Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by melonhead » 21 Oct 2013 11:09

dont usually like to agree with EP

but its certainly a sign or symptom indicative of some sort of problem with the original plan to sell the whole thing and move aside to become life president.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Extended-Phenotype » 21 Oct 2013 11:36

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It's not SJM staying on that's the problem. It's SJM's staying on that is a sign of a problem.


Utter drivel


Why is it "drivel"?

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Woodcote Royal » 21 Oct 2013 11:43

Ian Royal Interesting that you see SJM staying on as Chairman for two years as another sign of a problem. Personally I'd say it's a sign of the opposite.


Rightly or wrongly, I have always been of the understanding that SJM is under no obligation to sell his minority interest. If this the case, him choosing to retain 49% for the foreseeable future would mean not a lot either way but I'm inclined to agree with you.

Surely the biggest fear here is of assets and funds getting ripped from the club. If this is the case, why elect to fork out the kind of mega wages to the likes of Roberts and Pog that must make SJM go weak at the knees every time he looks at the balance sheet :|

I would not be shocked to hear that our new owners are not as financially pure as the driven snow as this is the reality of international business. Whilst our attachment will always be emotional, theirs will always be primarily financial. As such, and as they tip toe through a very murky minefield to ensure they pay the lowest possible taxes in the cheapest possible corner of the planet, they won't be offering any needless titbits in this respect to the fan base.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Extended-Phenotype » 21 Oct 2013 11:58

Little signals.

No money spent in January window. Anton says Brian didn't spend the money. Brian says that was bullshit.

Summer promises not met. Lots of backtracking by club. Adkins clearly not satisfied. Forced to dip into emergency loans.

Buyout deadline missed. No comment from club regarding a new completion date. Radio silence as to why buyout deadline missed.

Accounts failed to be submitted.

SJM suddenly announces that, in defiance of previous plans, he will stay on as chairman for another two years. No explanation given as to why.


Not saying the above is definitive proof of something catastrophic. But with the clubs bizarre aversion to talking about anything, it does seem to point to a problem, even if it might be a small or temporary one.

RTG's new stance seems to be "it's none of our business", but I don't really see that being a counter argument to whether there is a problem or not.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Norfolk Royal » 21 Oct 2013 12:03

All the points you mentioned might be relevant, they might not, nobody really knows except the main players.

The only real fact is that SJM has been asked to stay on for two more years.

In terms of whether money is tight, the signings of Baird, Drenthe, Bridge, on high wages, Sharpe's loan signing, point in the other direction.


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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Uke » 21 Oct 2013 12:07

They point to increased spend, but also we can sell them all on easily too

Are Drenthe and Sharp looking like bargains at the moment?

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Extended-Phenotype » 21 Oct 2013 12:16

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In terms of whether money is tight, the signings of Baird, Drenthe, Bridge, on high wages, Sharpe's loan signing, point in the other direction.


Unless of course the club could afford these players without Anton via parachute payments and prem money.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Nameless » 21 Oct 2013 12:31

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In terms of whether money is tight, the signings of Baird, Drenthe, Bridge, on high wages, Sharpe's loan signing, point in the other direction.


Unless of course the club could afford these players without Anton via parachute payments and prem money.


Of course they would have been affordable but under SJM we would not have chosen to spend. AZ has brought a change of attitude. Two people can have the same pot of money in front of them and chose to do different things. Under SJM we also wouldn't have chosen to pay for Roberts, or Cat or the new training ground. We would also have probably stuck with Brian.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by HoneyRoastHoax » 21 Oct 2013 12:34

Extended-Phenotype blah blah blah


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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Extended-Phenotype » 21 Oct 2013 12:38

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Extended-Phenotype blah blah blah


:lol:

Ooo, ouch.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Ian Royal » 21 Oct 2013 13:17

Extended-Phenotype Little signals.

No money spent in January window. Anton says Brian didn't spend the money. Brian says that was bullshit.

Summer promises not met. Lots of backtracking by club. Adkins clearly not satisfied. Forced to dip into emergency loans.

Buyout deadline missed. No comment from club regarding a new completion date. Radio silence as to why buyout deadline missed.

Accounts failed to be submitted.

SJM suddenly announces that, in defiance of previous plans, he will stay on as chairman for another two years. No explanation given as to why.


Not saying the above is definitive proof of something catastrophic. But with the clubs bizarre aversion to talking about anything, it does seem to point to a problem, even if it might be a small or temporary one.

RTG's new stance seems to be "it's none of our business", but I don't really see that being a counter argument to whether there is a problem or not.

Lots of that is your view of very ambiguous information. I'd instantly reject half of it as total supposition or deliberately skewed to fit your already formed view.

Not sure I understand your previous post as it seemed to be countering what I'd said, but actually just repeatted it.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Nameless » 21 Oct 2013 13:29

Ian Royal Lots of that is your view of very ambiguous information. I'd instantly reject half of it as total supposition or deliberately skewed to fit your already formed view.

Not sure I understand your previous post as it seemed to be countering what I'd said, but actually just repeatted it.


I'm struggling to come to terms with how far we have come as a club when we glibly consider spending over a million on a player equates to 'spending nothing'.

Of course there is context to consider but even so....

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by SPARTA » 21 Oct 2013 13:53

Extended-Phenotype Little signals.

No money spent in January window. Anton says Brian didn't spend the money. Brian says that was bullshit.

Summer promises not met. Lots of backtracking by club. Adkins clearly not satisfied. Forced to dip into emergency loans.

Buyout deadline missed. No comment from club regarding a new completion date. Radio silence as to why buyout deadline missed.

Accounts failed to be submitted.

SJM suddenly announces that, in defiance of previous plans, he will stay on as chairman for another two years. No explanation given as to why.


Not saying the above is definitive proof of something catastrophic. But with the clubs bizarre aversion to talking about anything, it does seem to point to a problem, even if it might be a small or temporary one.

RTG's new stance seems to be "it's none of our business", but I don't really see that being a counter argument to whether there is a problem or not.


Bang on!


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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Hoop Blah » 21 Oct 2013 14:34

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Extended-Phenotype Little signals.

No money spent in January window. Anton says Brian didn't spend the money. Brian says that was bullshit.


Bang on!


This one for starters isn't true though is it?

IIRC Brian only ever said he spent all the money available to him over the summer when it was a club decision to basically go with what they had.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by winchester_royal » 21 Oct 2013 14:53

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Extended-Phenotype Little signals.

No money spent in January window. Anton says Brian didn't spend the money. Brian says that was bullshit.


Bang on!


This one for starters isn't true though is it?

IIRC Brian only ever said he spent all the money available to him over the summer when it was a club decision to basically go with what they had.


IIRC Brian himself said that Anton was prepared to put his hand in his pocket to sign Gylf and that that was a positive sign for Reading supporters

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Green » 21 Oct 2013 15:00

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Really hope #readingfc fans ask for answers from the stands on Saturday, pressure needs to be applied to TSI. Know I will be!

What is he expecting? A silent sit down protest?


I'd like to protest against him. Deary me, the comparisons to Portsmouth and the like are so woefully ill-informed and inaccurate based on current 'evidence' that I'd happily back RFC in any legal actions they might be tempted to take.


:lol:

Only just seen this - spot on :mrgreen:

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by melonhead » 21 Oct 2013 15:07

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The only real fact is that SJM has been asked to stay on for two more years.

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tbf to EP- who i like to disagree with

all of things he listed were FACTS

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Extended-Phenotype » 21 Oct 2013 15:25

Ah, Melon-Phenotype day.

Everything is reset to zero with some agreement so the friction of natural and relished conflict never escalates above the secret threshold.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Norfolk Royal » 21 Oct 2013 15:29

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The only real fact is that SJM has been asked to stay on for two more years.

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tbf to EP- who i like to disagree with

all of things he listed were FACTS


I'll take your word for that as I didn't really read it.

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Re: Anton To Face Fans Backlash?

by Extended-Phenotype » 21 Oct 2013 15:30

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The only real fact is that SJM has been asked to stay on for two more years.

.


tbf to EP- who i like to disagree with

all of things he listed were FACTS


I'll take your word for that as I didn't really read it.


That was pretty f/cking obvious tbf. I'd be surprised if you even read yours.

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