Harte is Rubbish, not good enough for the Championship

[Snowball]

As a defender sometimes you have to leave your man to cover your teammates error. It's a gamble that the opposition don't exploit the space you leave, but the man on the ball is more dangerous than the man in space.

Not saying Harte was at fault, I don't really think he was, but I'm just pointing out where the stats and even per goal analysis doesn't mean he's played well or not.

Let's phrase it another way.

To date, as far as I can see, he's not been DIRECTLY responsible for any of our conceded goals

whereas other players HAVE been skinned or made basic errors.

[From Despair To Where?]

That's a really bad case of OCD Snowball. I think you should seriously consider getting help.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As usual, when the FACTS show that Harte gets a lot of goals that are NOT penalties
(disproving the unsubstantiated bollox of too-many posters, then attack the messenger.

I repeat.5 penalties from 15 goals, 3 goals dunno.

So a game by game breakdown of whether he scores or not that takes up 80% of your post but adds absolutely nothing to the point your are making isn't in any way obsessive and compulsive?

[Hoop Blah]

That's a really bad case of OCD Snowball. I think you should seriously consider getting help.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As usual, when the FACTS show that Harte gets a lot of goals that are NOT penalties
(disproving the unsubstantiated bollox of too-many posters, then attack the messenger.

I repeat.5 penalties from 15 goals, 3 goals dunno.

Even your own list above says he scored six pens Snowball!

Add in the one he scored from a rebounded save from his own penalty and that's 7 as a direct result of being the penalty taker.

[Snowball]

Even your own list above says he scored six pens Snowball!

Add in the one he scored from a rebounded save from his own penalty and that's 7 as a direct result of being the penalty taker.

SIX, yes, one of them I hadn't "bolded" and missed

However the scoring from a penalty save is NOT a penalty-scored.

Let's say, today, Harte takes a penalty, the keeper saves it and LONG follows up to score.

Do we say Long scored a penalty?

So Harte scored 6-3-6 in the 15 goals I could find, 6 pens, 3 free-kicks, 6 other

[Snowball]

So a game by game breakdown of whether he scores or not that takes up 80% of your post but adds absolutely nothing to the point your are making isn't in any way obsessive and compulsive?

They were my notes.

[Hoop Blah]

However the scoring from a penalty save is NOT a penalty-scored.

Let's say, today, Harte takes a penalty, the keeper saves it and LONG follows up to score.

Do we say Long scored a penalty?

So Harte scored 6-3-6 in the 15 goals I could find, 6 pens, 3 free-kicks, 6 other

In reality though Harte has only scored it because he's the penalty taker. As a fullback it's VERY unlikely he'd have been following up a penalty and the point of the discussion is how many goals he'd got by virtue of his set piece abilities.

It's where your stats, or their application of them, fails to meet the reality of football.

[Snowball]

The club site mentioned that Karacan was in this week's Team of the Week.

The previous week Kebe and Harte made it.

Just spotted that Harte made Team of the Week on his debut weekend.

So he debuts 11-Sept, makes it into TotW and has been with us 24 whole days and been in team of the week TWICE, already

[RobRoyal]

The club site mentioned that Karacan was in this week's Team of the Week.

The previous week Kebe and Harte made it.

Just spotted that Harte made Team of the Week on his debut weekend.

So he debuts 11-Sept, makes it into TotW and has been with us 24 whole days and been in team of the week TWICE, already

Yes, that will happen if you get on the scoresheet as a defender, because the mongs that choose the team hardly look further than that.

Stop being so willfully naive when supporting your arguments, Snowball. It's painful.

[Snowball]

The club site mentioned that Karacan was in this week's Team of the Week.

The previous week Kebe and Harte made it.
Just spotted that Harte made Team of the Week on his debut weekend.
So he debuts 11-Sept, makes it into TotW and has been with us 24 whole days and been in team of the week TWICE, already

Yes, that will happen if you get on the scoresheet as a defender, because the mongs that choose the team hardly look further than that.

Stop being so willfully naive when supporting your arguments, Snowball. It's painful.

YOU say. I disagree.

I say, a man, "one thousand years old", "past it", and "too-slow", to come into a side which was on five points from five games
and had just lost its star player, to score twice and keep three clean sheets in six games, is quite superb
and his double-selection for team of the week in just three weeks is the recognition he deserves.


I love the way "fans", the vast majority with no football qualifications, can just write off professionals as mongs.

Why should we think you are better at assessing Team of the Week than a committee of journos/ex-payers?

[RobRoyal]

Why should we think you are better at assessing Team of the Week than a committee of journos/ex-payers?

Because I pay more attention to Championship football than they do.

Next you'll be telling me that I have to defer to Alan Shearer's opinion on MoTD. Where did that Ben Arthur guy come from anyway?

By the way, I don't deny Harte's had a great start and it's looking like a pretty good piece of business (let's put aside for a minute that we should have strengthened further in the transfer window). I'm just not going to support my opinion by noting that it coincides with the Team of the Week panel. I rate my argumentative skills too highly to cheapen them.

[Snowball]

Why should we think you are better at assessing Team of the Week than a committee of journos/ex-payers?

Because I pay more attention to Championship football than they do.

Next you'll be telling me that I have to defer to Alan Shearer's opinion on MoTD. Where did that Ben Arthur guy come from anyway?

By the way, I don't deny Harte's had a great start and it's looking like a pretty good piece of business (let's put aside for a minute that we should have strengthened further in the transfer window). I'm just not going to support my opinion by noting that it coincides with the Team of the Week panel. I rate my argumentative skills too highly to cheapen them.

So selection for Team of the Week is totally random, then.
It could just as easily be 8 Bristol City players and 3 from Crystal Palace.

Thanks for clarifying.


My judgment of Harte is based on:

(a) A very well-taken penalty, a penalty he virtually insisted on taking.

(b) One excellent free-kick which went in.

(c) A few free kicks that went close

(d) Some solid defensive play, unflappability and being part of 3 blank sheets in six games.

(e) Some very solid passing and a few brilliant balls from deep, esp to Kebe.

(f) Excellent follow-up play like the recent 25 yard shot that went just wide.

(g) The fact that the manager picks him over Armstrong

(h) And THEN the fact that he has made Team of the Week twice in four weekends.

So, as well as my own subjective judgment, I have the "support" of Mac's team-selection, the stats, and lastly, his two selections for TotW

[RobRoyal]

Why should we think you are better at assessing Team of the Week than a committee of journos/ex-payers?

Because I pay more attention to Championship football than they do.

Next you'll be telling me that I have to defer to Alan Shearer's opinion on MoTD. Where did that Ben Arthur guy come from anyway?

By the way, I don't deny Harte's had a great start and it's looking like a pretty good piece of business (let's put aside for a minute that we should have strengthened further in the transfer window). I'm just not going to support my opinion by noting that it coincides with the Team of the Week panel. I rate my argumentative skills too highly to cheapen them.

So selection for Team of the Week is totally random, then.
It could just as easily be 8 Bristol City players and 3 from Crystal Palace.

Thanks for clarifying.


My judgment of Harte is based on:

(a) A very well-taken penalty, a penalty he virtually insisted on taking.

(b) One excellent free-kick which went in.

(c) A few free kicks that went close

(d) Some solid defensive play, unflappability and being part of 3 blank sheets in six games.

(e) Some very solid passing and a few brilliant balls from deep, esp to Kebe.

(f) Excellent follow-up play like the recent 25 yard shot that went just wide.

(g) The fact that the manager picks him over Armstrong

(h) And THEN the fact that he has made Team of the Week twice in four weekends.

So, as well as my own subjective judgment, I have the "support" of Mac's team-selection, the stats, and lastly, his two selections for TotW

If you believe he's done well - as he has - then argue from the evidence, don't use two-bit pundits to back up your opinions.

That's not a tough concept to grasp, Snowball. From (a) to (h), you're on reasonable ground. Leave it at that.

[Hoop Blah]

Why should we think you are better at assessing Team of the Week than a committee of journos/ex-payers?

You realise that they don't actually see the players play don't you? They throw these things together on the match reports passed to them by the generic reports they get from the games...you know, those reports that usually bear very little resemblence to the games you've watched and can refer to players who don't play for us or are suspended and out of the side etc etc.

[brendywendy]

please stop the gay bitch fest

[juanpablo]

Why should we think you are better at assessing Team of the Week than a committee of journos/ex-payers?

You realise that they don't actually see the players play don't you? They throw these things together on the match reports passed to them by the generic reports they get from the games...you know, those reports that usually bear very little resemblence to the games you've watched and can refer to players who don't play for us or are suspended and out of the side etc etc.

so very true the worst part is when they start bandwagoning eg Hunt, Doyle would be in the team of the week and get 8/9 ratings regardless of how bad/good they were

[brendywendy]

harte made the team because he had a good game and scored a goal.

stop gaying it up in here

[Ferris]

The Frenzy has spoken.

[Snowball]

From (a) to (h), you're on reasonable ground. Leave it at that.

I did.

[Snowball]

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[cmonurz]

When much of the debate around Harte has centred on whether he is a good enough defender, outside of the goals he scores, what is the use of referencing Actim stats, which have been shown to favour goalscorers?


How is Long doing, Actim-wise?