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[royal_ross]

Really, really poor effort by the fans today. Booing players and manager alike who have been performing above their ability for years and were heroes about 4 weeks ago.

Get a sense of perspective ffs, anyone with half a brain can see that the side we were able to field today would struggle to hold its own in the championship and people who have worked miracles at this club are being booed because we can't beat a team with several multi million pound players in their squad. If I was McDermott, the next good result we have, i'd tell the fans to go and fukk themselves afterwards, ditto Leigetwood.

We are losing because we are not good enough, not through any lack of effort.

Spoilt twats

Plus one.

Today was not a bad performace just a bad result. If that lino had not flagged offside for a perfectly good goal then who knows? Benteke cost more than our sqaud on his own. Get real.

Plus two.

Sums up my feelings. Felt like getting a mega phone and screaming shut the f**k up during that 2nd half.

[John Madejski's Wallet]

That said, we really need to try HRK up front. He really is quite good (& strong) in-and-around the box

I thought he gave one of his best Reading performances today.

[Gunny Fishcake]

Simply complete utter sh*te , players utterly devoid of confidence managed by a poor bloke on the edge devoid of ideas or leadership , it really is quite sad .

[Whore Jackie]

It's the utter disappointment in their voices when, McAnuff for example, puts a decent cross in, that riles me the most.

[RoyallyFcuked]

McAnuff looked busy today but seemed to feel the need to beat the same player two or three times before attempting a cross or shot.

He always does that, and on the few occasions he does put a good cross in there is no one there to head it.

[chilipepper91]

When we lost to Wigan, that was their first League win of 2013.

This was Villa's second League win of 2013.

[AthleticoSpizz]

...and first game that they have won all season having come back from a deficit.

Typical bloody Reading

[Ouroboros]

When we lost to Wigan, that was their first League win of 2013.

This was Villa's second League win of 2013.

It's almost like we're one of the worst teams in the league, isn't it?

[sandman]

When you're in trouble and can't buy a win who ya gonna call? Reading.

[RoyallyFcuked]

Leigertwood is just too slow and not skilful enough for the PL so why the f*ck he starts every week in beyond me. He gives the ball away far more than he completes a pass and so it was today. He gave the ball away for both goals and nearly every other time he got it.

Exactly. The decision to start him every week has been quite a big chunk of the problem. He cant pass, he cant tackle, he cant really do anything except give the ball away. Yes he was good the last two seasons, but it has been clear that he is out of his depth at this level for a long time. But because the manager is also, he didnt do what he should have done and dropped like Ledge ages ago, like he eventually did to Gorkss. But no, as long as we keep the favourites happy it doesn't matter if we go down.

[ManchesterRoyals]

Leigertwood is just too slow and not skilful enough for the PL so why the f*ck he starts every week in beyond me. He gives the ball away far more than he completes a pass and so it was today. He gave the ball away for both goals and nearly every other time he got it.

Exactly. The decision to start him every week has been quite a big chunk of the problem. He cant pass, he cant tackle, he cant really do anything except give the ball away. Yes he was good the last two seasons, but it has been clear that he is out of his depth at this level for a long time. But because the manager is also, he didnt do what he should have done and dropped like Ledge ages ago, like he eventually did to Gorkss. But no, as long as we keep the favourites happy it doesn't matter if we go down.

This is what really pisses me off with BM saying no favorites but plays him week in week out and then comes out today and says hes been great for the last 3 years

[Ian Royal]

Really, really poor effort by the fans today. Booing players and manager alike who have been performing above their ability for years and were heroes about 4 weeks ago.

Get a sense of perspective ffs, anyone with half a brain can see that the side we were able to field today would struggle to hold its own in the championship and people who have worked miracles at this club are being booed because we can't beat a team with several multi million pound players in their squad. If I was McDermott, the next good result we have, i'd tell the fans to go and fukk themselves afterwards, ditto Leigetwood.

We are losing because we are not good enough, not through any lack of effort.

Spoilt twats

I don't think the fans reaction was in any way based on the amount of efforts that Legs made today. It was clear for everyone to see, as it has been throughout this season, that whatever the amount of effort he puts in; he is in way over his head. Now that's not his fault, but no moves have been made to sign a more capable replacement and, it seems, his is still the first name on the teamsheet. This in time leads to frustration amongst the fans. Yes, he played a huge part in the success of last season and deservedly received rich praise for that part. That does nothing to make him immune from frustrations arising from his abject performances this season. Personally, i feel the responsibility rests with the board and management, but it's only natural that some of the more reactive fans will pillory the player in the absence anyone else. This doesn't seek to justify the booing (which is never acceptable to your own players).

Excellent post the players and manager are the ones there when things are going wrong, so obviously they'll get the stick. The fact is we''ve been either abject or tactically retarded for virtually the entire season. That comes down to players who aren't quite good enough, but could just about keep us up, being mismanaged to the point of no hope.

Personally I don't think you'd find many other clubs where the fans would take so long to start really laying into the team and manager. Its hardly surprising after losing at home to two of the worst teams in the division that it happens. Especially after the false dawn of Brian seemingly learning the error of his ways, giving us s fighting chance and then throwing it all away again.

Saying that, I don't really agree with booing your own team, especially during the game. I don't think there's any way it can help. But it is a reality of football.

[windermere_royal]

The booing comes from frustration, bloody frustration that we have thrown away (again) what most of us have thrived for over the years . we all love this bloody club to bits and it hurts to the pit of my stomach how we are being embarrassed at this level. all we ever wanted was an effort from the board management and players. we are not seeing it from any of them. I guess the players can only perform to the ability they have. but it was to to McD and co to address the bleeding obvious. this nightmare of a season can`t end quickly enough for me.

[BraisingsteakRoyal]

Don't agree with the abuse of individuals, but it wasn't like it was pre-meditated or only a small section of the ground booing - it was a pretty overwhelming majority. Unless someone can suggest other ways that 24,000 people can voice collective disapproval, i think booing may continue. We could try silence (no one would notice) although I'd like to see a good old fashioned Gladiator-style thumbs down in the direction of the dug out.

And I don't think people were booing Legs himself (or if they were then they are definite spacktards - its not like he's not trying, I'm sure he's playing to the best of his ability week in week out), more the collective frustration at his (and Jobis, and others) seeming immunity from being dropped following numerous poor performances or when the tactics involving them just don't work.

There's no reason why we can't keep Brian, and give him til the end of the season to show us the start of a new way of playing that is going to get us back up. New blood, new formations, new ideas. The results don't matter now, how we recover (and improve the way we play) in time for next season, does.

[Victor Meldrew]

What struck us most was ,just like the "must-win" game v Wigan, the team were spineless.
Too often players were staying down after the flimsiest of challenges,too often were the players having a go at the lino rather than re-focusing on the game and too often players pointing their fingers at others as they tried to blame them for their own mistakes.
If this is a united team playing for the shirt I would eat my hat,if I had one.

I think all of this got to the fans today,fans that have been really supportive all season with our club in and around the relegation positions.
Fans will accept getting outplayed by Arsenal or Man Utd but to be outplayed and more importantly outfought by both Wigan and Villa is very difficult to accept.

[AthleticoSpizz]

and on reflection, both wigwam and villa have now done the double on us, we are where we should be

[RoyallyFcuked]

Leigertwood is just too slow and not skilful enough for the PL so why the f*ck he starts every week in beyond me. He gives the ball away far more than he completes a pass and so it was today. He gave the ball away for both goals and nearly every other time he got it.

Exactly. The decision to start him every week has been quite a big chunk of the problem. He cant pass, he cant tackle, he cant really do anything except give the ball away. Yes he was good the last two seasons, but it has been clear that he is out of his depth at this level for a long time. But because the manager is also, he didnt do what he should have done and dropped like Ledge ages ago, like he eventually did to Gorkss. But no, as long as we keep the favourites happy it doesn't matter if we go down.

This is what really pisses me off with BM saying no favorites but plays him week in week out and then comes out today and says hes been great for the last 3 years

Yeah dont get me wrong, I like the fact that at Reading the players who got us to the PL get a fair crack at playing in it. But when they are not only not good enough, but also contibuting far more bad than good, then for the good of the club they should be dropped. Ledge has had more than a fair crack, does he really contribute anything that another average player couldnt? No. He hasnt actually provided a single assist this season, not even ONE. I mean, I know we never play through the middle (we dont know how), but seriously a CM who has started every game bar one, not to have a single assist to your name is a joke. What any of the players did last season is irrelevant, because the hard work they put in during that time is being wasted by getting relegated because of decisions like this.

McDermott might have got us to the PL, but he is far more the reason why we probably wont be in it next season. As we know, we wernt even that good last season, we didnt dominate games, we had good 20 minute spells, much like this season. Resilience, momentum and luck got us promoted last season, and I dont think McD is to thank for any of the points we have earned by coming back late on this season. We have Le Fondre to thank for most of that, not his tactics. It's almost like the players think you know what? oxf*rd the tactics we havent got long left to get something here, lets just play how we want. Yet McD gets plaudits for his motivation and never say die team spirit. What, like the spirit we showed against Wigan and Villa? Are you kidding me?

Some truly pathetic performances against our relegation rivals is another of the biggest factors. These matches are where the players and manager know they are under pressure, because our fans think we have a chance, even maybe expect us to win. But, they have failed miserably as we have not won a single match against any of them, and apart from a point at QPR, I dont think we even have any points from them. That means that we do not deserve to stay up. At least we now definitely know what to expect when Saints and QPR come to the Madejski. Yes, more of that same shit resulting in resounding home defeats as everyone's survival hopes are kept alive, except ours.

[soggy biscuit]

,fans that have been really supportive all season with our club in and around the relegation positions..

Disagree. They have been booing at times for quite a few weeks now and McAnuff has had more abuse thrown at him than I can remember any Reading player getting in the past, some of it utterly disgusting too.

If you believe that the '12th' man can make a positive difference then you need to acknowledge that it can also make a negative impact on the match. A lot of the supporters there need to accept the part they have played in this.

[windermere_royal]

[Arnie_Pie]

Loyalty to certain players will take us down from the Premiership, which is exactly what happened last time. If we have any hope of survival, Brian really needs to become ruthless and drop certain players and try something new. We have nothing more to lose than where we are now.