Magic Number

[Arch]

Nope, sorry both of you. It's not 12 by any twist of logic. If we beat Soton on Friday it's +3 to us and -3 to them and the new magic number will be .... 7. To think that since earning twelve points will guarantee us promotion, the magic number is 12 is to make the same mistake as various others earlier in the thread. Our earning twelve entails Soton losing points, which is the reason why +12 to us will do the trick - it gets us to the magic thirteen (and beyond).

[Mr Angry]

I suppose that was also intended to be a tongue in cheek (about the use od the word Soccer)?

What is oft forgotten is that Soccer is actually an English word not an Americanisation.

I rest my case!

Close to a whoosh.....

[Silver Fox]

exactly, for those who still don't get it enjoy this run of results, we go WWLL (+6) and Southampton go LLWW(-6) netting 12 off of our magic number, who wins the title?*

*probably, massive GD swing notwithstanding

[Mr Angry]

Nope, sorry both of you. It's not 12 by any twist of logic. If we beat Soton on Friday it's +3 to us and -3 to them and the new magic number will be .... 7. To think that since earning twelve points will guarantee us promotion, the magic number is 12 is to make the same mistake as various others earlier in the thread. Our earning twelve entails Soton losing points, which is the reason why +12 to us will do the trick - it gets us to the magic thirteen (and beyond).

I'm not sure I follow you; for us to win promotion (not to win the Championship) we need to get 7 more points; that will ensure that West Ham can't catch us. We then get promotion.

Finishing ahead of Southampton is an irrelevence for securing promotion.

[Maguire]

Common sense >>> trying to Americanise football

The 's' in "Americanise" is a thing of beauty.

*tips hat*

The thing I like about you Bandini is that you always get it. Makes me feel like my efforts aren't wasted.

[Maguire]

Nope, sorry both of you. It's not 12 by any twist of logic. If we beat Soton on Friday it's +3 to us and -3 to them and the new magic number will be .... 7. To think that since earning twelve points will guarantee us promotion, the magic number is 12 is to make the same mistake as various others earlier in the thread. Our earning twelve entails Soton losing points, which is the reason why +12 to us will do the trick - it gets us to the magic thirteen (and beyond).

I'm not sure I follow you; for us to win promotion (not to win the Championship) we need to get 7 more points; that will ensure that West Ham can't catch us. We then get promotion.

Finishing ahead of Southampton is an irrelevence for securing promotion.

It's the magic number v Southamption though, not to get promoted

tbh there's so much confusion on this thread I think it illustrates that you really have overcomplicated a simple matter

[Arch]

Nope, sorry both of you. It's not 12 by any twist of logic. If we beat Soton on Friday it's +3 to us and -3 to them and the new magic number will be .... 7. To think that since earning twelve points will guarantee us promotion, the magic number is 12 is to make the same mistake as various others earlier in the thread. Our earning twelve entails Soton losing points, which is the reason why +12 to us will do the trick - it gets us to the magic thirteen (and beyond).

I'm not sure I follow you; for us to win promotion (not to win the Championship) we need to get 7 more points; that will ensure that West Ham can't catch us. We then get promotion.

Finishing ahead of Southampton is an irrelevence for securing promotion.

If WHU get 12 more points and we get six more points, then we need Soton to lose at least seven more points and we're promoted in virtue of finishing ahead of Southampton. Six plus seven equals thirteen - the magic number for us wrt Soton.

[ZacNaloen]

So the promotion number is seven after last night, right?

[Arch]

Nope, sorry both of you. It's not 12 by any twist of logic. If we beat Soton on Friday it's +3 to us and -3 to them and the new magic number will be .... 7. To think that since earning twelve points will guarantee us promotion, the magic number is 12 is to make the same mistake as various others earlier in the thread. Our earning twelve entails Soton losing points, which is the reason why +12 to us will do the trick - it gets us to the magic thirteen (and beyond).

I'm not sure I follow you; for us to win promotion (not to win the Championship) we need to get 7 more points; that will ensure that West Ham can't catch us. We then get promotion.

Finishing ahead of Southampton is an irrelevence for securing promotion.

It's the magic number v Southamption though, not to get promoted

tbh there's so much confusion on this thread I think it illustrates that you really have overcomplicated a simple matter

It's all relative, though. Over here, this thread would have consisted of an occasional posting of a number and everyone would have got it and moved on. The sense that it's overcomplicated is the sense that the multiple scenarios aren't worth thinking about. "WNG" and all that. Once you do start getting into all the what-ifs, the magic number concept is really quite useful for keeping it straight from game to game.

[Mr Angry]

Nope, sorry both of you. It's not 12 by any twist of logic. If we beat Soton on Friday it's +3 to us and -3 to them and the new magic number will be .... 7. To think that since earning twelve points will guarantee us promotion, the magic number is 12 is to make the same mistake as various others earlier in the thread. Our earning twelve entails Soton losing points, which is the reason why +12 to us will do the trick - it gets us to the magic thirteen (and beyond).

I'm not sure I follow you; for us to win promotion (not to win the Championship) we need to get 7 more points; that will ensure that West Ham can't catch us. We then get promotion.

Finishing ahead of Southampton is an irrelevence for securing promotion.

It's the magic number v Southamption though, not to get promoted

tbh there's so much confusion on this thread I think it illustrates that you really have overcomplicated a simple matter

Eh? Surely the words "magic number" might be a clue? Its the current number of points we need to get to secure us promotion.

That figure may change after Friday if we win or draw, or it might change on Saturday if West Ham lose or draw; if we lose and West Ham win, it remains at 7.

[Arch]

Eh? Surely the words "magic number" might be a clue? Its the current number of points we need to get to secure us promotion.

This is not the concept.

[Maguire]

It's the magic number v Southamption though, not to get promoted

Eh? Surely the words "magic number" might be a clue? Its the current number of points we need to get to secure us promotion

lol@you

[Silver Fox]

It's the level of lack of comprehension I expect from certain posters, but I'm surprised at Mr Angry's fail here

[Mr Angry]

Stay ahead of...hmmm, fair enough.

The only thing that matters is promotion; for that we need 7 points. As far as I'm concerned, thats the current target.

[RoyalChicagoFC]

So the promotion number is seven after last night, right?

RFC vis-à-vis West Ham --yes (and such is to make the reasonable assumption that Brum, by virtue of our winning a point somewhere or of their own failure to take maximum points from any one of their remaining matches, won't catch us)

Put another way: if West Ham were to finish any worse than 1-3-0 --and a minimum of two wins would be needed for them to get a better finish than that-- then we'd be up as long as we fulfill our remaining fixtures irrespective of outcomes (again, assuming that Brum drop at least a point --or, as actuality would have it, two)

Southampton (and, for that matter, everybody else) are a separate account and need to be viewed thus --it of course remains possible, albeit very unlikely, that West Ham finish top and that in the end it's Saints and Reading fighting for the runners-up place, so that's an account well worth keeping open (and it's rather needless to add that even if we do get clear of West Ham for good and thus secure promotion, we'd welcome it nonetheless as champions and would want to track the number to a conclusion)

So anyway Z to say "Reading's magic number for promotion now stands at 7" isn't wholly accurate absent the WHU qualific8ion --but you're clear on the general concept

[Ian Royal]

So to sum it up

Magic number for 1st = 13 (Saints)
Magic number for 2nd = 7 (West Ham)
Magic Number for 3rd = 1 (Birmingham)

[TBM]

So to sum it up

Magic number for 1st = 13 (Saints)

12

[Ian Royal]

So to sum it up

Magic number for 1st = 13 (Saints)

12

No. Because if we get 12, Saints have dropped at least 3, giving a total of 15, and we finish at least 3 points clear. It's not how many points we need to win, because we could win the league with 2 more points.

As someone else said, Two wins for us = -6, two loses for Saints = -6 (Total 12). That still means two wins for them and two loses for us mean they finish 1st.

[Rev Algenon Stickleback H]

So to sum it up

Magic number for 1st = 13 (Saints)

12.

We can't get 13 points from 4 games, but if we get 12 then the most they can pick up is nine, so we'd be champions.

There are 4 games left, not 5.

[Ian Royal]

So to sum it up

Magic number for 1st = 13 (Saints)

12.

We can't get 13 points from 4 games, but if we get 12 them the most they can pick up is nine, so we'd be champions.

It's not about how many points we get.

oxf*rd hell it's been explained about 5 times on this thread. I give up.