The squad in July

[MartinRdg]

Noticed this on the club website: https://www.readingfc.co.uk/teams

Mbengue, Hoilett, CBC and Jahmari Clarke are all still listed on the club website (the latter two as U21s) - whereas all released players are no longer listed. I don't know whether that suggests they are all staying, but I would've thought they'd've been removed by now if they weren't.

I wouldn't read too much into that as we still seems to have Ince as manager https://www.readingfc.co.uk/club/whos-who

[Brogue]

Noticed this on the club website: https://www.readingfc.co.uk/teams

Mbengue, Hoilett, CBC and Jahmari Clarke are all still listed on the club website (the latter two as U21s) - whereas all released players are no longer listed. I don't know whether that suggests they are all staying, but I would've thought they'd've been removed by now if they weren't.

I wouldn't read too much into that as we still seems to have Ince as manager https://www.readingfc.co.uk/club/whos-who

[Royal_jimmy]

Luke Amos in + another 8 signings and I'll be happy. Expect we'll sign 3-4 on loan

[72 bus]

Noticed this on the club website: https://www.readingfc.co.uk/teams

Mbengue, Hoilett, CBC and Jahmari Clarke are all still listed on the club website (the latter two as U21s) - whereas all released players are no longer listed. I don't know whether that suggests they are all staying, but I would've thought they'd've been removed by now if they weren't.

I wouldn't read too much into that as we still seems to have Ince as manager https://www.readingfc.co.uk/club/whos-who

Far too many staff is what I take away from that.

[hughsies no.1]

Would take Fornah, Lumley, Hoilett and Mbengue back straight away. All aside from Hoilett I reckon are possible & would be top end L1 players.

Walcott would be an incredible L1 signing given how many games in PL he played last season, but surely still a long shot.

Centre half is a key position if Selles wants to play from the back, as Holmes and TMac definitely need some assistance there.

Andy Carroll key to this season too, his physicality in L1 will be pivotal.

[Hound]

Luke Amos in + another 8 signings and I'll be happy. Expect we'll sign 3-4 on loan

Do wonder if we’re trying to move away from loans a bit. We became a bit reliant on them due to the finances but can’t think of a recent one that’s really worked out. Maybe the lot Gomes got in.

Had a few ones which were useful - Semedo, Lumley, Pele etc and a few which did some sort of job - Drinkwater, Hendrick - but generally been pretty disappointing

[Royal_jimmy]

Luke Amos in + another 8 signings and I'll be happy. Expect we'll sign 3-4 on loan

Do wonder if we’re trying to move away from loans a bit. We became a bit reliant on them due to the finances but can’t think of a recent one that’s really worked out. Maybe the lot Gomes got in.

Had a few ones which were useful - Semedo, Lumley, Pele etc and a few which did some sort of job - Drinkwater, Hendrick - but generally been pretty disappointing

I hope we reduce our reliance on loans as well. Some loan signings can be good, I remember when John Salako joined us on loan who was fantastic for example. If we get the right characters in they can bring a lot to the team.

Ideally we want loan players we may want to buy later, not blooding other clubs' kids when we have a crop of our own unless they're far far better than what we have.

[Orion1871]

Luke Amos in + another 8 signings and I'll be happy. Expect we'll sign 3-4 on loan

Do wonder if we’re trying to move away from loans a bit. We became a bit reliant on them due to the finances but can’t think of a recent one that’s really worked out. Maybe the lot Gomes got in.

Had a few ones which were useful - Semedo, Lumley, Pele etc and a few which did some sort of job - Drinkwater, Hendrick - but generally been pretty disappointing

Hope so. It's vital for the future that we go for quality and not quantity with the loans. You can't build a team and a squad for the long term if you're filling the loan slots up every year.

[Royal_jimmy]

I hope with the players we sign that we've done due diligence on their suitability/ability to perform Selles' preferred pressing style of play. Rather than just signing a bunch of good league one players who are available and making them fully adapt to a new system. The former is less likely to work.

In league one players make more mistakes so we need too ensure the remaining signings we bring in are able to capitalise and punish opponents who make errors.

[WestYorksRoyal]

Luke Amos in + another 8 signings and I'll be happy. Expect we'll sign 3-4 on loan

Do wonder if we’re trying to move away from loans a bit. We became a bit reliant on them due to the finances but can’t think of a recent one that’s really worked out. Maybe the lot Gomes got in.

Had a few ones which were useful - Semedo, Lumley, Pele etc and a few which did some sort of job - Drinkwater, Hendrick - but generally been pretty disappointing

I hope we reduce our reliance on loans as well. Some loan signings can be good, I remember when John Salako joined us on loan who was fantastic for example. If we get the right characters in they can bring a lot to the team.

Ideally we want loan players we may want to buy later, not blooding other clubs' kids when we have a crop of our own unless they're far far better than what we have.

Most loan signings in recent years have been emergency loans because we have no players in a certain position and we've had to take whatever we can get. It's no surprise it hasn't worked out. But the loan market can be used very effectively. A Matt Upson at CB alongside a Ryan Bertrand at LB would be great.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

Luke Amos in + another 8 signings and I'll be happy. Expect we'll sign 3-4 on loan

Do wonder if we’re trying to move away from loans a bit. We became a bit reliant on them due to the finances but can’t think of a recent one that’s really worked out. Maybe the lot Gomes got in.

Had a few ones which were useful - Semedo, Lumley, Pele etc and a few which did some sort of job - Drinkwater, Hendrick - but generally been pretty disappointing

I hope we reduce our reliance on loans as well. Some loan signings can be good, I remember when John Salako joined us on loan who was fantastic for example. If we get the right characters in they can bring a lot to the team.

Ideally we want loan players we may want to buy later, not blooding other clubs' kids when we have a crop of our own unless they're far far better than what we have.

That is the purpose of loans though, we are meant to bring in players that are better than what we have that will benefit the team, not just making someone else's players better and more experienced.

Quite a few haven't worked out that well recently, some have. But the loan players we've brought in are still better than what we would have had without them.

They can be an effective, short-term solution to improve the team, ultimately we just need to bring in better loan players that are more suited to our style of play, which can bring out more in the player themselves. That would be good to use if we have an U23 player who maybe needs another year before they are ready for first team involvement or need a loan somewhere.

[MartinRdg]

Do wonder if we’re trying to move away from loans a bit. We became a bit reliant on them due to the finances but can’t think of a recent one that’s really worked out. Maybe the lot Gomes got in.

Had a few ones which were useful - Semedo, Lumley, Pele etc and a few which did some sort of job - Drinkwater, Hendrick - but generally been pretty disappointing

I hope we reduce our reliance on loans as well. Some loan signings can be good, I remember when John Salako joined us on loan who was fantastic for example. If we get the right characters in they can bring a lot to the team.

Ideally we want loan players we may want to buy later, not blooding other clubs' kids when we have a crop of our own unless they're far far better than what we have.

That is the purpose of loans though, we are meant to bring in players that are better than what we have that will benefit the team, not just making someone else's players better and more experienced.

Quite a few haven't worked out that well recently, some have. But the loan players we've brought in are still better than what we would have had without them.

They can be an effective, short-term solution to improve the team, ultimately we just need to bring in better loan players that are more suited to our style of play, which can bring out more in the player themselves. That would be good to use if we have an U23 player who maybe needs another year before they are ready for first team involvement or need a loan somewhere.

What I don't like is when it appears that we have to play loan players when they are fit even if they are not playing very well and there is a better non-loan player who could replace them (thinking of Baba here)

[blythspartan]

I would like loan signings restricted to 3 players. I only want young hungry players who are better than we have and are fully committed to the challenge and have something to prove to their parent club.

[Clyde1998]

I hope we reduce our reliance on loans as well. Some loan signings can be good, I remember when John Salako joined us on loan who was fantastic for example. If we get the right characters in they can bring a lot to the team.

Ideally we want loan players we may want to buy later, not blooding other clubs' kids when we have a crop of our own unless they're far far better than what we have.

That is the purpose of loans though, we are meant to bring in players that are better than what we have that will benefit the team, not just making someone else's players better and more experienced.

Quite a few haven't worked out that well recently, some have. But the loan players we've brought in are still better than what we would have had without them.

They can be an effective, short-term solution to improve the team, ultimately we just need to bring in better loan players that are more suited to our style of play, which can bring out more in the player themselves. That would be good to use if we have an U23 player who maybe needs another year before they are ready for first team involvement or need a loan somewhere.

What I don't like is when it appears that we have to play loan players when they are fit even if they are not playing very well and there is a better non-loan player who could replace them (thinking of Baba here)

Exactly - I believe we would've done better last season had NGW played more ahead of Rahman. I do also wonder how much it impacts the players motivation to perform when they know they have to be played when fit. We should really avoid any loans where that's the terms of deal in the future.

[YorkshireRoyal99]

That is the purpose of loans though, we are meant to bring in players that are better than what we have that will benefit the team, not just making someone else's players better and more experienced.

Quite a few haven't worked out that well recently, some have. But the loan players we've brought in are still better than what we would have had without them.

They can be an effective, short-term solution to improve the team, ultimately we just need to bring in better loan players that are more suited to our style of play, which can bring out more in the player themselves. That would be good to use if we have an U23 player who maybe needs another year before they are ready for first team involvement or need a loan somewhere.

What I don't like is when it appears that we have to play loan players when they are fit even if they are not playing very well and there is a better non-loan player who could replace them (thinking of Baba here)

Exactly - I believe we would've done better last season had NGW played more ahead of Rahman. I do also wonder how much it impacts the players motivation to perform when they know they have to be played when fit. We should really avoid any loans where that's the terms of deal in the future.

But then you'll probably get little because players will want to be played and clubs will want players to be played as well, so if we don't get them someone else will. And knowing our fanbase, there would be uproar if someone turned down the chance to play someone who ended up successful elsewhere. Imagine we pulled out of loaning Rak-Sakyi because we had to play him for a certain % of games, only for him to go and hit 15 goals for Charlton last season and be successful.

I would also much rather us use our own and wouldn't want us loaning for the sake of filling something. But there's usually a clear benefit to having someone there. I don't think we'd have done any better with NGW, probably not much worse either. They were different sort of players as well, NGW obviously better going forward than Rahman, but the latter better defensively. We should certainly explore the loan market if it means our youngsters can then be afforded a season out on loan to develop more. 40+ games of senior football and standing out a level below is far better than fleeting squad/sub appearances for me.

[Hound]

YR is obsessed with loaning out our young players

[Snowflake Royal]

Loan agreements to play people 100% of the time if fit are for mugs. The manager picks the team, not some prick in Chelsea's contract team.

Loan agreements to play people who were bang average the season before 100% of the time if fit are for absolute dribbling morons.

[Royal Monkey]

Loan agreements to play people 100% of the time if fit are for mugs. The manager picks the team, not some prick in Chelsea's contract team.

Loan agreements to play people who were bang average the season before 100% of the time if fit are for absolute dribbling morons.

Well said couldn’t agree more !

[CountryRoyal]

Loan agreements to play people 100% of the time if fit are for mugs. The manager picks the team, not some prick in Chelsea's contract team.

Loan agreements to play people who were bang average the season before 100% of the time if fit are for absolute dribbling morons.

Cough Reading fc cough

[Sutekh]

And do we have 100% proof that Reading had loan agreements where the loan players had to play if fit or is it just random dribblings trying to make sense of why Paul Ince kept picking certain players? Can I remind you all that the manager at the time the teams were selected was Paul Ince, someone who, while not statistically the worst ever Reading manager, certainly felt like he was at the time.