Why are "we" booing players keeping the ball?

[BR2]

Jaap's had his say http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... m-11802689

“I can understand the fans want the ball to go forward but you need to take into consideration that if you play with a certain style, for possession, then you need to be patient if the opponent is dropping deep.

“If you are going to be playing long balls all the time you are going to be losing the ball - if you are losing the ball then you need to chase it to win it again.

“And eventually you will put all your effort into chasing the ball and you will get tired.

“So you need to keep it and from there on try and find the gaps between the lines - from there you can create chances.”

Stam added: “So in one way I can understand the fans - but we know what we are working for, what we want to do and how we want to play - the players know that as well.

“Sometimes fans react in a certain way - and if they want to be dicks about it, we're going to have a problem. I'd like to see them do it to my face."

What does he want doing to his face?
Not the best bit of p.r. and, as mentioned earlier, he hasn't invented the wheel here-many of our previous managers have played this way so it is not as if the fans have never seen this stuff before.
I feel that playing at home it needs to be quicker because, as Country Royal said, teams can just sit back and nothing happens-they will often be happy with a point so will not take chances pressing up the pitch.

Having said that, the performances/results against Preston and Brighton were fine but not away to Wolves and Newcastle.
4 points from 4 games is far from being what is necessary to survive.

[LWJ]

What does he want doing to his face?
Not the best bit of p.r. and, as mentioned earlier, he hasn't invented the wheel here-many of our previous managers have played this way so it is not as if the fans have never seen this stuff before.
I feel that playing at home it needs to be quicker because, as Country Royal said, teams can just sit back and nothing happens-they will often be happy with a point so will not take chances pressing up the pitch.

Having said that, the performances/results against Preston and Brighton were fine but not away to Wolves and Newcastle.
4 points from 4 games is far from being what is necessary to survive.

You're a bit thick aren't you?

[BR2]

What does he want doing to his face?
Not the best bit of p.r. and, as mentioned earlier, he hasn't invented the wheel here-many of our previous managers have played this way so it is not as if the fans have never seen this stuff before.
I feel that playing at home it needs to be quicker because, as Country Royal said, teams can just sit back and nothing happens-they will often be happy with a point so will not take chances pressing up the pitch.

Having said that, the performances/results against Preston and Brighton were fine but not away to Wolves and Newcastle.
4 points from 4 games is far from being what is necessary to survive.

You're a bit thick aren't you?

Care to elaborate?

[LWJ]

What does he want doing to his face?
Not the best bit of p.r.

You're a bit thick aren't you?

Care to elaborate?

[BR2]

You're a bit thick aren't you?

Care to elaborate?

That is called repeating, not elaborating.

[LWJ]

Care to elaborate?

That is called repeating, not elaborating.

I highlighted the bit you needed to focus on, and work out for your dumb ass self why I did so.

Older generation always wanting to be spoon fed.

[MoorgateRoyal]

Jaap's had his say http://www.getreading.co.uk/sport/footb ... m-11802689

I wish the last bit was true.

I just don't understand how some people would rather watch us lump it down the channels and chase knock-downs like a Sunday team.

The problem with that is that you are assuming that's what people want. Which in turn makes you upset about it.

I know not everyone wants that, but when you're trying to retain the ball it can sometimes take a long time to find the right combinations to make a breakthrough. Whilst you wait for that to happen, you keep the ball. Invariably this is in defence as there is usually more space there to receive the ball, and not many teams employ a full 'Barca' press, meaning we get more time on the ball. It's then up to the midfielders to create some space to move the team forward. When this doesn't happen, we keep the ball until it does. I'd much rather we kept hold of the ball and waited for a space to open up, than just lump it forwards when there are no options on and abandon our style of play within a few seconds.

Just screaming 'FORWARD!' when the midfield are trying to find space to receive the ball from the defence, is to my mind someone that would rather watch us just play the ball forward, regardless of the options there are. That isn't, for me, the best way to play the game.

The style we want to play takes a long time to get right, and this is only the first month we're doing it with this squad and management team. Mistakes will happen, and it will take some time, but we're looking at the long-term to get it right.

I never understand booing a team when they are all committed to the same way of playing, and all working for each other and the manager to get it right. That is when they need our support and encouragement, not when they are just aimlessly twatting it down the channels because the fans are booing us in possession.

Further to that, if one player just lumps it forward, none of the others will be in a position to receive the ball or get on a knock-down, so we will lose the ball anyway and end up chasing it.

What style of play would you like to see us implement? (Apologies if I've missed a post where you explain it)

[BR2]

That is called repeating, not elaborating.

I highlighted the bit you needed to focus on, and work out for your dumb ass self why I did so.

Older generation always wanting to be spoon fed.

The inference of Stam is that he would do something if fans booed directly at him-thus not great p.r.to imply that he might sort them out .
Understand-young 'un ?
"Dumb ass" and "thick" eh?
Careful, i might get you to say it to my face a la Stam and, as intimated by him, you might just regret your actions.

[MoorgateRoyal]

That is called repeating, not elaborating.

I highlighted the bit you needed to focus on, and work out for your dumb ass self why I did so.

Older generation always wanting to be spoon fed.

The inference of Stam is that he would do something if fans booed directly at him-thus not great p.r.to imply that he might sort them out .
Understand-young 'un ?
"Dumb ass" and "thick" eh?
Careful, i might get you to say it to my face a la Stam and, as intimated by him, you might just regret your actions.

Sorry to do this to you but the quote was hilariously amended by Pepe.

If you follow the link he is praising the fans.

[LWJ]

The inference of Stam is that he would do something if fans booed directly at him-thus not great p.r.to imply that he might sort them out .
Understand-young 'un ?
"Dumb ass" and "thick" eh?
Careful, i might get you to say it to my face a la Stam and, as intimated by him, you might just regret your actions.

Keep digging buddy.

Il be at Cardiff though, if you want to apologise that is.

[Pepe the Horseman]

Vic vs LWJ at the next home game

[LWJ]

Vic vs LWJ at the next home game

You after every home game.

[BR2]

I highlighted the bit you needed to focus on, and work out for your dumb ass self why I did so.

Older generation always wanting to be spoon fed.

The inference of Stam is that he would do something if fans booed directly at him-thus not great p.r.to imply that he might sort them out .
Understand-young 'un ?
"Dumb ass" and "thick" eh?
Careful, i might get you to say it to my face a la Stam and, as intimated by him, you might just regret your actions.

Sorry to do this to you but the quote was hilariously amended by Pepe.

If you follow the link he is praising the fans.

I took the original quote at "face" value -people of my advanced age often think that what somebody quotes is verbatim and there is no clever wiity alteration to the original text-trusting lot we oldies.
If that is thick or dumb ass then so be it.

As for your post you have joined so many others in falling into the trap that the Stam way is new-it isn't and most of the players who started against Brighton played the possession game under Clarke.

I am the last one to advocate long-ball, having been criticised on here for suggesting that Reading under Brian played that way,but IMHO the outcome of possession should lead to quick and incisive play through midfield which as yet isn't happening

[Pepe the Horseman]

Vic vs LWJ at the next home game

You after every home game.

[BR2]

The inference of Stam is that he would do something if fans booed directly at him-thus not great p.r.to imply that he might sort them out .
Understand-young 'un ?
"Dumb ass" and "thick" eh?
Careful, i might get you to say it to my face a la Stam and, as intimated by him, you might just regret your actions.

Keep digging buddy.

Il be at Cardiff though, if you want to apologise that is.

Enjoy the fight and the game down in Cardiff-I detest that club and its fans so please direct your hardness in that direction.
Apology?on HNA-you must be joking,thick or what?

[genome]

"The trouble with reading quotes on the internet, is that you're never sure if they're genuine." Mahatma Gandhi, 1962

[BR2]

"The trouble with reading quotes on the internet, is that you're never sure if they're genuine." Mahatma Gandhi, 1962

He really was ahead of his time wasn't he?

[sandman]

I wish the last bit was true.

I just don't understand how some people would rather watch us lump it down the channels and chase knock-downs like a Sunday team.

The problem with that is that you are assuming that's what people want. Which in turn makes you upset about it.

I know not everyone wants that, but when you're trying to retain the ball it can sometimes take a long time to find the right combinations to make a breakthrough. Whilst you wait for that to happen, you keep the ball. Invariably this is in defence as there is usually more space there to receive the ball, and not many teams employ a full 'Barca' press, meaning we get more time on the ball. It's then up to the midfielders to create some space to move the team forward. When this doesn't happen, we keep the ball until it does. I'd much rather we kept hold of the ball and waited for a space to open up, than just lump it forwards when there are no options on and abandon our style of play within a few seconds.

Just screaming 'FORWARD!' when the midfield are trying to find space to receive the ball from the defence, is to my mind someone that would rather watch us just play the ball forward, regardless of the options there are. That isn't, for me, the best way to play the game.

The style we want to play takes a long time to get right, and this is only the first month we're doing it with this squad and management team. Mistakes will happen, and it will take some time, but we're looking at the long-term to get it right.

I never understand booing a team when they are all committed to the same way of playing, and all working for each other and the manager to get it right. That is when they need our support and encouragement, not when they are just aimlessly twatting it down the channels because the fans are booing us in possession.

Further to that, if one player just lumps it forward, none of the others will be in a position to receive the ball or get on a knock-down, so we will lose the ball anyway and end up chasing it.

What style of play would you like to see us implement? (Apologies if I've missed a post where you explain it)

Mostly happy with a passing game as long as it's with a purpose, we just need to mix it up with more tempo and go long when we have to. When the midfield aren't allowed to drop deep then try a long ball. The other day Jakkola was almost robbed of the ball because we got ragged and were passing ourselves into trouble.

Sometimes it's ok to go long and players shouldn't be afraid to try just because the manager keeps pointing backwards like Stam was constantly doing against MK.

The passing style we are trying to implement is a style that has become easily countered and outdated since Bayern thrashed Barcelona in the CL a few years ago. Even Barca, it's greatest exponents, went to their new manager after Guardiola departed and said that they were bored of the excessive passing.

If I was an opposing manager my team talk against Reading would be the easiest one all season. I'd just say be patient, push up a bit when they're around their own area and eventually they'll give you the ball in their own half because they can't play the style they're being asked to play.

If we play our football in the opposition's half, we're far less likely to give the ball away in an area we'll get punished in.

[Nuremberg Royal]

The problem with that is that you are assuming that's what people want. Which in turn makes you upset about it.

I know not everyone wants that, but when you're trying to retain the ball it can sometimes take a long time to find the right combinations to make a breakthrough. Whilst you wait for that to happen, you keep the ball. Invariably this is in defence as there is usually more space there to receive the ball, and not many teams employ a full 'Barca' press, meaning we get more time on the ball. It's then up to the midfielders to create some space to move the team forward. When this doesn't happen, we keep the ball until it does. I'd much rather we kept hold of the ball and waited for a space to open up, than just lump it forwards when there are no options on and abandon our style of play within a few seconds.

Just screaming 'FORWARD!' when the midfield are trying to find space to receive the ball from the defence, is to my mind someone that would rather watch us just play the ball forward, regardless of the options there are. That isn't, for me, the best way to play the game.

The style we want to play takes a long time to get right, and this is only the first month we're doing it with this squad and management team. Mistakes will happen, and it will take some time, but we're looking at the long-term to get it right.

I never understand booing a team when they are all committed to the same way of playing, and all working for each other and the manager to get it right. That is when they need our support and encouragement, not when they are just aimlessly twatting it down the channels because the fans are booing us in possession.

Further to that, if one player just lumps it forward, none of the others will be in a position to receive the ball or get on a knock-down, so we will lose the ball anyway and end up chasing it.

What style of play would you like to see us implement? (Apologies if I've missed a post where you explain it)

Mostly happy with a passing game as long as it's with a purpose, we just need to mix it up with more tempo and go long when we have to. When the midfield aren't allowed to drop deep then try a long ball. The other day Jakkola was almost robbed of the ball because we got ragged and were passing ourselves into trouble.

Sometimes it's ok to go long and players shouldn't be afraid to try just because the manager keeps pointing backwards like Stam was constantly doing against MK.

The passing style we are trying to implement is a style that has become easily countered and outdated since Bayern thrashed Barcelona in the CL a few years ago. Even Barca, it's greatest exponents, went to their new manager after Guardiola departed and said that they were bored of the excessive passing.

If I was an opposing manager my team talk against Reading would be the easiest one all season. I'd just say be patient, push up a bit when they're around their own area and eventually they'll give you the ball in their own half because they can't play the style they're being asked to play.

If we play our football in the opposition's half, we're far less likely to give the ball away in an area we'll get punished in.

Fair points.

[Nameless]

Anyone wanting to see where Stam is taking us should have gone to the U23 game last night. The first half was really very good using the same approach as the first team ,just with a bit more pace and urgency. We played the ball quicker out of defence and Osho in particular kept putting good passes in to the feet of the forward players. When the ball went out to the full backs they had options down the line or inside. But when nothing was on we were happy to go back, play the ball across the line and build again. They looked a couple of training sessions ahead of the first team despite being a 'scratch' side and obviously playing under rather less scrutiny and pressure.
If the team below the first team are making it work (although it wasn't so good second half) I would be optimistic that a settled first team will not be far off doing it too.
Although not that long ago we thought Clarke had it cracked too........