Fans Forum on Thursday

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Esteban » 05 Sep 2012 13:18

starliaison I am sure a lot on here will not sympathise but it is the posts such as many on this thread that is the reason the rest of the STAR Board are not willing to post on here. There are not enough masochists on the Board to take on the constant abuse and negativity here.

There will be efforts to communicate elsewhere in the RFC universe but not here.


STAR you really do yourselves no favours at all. You do some things very well, but you are going to have to get used to taking criticism, constructive and abusive.

You really don't represent the majority of Reading fans I know. The Fans Forums should be re-named 'STAR Members' forums. Trying to make the content of them exclusive in this day and age of social media, clearly isn't going to work. You need to work smarter and harder if you want to give your members more value. You've got a Facebook and Twitter account, so you have the ability to drip feed information in to the public domain which will quench the thirst for knowledge that fans of all clubs have. Modern businesses understand that 'if you can't beat them, join them' is the best way to control information. Like it or not, you will have to move with the times.

You've got to be more approachable and less elitist. When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing. I frankly don't care what anybody thinks of the way I choose to support the club, but she is/was your chairperson and that is not the way to talk to Reading fans, if you are the top representative of the supporters trust. And now you are alienating the biggest Reading FC fans forum, because you don't like faceless people calling you names!

You are not that relevant to a vast number of fans, which may be unfair on your organisation, but that is the perceived view of many. By taking the attitude of 'your loss', which you appear to be doing here, is the wrong way to go about moving your organisation forward. I appreciate that it must take up a lot of your spare time collectively, but that it the responsibility you've taken on.

Feel free to respond however you see fit, Starliaison.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Alexander Litvinenko » 05 Sep 2012 13:19

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moonwalklikebas STAR just keep finding ways of embarrassing themselves and alienating the majority of fans!
Do us a favour and fold!!


HNA? isn't the majority of fans. This is all an HNA? vs STAR thing don't act like it has anything to do with the majority of RFC fans. It's an exclusive club of fans arguing with another exclusive club of fans over the minutes of a meeting.


it's not even that - it's a hard-core of about 10 or so vocal people who've adopted this as the latest internet "cause" to make a noise about.

But I agree that STAR has lost control of it's narrative and its public image, and if they disengage from a forum like this where people's voices are disproportionately loud compared to their actual numbers, that STAR will face this criticism.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Yellowcoat » 05 Sep 2012 13:22

Why do you (RL) think you are more representative of the fans than STAR? Just because you have befriended a few like minded people on a forum over many years does not put you at forefront when it comes to consultation. The numbers certainly do not match up however you twist them.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Maguire » 05 Sep 2012 13:23

Alexander Litvinenko I suspect lots of people did - the two problems (IMHO) are that people don't put any real value onto representation (their right, of course, but they can't expect it for nothing), and that STAR's member base is too small and too skewed to a particular type of supporter to be truly representative.


Agree with you there.

As I say, I'm not personally all that fussed - we're customers and RFC is a business and I have no interest in spending my leisure time engaged in sycophantic interaction with "the Club". Fair enough if other people are but let's not pretend they're the voice of Reading.

RL is obviously a mental so I won't comment on her.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by KDRF » 05 Sep 2012 13:34

The thing that annoys me most is they act like they are a massive organisation that can be arrogant and not care so much what people think, yet are so amateur in approcach to there customers AKA the fans. I could and would have been interested in STAR if it wasn't for their arrogant and 'we don't care what people think' approach. If tesco suddenly started doing this and selling out of date food because they didnt give a fukk then they would go outta business very quickly. An extreme case but similiar.


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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Maguire » 05 Sep 2012 13:37

KDRF The thing that annoys me most is they act like they are a massive organisation that can be arrogant and not care so much what people think, yet are so amateur in approcach to there customers AKA the fans. I could and would have been interested in STAR if it wasn't for their arrogant and 'we don't care what people think' approach. If tesco suddenly started doing this and selling out of date food because they didnt give a fukk then they would go outta business very quickly. An extreme case but similiar.


STAR aren't a business, RFC are.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by The Rouge » 05 Sep 2012 13:38

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starliaison I am sure a lot on here will not sympathise but it is the posts such as many on this thread that is the reason the rest of the STAR Board are not willing to post on here. There are not enough masochists on the Board to take on the constant abuse and negativity here.

There will be efforts to communicate elsewhere in the RFC universe but not here.

When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


Fack King Hell :!:

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Alexander Litvinenko » 05 Sep 2012 13:38

You do realise they're all volunteers, don't you?

Perhaps more members contributing more money in membership fees would both enable them to do things more professionally and also increase the talent pool of potential Board members?

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by The Rouge » 05 Sep 2012 13:46

:arrow: see 'don't get it' post.


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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Esteban » 05 Sep 2012 13:51

Alexander Litvinenko You do realise they're all volunteers, don't you?

Perhaps more members contributing more money in membership fees would both enable them to do things more professionally and also increase the talent pool of potential Board members?


Couldn't agree with you more. My point is that they don't do enough to engage people and although £10 is a small sum of money, it still doesn't represent good value for what you get - unless you happen to use their transport for away games.

I'm not anti-STAR at all, but the post that Starliaison felt the need to write was asking for trouble. I was a STAR member for some time and frankly, it's not worth the administration exercise to join, in my experience of them.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Esteban » 05 Sep 2012 13:52

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Esteban
starliaison I am sure a lot on here will not sympathise but it is the posts such as many on this thread that is the reason the rest of the STAR Board are not willing to post on here. There are not enough masochists on the Board to take on the constant abuse and negativity here.

There will be efforts to communicate elsewhere in the RFC universe but not here.

When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


Fack King Hell :!:


Quite. Point taken.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by mr_number » 05 Sep 2012 13:55

Esteban
You've got to be more approachable and less elitist. When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


this Paula Martin?

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Pepe the Horseman » 05 Sep 2012 13:59

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Esteban
You've got to be more approachable and less elitist. When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


this Paula Martin?


I think I love her


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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by STAR Liaison » 05 Sep 2012 14:07

Esteban You've got to be more approachable and less elitist. When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


Well I will respond - it was a joke :D Most people before you were taking them and joking about using them as fans - you know the sort that you wave in front of your face to cool you. To think I get accused of taking myself too seriously.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by The Rouge » 05 Sep 2012 14:09

Still looking for joke..


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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by bigmike » 05 Sep 2012 14:12

starliaison
Esteban You've got to be more approachable and less elitist. When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


Well I will respond - it was a joke :D Most people before you were taking them and joking about using them as fans - you know the sort that you wave in front of your face to cool you. To think I get accused of taking myself too seriously.


Oh I see it was a joke :roll:

Suggesting to someone that didnt take one of the most annoying things at matches since those rumble stix wasnt a proper fan..

Trying to dig yourself out of a hole by suggesting that you ment that it was because they werent using them as fans to cool themselves ... Now thats the joke..

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by STAR Liaison » 05 Sep 2012 14:18

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Esteban You've got to be more approachable and less elitist. When my brother and I walked through the turnstiles at the Stoke game, we were met by Paula Martin, who offered us a clapper each. We politely declined, but she felt the need to retort "Too cool to be a proper Reading fan then?" and started laughing.


Well I will respond - it was a joke :D Most people before you were taking them and joking about using them as fans - you know the sort that you wave in front of your face to cool you. To think I get accused of taking myself too seriously.


Oh I see it was a joke :roll:

Suggesting to someone that didnt take one of the most annoying things at matches since those rumble stix wasnt a proper fan..

Trying to dig yourself out of a hole by suggesting that you ment that it was because they werent using them as fans to cool themselves ... Now thats the joke..


Well you can think what you want and I know what I meant at the time. I think Esteban added 'proper' to what I said but I'm not about to go and ask the others who were there as further evidence as I am well aware that I can do no right is some people's eyes.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by LoyalRoyalFan » 05 Sep 2012 14:20

NOBODY WANTS THE oxf*rd CLAPPERS

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Platypuss » 05 Sep 2012 14:21

LoyalRoyalFan NOBODY WANTS THE oxf*rd CLAPPERS


Patently and demonstrably not true.

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Re: Fans Forum on Thursday

by Alexander Litvinenko » 05 Sep 2012 14:22

LoyalRoyalFan I SPEAK FOR ABSOLUTELY oxf*rd EVERYONE


Corrected for you! :wink:

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