by Snowball » 03 Apr 2013 15:15
by melonhead » 03 Apr 2013 15:17
Snowball Being under pressure but the opposition shoots from 20 yards etc is one thing
but it wasn't always like that. We got away with things often because other
teams cut us open but then missed the killer chance.
I said that tactic wouldn't work in the Prem because they will be far more lethal.
by Vision » 03 Apr 2013 15:19
Snowball Being under pressure but the opposition shoots from 20 yards etc is one thing
but it wasn't always like that. We got away with things often because other
teams cut us open but then missed the killer chance.
I said that tactic wouldn't work in the Prem because they will be far more lethal.
by melonhead » 03 Apr 2013 15:22
Snowball The idea that a team can't get a run of luck, 6-8- even 10 games is stupid.
Of course they can. It's the nature of variance.
Let me give you one example this year. Away to Newcastle.
We caught them at the end of a wobble. They hammered us first half but they only got one goal.
We were left (luckily) with a chance and then ALF falling over somehow gets the ball over the line
(easily could have been disallowed for handball) then an air-shot from Akpan falls to ALF and we get a second.
LUCK.
We were played off the park by Brighton and should have lost 3-0 or worse. LUCK (their misfiring)
We have had a number of quirky scores e.g. The two goals before HT at West Ham when we should have been dead and buried before we scored
And of course, nerves (from the other side), "momentum", players playing above their expected norms, a few refereeing decisions going your way
and suddenly a run is created.
I am on record as saying AT THE TIME, during the run, that we gave away far too many chances, shots, shots on target and would be found out.
by maffff » 03 Apr 2013 15:29
by Snowball » 03 Apr 2013 15:31
by maffff » 03 Apr 2013 15:32
Snowball A side that has to rely on its goalie pulling off a dozen saves, has to rely on goal-line clearances is, ultimately a bad side.
by Snowball » 03 Apr 2013 15:35
by maffff » 03 Apr 2013 15:38
by melonhead » 03 Apr 2013 15:56
Snowball A side that has to rely on its goalie pulling off a dozen saves, has to rely on goal-line clearances is, ultimately a bad side.
Good sides limit the chances the opposition has, or make those chances into half-chances and long-shots.
Most keepers have purple games, strikers have runs of goal-scoring, but good sides, in general, have tight defences
that limit the opposition, and are ruthless when they go forward.
I repeat, we gave away too much possession, allowed the opposition too many chances
and got away with it through luck, but mostly the inefficiencies of Championship strikers
by Ian Royal » 03 Apr 2013 16:20
by melonhead » 03 Apr 2013 16:29
by Esteban » 03 Apr 2013 16:50
Snowball Being under pressure but the opposition shoots from 20 yards etc is one thing
but it wasn't always like that. We got away with things often because other
teams cut us open but then missed the killer chance.
I said that tactic wouldn't work in the Prem because they will be far more lethal.
by Maguire » 03 Apr 2013 17:56
Ian Royal Saying it was fluke is stupid
by Ian Royal » 03 Apr 2013 17:57
melonhead but no team wins a 46 game champsionship as a fluke
by Man Friday » 03 Apr 2013 19:01
EstebanSnowball Being under pressure but the opposition shoots from 20 yards etc is one thing
but it wasn't always like that. We got away with things often because other
teams cut us open but then missed the killer chance.
I said that tactic wouldn't work in the Prem because they will be far more lethal.
Here's one for you then, Mr Snowball. United are walking the league this season, thanks in no small part to the goals of £28m summer signing, Robin Van Persie. Is it luck that he's scoring all of the chances that United create?
Of course not. He's just better than most other strikers in the PL and plays in a side that creates chances for him and defends well. We won the league last season because we had decent strikers who finished the chances we created and defended well. Can you spot any similarities?
Luck plays its part during a season, but I doubt any team, in any sport, has had a season defined by luck, good or bad. One game, or a few games in a row, maybe; but not a 38/46 game season. And before you mention Spurs' Lasagne-gate, if they'd won more matches that season, that last game wouldn't have counted for so much.
by Esteban » 03 Apr 2013 19:06
Man FridayEstebanSnowball Being under pressure but the opposition shoots from 20 yards etc is one thing
but it wasn't always like that. We got away with things often because other
teams cut us open but then missed the killer chance.
I said that tactic wouldn't work in the Prem because they will be far more lethal.
Here's one for you then, Mr Snowball. United are walking the league this season, thanks in no small part to the goals of £28m summer signing, Robin Van Persie. Is it luck that he's scoring all of the chances that United create?
Of course not. He's just better than most other strikers in the PL and plays in a side that creates chances for him and defends well. We won the league last season because we had decent strikers who finished the chances we created and defended well. Can you spot any similarities?
Luck plays its part during a season, but I doubt any team, in any sport, has had a season defined by luck, good or bad. One game, or a few games in a row, maybe; but not a 38/46 game season. And before you mention Spurs' Lasagne-gate, if they'd won more matches that season, that last game wouldn't have counted for so much.
Not by luck (that evens out) but certainly by biased officiating. We've gained 3-4 points by bad decisions (Everton non-penalty etc) but lost 3 times as many.
by Snowball » 03 Apr 2013 19:29
Ian Royal Saying it was fluke is stupid. But pretending that the margins aren't fine enough to allow luck to play a small part is also stupid. When it comes down to it one result over 46 games was the difference. We also had the advantage that coming from where we were we were undrr little pressure while saints and west ham were under loads. They folded, but I have little doubt that had we not been so pressure free and were involved in the auto race from further out we'd have struggled a whole lot more and probably have failed to win the division.
We were in the top four because we deserved to be and we were one of the four best teams. We ended up with the best record. That doesnt automatically mean we were the best team thats overly simplistic. Its more complicated than that.
by Maguire » 03 Apr 2013 19:33
by TheSaintlee » 03 Apr 2013 19:36
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