
P10 W3 D3 L4 11-10 GD of +1 in 10 games (GD + 0.100 per game )12 Points from 10 games = 1.20 points per game = 55 Point Season 04 goal GD W/O Harte


They have dropped a projected 37 points per season and a 53 goal fall in projected GD


Anyone still prepared to say they are doing as well as when Harte was there?

I said they would be out of the top six by Xmas. They are now TENTH

1 14 16 31 Brighton
2 14 6 23 Huddersfield
3 14 3 23 Colchester
4 14 11 22 Bournemouth
5 14 2 22 Peterborough
6 14 -1 22 Charlton
7 14 8 21 Sheff Wed
8 14 4 21 Oldham
9 14 4 21 Southampton
10 14 6 20 Carlisle


They were top and undefeated when Harte left

They've dropped almost exactly a place per game since Harte left, while Reading have risen from 13th to 6th

Anyone still prepared to say they are doing as well as when Harte was there?[/quote]

[Snowball]

Since Gylfi Left

League 2010 P10 W5 D2 L3 17-9 GD +8 = 1.70 points per game = 78.20 point season (70 was good enough for the play-offs last year)

[From Despair To Where?]

Snowball, give it a rest, no-one gives a oxf*rd anymore, they've all died of boredom.

[roadrunner]

Since Gylfi Left

Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

[cmonurz]

Since Gylfi Left

League 2010 P10 W5 D2 L3 17-9 GD +8 = 1.70 points per game = 78.20 point season (70 was good enough for the play-offs last year)

Completely irrelevant. No team maintains their form over a specific 10-game period (or fewer games in some of your posts on this thread) for a full 38-game season such that this extrapolation is relevant.

[Snowball]

Since Gylfi Left

League 2010 P10 W5 D2 L3 17-9 GD +8 = 1.70 points per game = 78.20 point season (70 was good enough for the play-offs last year)

Completely irrelevant. No team maintains their form over a specific 10-game period (or fewer games in some of your posts on this thread) for a full 38-game season such that this extrapolation is relevant.

It is not a PREDICTION, Gwhath-hopper.


It's a way of showing what 1.70 points-per-game "MEANS"

Just remember that for ALL Gylfi's games, or for just the Gylfi games under McDermott,
whether you include or exclude cups, and excluding the three games where Gylfi was sub (we lost all three)

the best EVER points per game with Gylfi was 1.489, ten points a season WORSE than we are currently doing.

We are doing better than when Gylfi was here. FACT

[Victor Meldrew]

Getting back to the original point of this topic-Harte.
In all my years of watching Reading I can only think of Paul Bodin and Stuart Gray as being worse left-backs than Ian Harte.
His superb free-kick only clouds the issue IMHO.
A left-back is in the side first and foremost to defend and in the last two home games he has been dreadful.
I really do hope that Brian gets a clearer vision of the left-back position as today Harte's contribution comes out at NIL.
He was totally at fault for their 3rd goal and then scored our 3rd so net he has effectively done nothing.
.

[Snowball]

Getting back to the original point of this topic-Harte.
In all my years of watching Reading I can only think of Paul Bodin and Stuart Gray as being worse left-backs than Ian Harte.
His superb free-kick only clouds the issue IMHO.
A left-back is in the side first and foremost to defend and in the last two home games he has been dreadful.
I really do hope that Brian gets a clearer vision of the left-back position as today Harte's contribution comes out at NIL.
He was totally at fault for their 3rd goal and then scored our 3rd so net he has effectively done nothing.
.

So why do you suppose McDermott keeps playing Harte rather than Armstrong?

Even with those 3 conceded goals today we have conceded just 9 goals in ten games.

[Snowball]

Harte has played the last ten games (conceding 9 goals)

Here is the league table for defence

1 14 05 0.36 Queens Park Rangers 2ND in League
2 14 12 0.86 Cardiff City TOP of League
2 14 12 0.86 Swansea City 3RD in League
4 14 14 1.00 Reading 6TH in League
4 14 14 1.00 Nottingham Forest

Forget all the BS arguments and subjective opinions. This is a factual table


And we are pretty high in attack terms too

1 14 28 2.00 Cardiff City
2 14 26 1.86 Queens Park Rangers
2 14 26 1.86 Watford
4 14 25 1.79 Derby County
5 14 23 1.64 Doncaster Rovers
5 14 23 1.64 Leeds United
7 14 22 1.57 Reading
7 14 22 1.57 Burnley


And Goal Supremacy?

1 14 +21 +1.50 Queens Park Rangers
2 14 +16 +1.14 Cardiff City
3 14 +08 +0.57 Reading
3 14 +08 +0.57 Derby County
3 14 +08 +0.57 Swansea City

[Millsy]

Getting back to the original point of this topic-Harte.
In all my years of watching Reading I can only think of Paul Bodin and Stuart Gray as being worse left-backs than Ian Harte.
His superb free-kick only clouds the issue IMHO.
A left-back is in the side first and foremost to defend and in the last two home games he has been dreadful.
I really do hope that Brian gets a clearer vision of the left-back position as today Harte's contribution comes out at NIL.
He was totally at fault for their 3rd goal and then scored our 3rd so net he has effectively done nothing.
.

I'm inclined to agree and I *hate* knocking players.

His goal was phenomenal but it's worrying me a little that we have a striker who can't score goals but who seems to do good non-striker jobs.

And we have a left-back who *might not* be very good at defending (I'm not going to comment on whether or not I agree with this as I don't think I've concentrated on him enough to say to be honest) but can score.

Therefore we're getting our goals from midfield/defence and we must be getting our good defensive record from somewhere else.

Or perhaps there's something far more subtle going on here. Perhaps Brian has moulded a team that's far greater than its individual parts. Everyone is doing everything. Defenders are scoring. Strikers are getting in deep and battling/defending. Whatever it is though the table doesn't lie.... but then again the table can only tell us how good we are, not how good we SHOULD be i.e. yes we're good, but if we fix the left-back situation with, say Armstrong and we fix the Long fiasco with another striker or we go 4-4-2 will we do a lot better?

I'll leave that one to Brian!

[Snowball]

I'm inclined to agree and I *hate* knocking players.

His goal was phenomenal but it's worrying me a little that we have a striker who can't score goals but who seems to do good non-striker jobs.

And we have a left-back who *might not* be very good at defending (I'm not going to comment on whether or not I agree with this as I don't think I've concentrated on him enough to say to be honest) but can score.

Therefore we're getting our goals from midfield/defence and we must be getting our good defensive record from somewhere else.

Or perhaps there's something far more subtle going on here. Perhaps Brian has moulded a team that's far greater than its individual parts. Everyone is doing everything. Defenders are scoring. Strikers are getting in deep and battling/defending. Whatever it is though the table doesn't lie.... but then again the table can only tell us how good we are, not how good we SHOULD be i.e. yes we're good, but if we fix the left-back situation with, say Armstrong and we fix the Long fiasco with another striker or we go 4-4-2 will we do a lot better?

I'll leave that one to Brian!

I sincerely believe we have a GREAT defence. Look at the figures. 9 goals conceded in the last ten games! Note this is post-Gylfi when we got in Harte and then Kish. I confess they often worry my unprofessonal eye, and sometimes I think, "We got away with that." But at this level sides DO get away with it. Doncaster should have been dead and buried before the equalised.

The dumb punters (and they really ARE dumb) keep saying "Harte got rinsed."

It wasn't a Harte rinsing that caused the first goal, it was HRK allowing the player to cross.
It wasn't a Harte rinsing that gave away the (unfair) free-kick. It was Howard's tackle (which I thought was a good tackle.)
It wasn't a Harte rinsing that gave away the third goal. It was harte's fault but nothing to do with speed.

The only other goal so far that ANYONE has said was due to Harte was at Bristol where Griffin failed to stop the cross, Harte failed to get the flight of the ball right, the player headed back across goal, and Mills (fouled) failed to block. So NOT A SINGLE GOAL THIS SEASON HAS BEEN SCORED AGAINST READING DIRECTLY BECAUSE A WINGER DID HARTE FOR SPEED.


He IS slow, painfully, but he's very, very clever.

[Snowball]

I see Harte got the assist for Mills goal, also gave HRK a free-header (and, of course scored a free-kick and is now our second top-scorer
despite only playing 10 of our 14 games.


What a great buy!

[Gordons Cumming]

Getting back to the original point of this topic-Harte.
In all my years of watching Reading I can only think of Paul Bodin and Stuart Gray as being worse left-backs than Ian Harte.
His superb free-kick only clouds the issue IMHO.
A left-back is in the side first and foremost to defend and in the last two home games he has been dreadful.
I really do hope that Brian gets a clearer vision of the left-back position as today Harte's contribution comes out at NIL.
He was totally at fault for their 3rd goal and then scored our 3rd so net he has effectively done nothing.
.

He carried his child all the way from the players entrance to the players car park.
That's got to be worth something..................?

[Snowball]

I see Harte has scored more senior goals this season than any other Reading FC player


5 Goals in 14 Games.


Not bad for someone a thousand years old.

[cmonurz]

He's not a thousand, he's 33. More bad stats.