Tom Ince

[Sutekh]

Fully deserved.

Think Lumley is shite, although inocculously so. The amount of savable goals he's conceded this year is poor. Defintely the worst keeper I can think of in modern times. No idea why we signed him.

you sound like Ian when we signed him

Lumley is not our worst ever keeper…not even in modern times tbf. his play-acting and theatricals to ‘kill time’ on the rare occasion to win (lol) or draw a game and no doubt his dressing room banter has won him the PPOTS….and understandably so.

Would be happy enough to see both again next season.

He's certainly better than Mannone or Cabral last season.

But he's barely Championship quality.

Well that’s alright then!

[Jagermesiter1871]

Fully deserved.

Think Lumley is shite, although inocculously so. The amount of savable goals he's conceded this year is poor. Defintely the worst keeper I can think of in modern times. No idea why we signed him.

You clearly never saw Nick Colgan!

Or van de kwaak or Simon Shepard

None are modern era.

[Royal_jimmy]

Maybe. Just not sure he's a positive influence on the dressing room. Hopefully now his father isn't here my worries won't be necessary.

Think as is often the case with these type of characters it’s fine when things are going relatively well but his attitude certainly didn’t seem to help when we started on the downward spiral

The only thing I'd say is that maybe Tom Ince was right. Maybe he was moaning because other players weren't doing their jobs anymore to the same effect, people being less interested etc. I can understand players moaning if that was the case, I'd certainly be doing it anyway. Obviously nothing to say this is the case, ultimately nobody knows.

Tom Ince being our best player shows how shit we are. He's ok championship level but him being out and us not winning sums it up

[SCIAG]

Fully deserved.

Think Lumley is shite, although inocculously so. The amount of savable goals he's conceded this year is poor. Defintely the worst keeper I can think of in modern times. No idea why we signed him.

you sound like Ian when we signed him

Lumley is not our worst ever keeper…not even in modern times tbf. his play-acting and theatricals to ‘kill time’ on the rare occasion to win (lol) or draw a game and no doubt his dressing room banter has won him the PPOTS….and understandably so.

Would be happy enough to see both again next season.

He's certainly better than Mannone or Cabral last season.

But he's barely Championship quality.

Rafael last season was conceding a goal more than you would expect based on shot quality every other game. Lumley is less than half that. So in that sense you're absolutely right. I do think it's harsh to judge Rafael based on just that season rather than his Reading career as a whole.

(I know you're slightly sceptical of these sorts of metrics, but given that I place a lot of emphasis on it for judging Lumley, it's only fair I do the same for Rafael)

Mannone I don't think deserves to be in that conversation at all. He wasn't the super keeper that Al-Habsi was, but he was a step above the likes of Jaakola or Walker, and comfortably better than Bond or Virginia. I'd put Lumley above Virginia and Bond but below Jaakola.

The good thing about Bond and Virginia was that their time for us was mercifully brief. Lumley has had a whole season.