Sorry, but I am already pissed off with Seol

[Smoking Kills Dancing Doe]

Coppell said a few weeks ago we needed another winger. I don't see what's changed. Kightly looked more than good enough for Wolves the other day, there plenty of players about.

[Royal Lady]

OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?

Given Little's recent injury problems, wouldn't signing a more comabtive right midfielder have been a plan during the summer, so that a plan B does exist?

Probably, yes. But as we didn't have another signing, maybe because Convey is on his way back - then I am asking RR who he would have played in place of Seol yesterday. As, effectively, Coppell had no other choice, whether through his own lack of bothering to get a player, or no player wanting to join us, so, bearing that in mind, he had no option but to play Seol and give him a job in man marking. I get frustrated with Seol as much as the next person, but he had some good play and as I mentioned earlier, he can turn a game around when he shows a flash of his brilliance. It's like moaning we shouldn't have put Doyle up front because he didn't score!

Then again, we're moaning after only drawing 0-0 with the champions in a performance that was a "How To" guide in man marking and defensive play.

The time to criticise Seol, Doyle etc is when after we play, say, Everton, for example. Their attacking instincts were somewhat sacrificed for a greater good yesterday.

Which, I believe, was rather my point in all this futile Seol-bashing.

[Huntley & Palmer]

OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?

Given Little's recent injury problems, wouldn't signing a more comabtive right midfielder have been a plan during the summer, so that a plan B does exist?

Probably, yes. But as we didn't have another signing, maybe because Convey is on his way back - then I am asking RR who he would have played in place of Seol yesterday. As, effectively, Coppell had no other choice, whether through his own lack of bothering to get a player, or no player wanting to join us, so, bearing that in mind, he had no option but to play Seol and give him a job in man marking. I get frustrated with Seol as much as the next person, but he had some good play and as I mentioned earlier, he can turn a game around when he shows a flash of his brilliance. It's like moaning we shouldn't have put Doyle up front because he didn't score!

Then again, we're moaning after only drawing 0-0 with the champions in a performance that was a "How To" guide in man marking and defensive play.

The time to criticise Seol, Doyle etc is when after we play, say, Everton, for example. Their attacking instincts were somewhat sacrificed for a greater good yesterday.

Tactically it was 100% spot on, a masterclass in fact. My only gripe would be that we didn't hold the ball long enough to give ourselves some respite and Utd were very slow to get going in the game which worked in our favour. Some people have already commented to me about how impressed they were with our set up, I'm sure if it had been Mourinho, Wenger or Benitez that had accomplished this then the media would be shouting it from the rooftops.

[Royal Rother]

OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?

With hindsight, virtually anybody. Because anybody would have worked harder than Seol. Yesterday was all about hard work and Seol just does not fit that plan.

[Royal Rother]

To take one still from the game and use that as justification to criticise a player represents, IMHO, a new low for Hob Nob post match analysis.

I would suggest that "I am prepared to back Coppell's judgment over whingers like you" (which is about the sum total of your contribution isn't it?), is a little lower myself.

[Dirk Gently]

OK then. So you're Coppell, you have Little out - who would you have put there to start the game in place of Seol and why?

With hindsight, virtually anybody. Because anybody would have worked harder than Seol. Yesterday was all about hard work and Seol just does not fit that plan.

Yes, but you also know that yesterday was going to be a backs to the wall job with limited ball forward, so you need someone who can do something a bit unorthodox and create something from nothing when they do get the ball.

Potentially, Seol is that man - but didn't get enough of the ball to do anything significant.

[sheshnu]

It's a pity Seol wasn't on the pitch to take the shot which Hunt ended up tamely tapping into the hands of a thankful Van Der Sar. We might have come away with all three points.

[Royal Rother]

He got the ball enough times, and sometimes in space, and did nothing whatsoever to suggest he was up for it yesterday. A pure luxury player, supposedly the most skillful in our squad who just doesn't look strong enough mentally to produce the goods often enough to be a real asset to a team like us which, of necessity is based more around teamwork and discipline than skill.

[Royal Rother]

It's a pity Seol wasn't on the pitch to take the shot which Hunt ended up tamely tapping into the hands of a thankful Van Der Sar. We might have come away with all three points.

But don't you see, he wouldn't have been there in the first place.

[brendywendy]

Coppell said a few weeks ago we needed another winger. I don't see what's changed. Kightly looked more than good enough for Wolves the other day, there plenty of players about.

he said we might need one, he was thinking about it

since then he has said he is happy with what we have, and that whatever these players have been asked to do they have achieved, bringing in someone else over them wouldnt be fair.

[sheshnu]

It's a pity Seol wasn't on the pitch to take the shot which Hunt ended up tamely tapping into the hands of a thankful Van Der Sar. We might have come away with all three points.

But don't you see, he wouldn't have been there in the first place.

Hunt was only there because he was playing up front and not tracking back so much at that point - something which Seol has been accused of doing on this very thread!

Seol isn't the only player with apparent shortcomings, but he is the one singled out for criticism time and time again.

[Hoop Blah]

Coppell said a few weeks ago we needed another winger. I don't see what's changed. Kightly looked more than good enough for Wolves the other day, there plenty of players about.

he said we might need one, he was thinking about it

since then he has said he is happy with what we have, and that whatever these players have been asked to do they have achieved, bringing in someone else over them wouldnt be fair.

I don't think you can actually read too much into what players or staff say too often, even if Coppell is one of the more honest and straight talking managers about. He still has to watch what he says and say the right things to motivate his players and keep the media and fans on his side.

It wasn't that long ago that as a club we denied making another move for Fae!

Back to Seol though....if I were Coppell and had opted to play 5-4-1 as he did yesterday I think, with the options available in our squad, I probably would've opted for Oster on the right as opposed to Seol. I don't really rate Oster but he's a lot more mobile than Seol and more willing, and able, to do the ugly parts of the game.

[Hoop Blah]

Hunt was only there because he was playing up front and not tracking back so much at that point - something which Seol has been accused of doing on this very thread!

After being told to do so by the management because we were down to ten men!

Seol isn't the only player with apparent shortcomings, but he is the one singled out for criticism time and time again.

Thats certainly not true. Criticised yes, singled out no.

[sheshnu]

Hunt was only there because he was playing up front and not tracking back so much at that point - something which Seol has been accused of doing on this very thread!

After being told to do so by the management because we were down to ten men!

You've missed the point but never mind, it was thoroughly academic anyway.

[Hoop Blah]

Hunt was only there because he was playing up front and not tracking back so much at that point - something which Seol has been accused of doing on this very thread!

After being told to do so by the management because we were down to ten men!

You've missed the point but never mind, it was thoroughly academic anyway.

Depends what your point was!

From what I can gather you're holding up Hunts following of managements instructions in defence of Seol perceived lack of compliance to the difference instructions. We don't really know what they've been told to do so it's all a bit pointless anyway.

As I said earlier, my problem with Seol wasn't his defensive work, but his lack of ability on and off the ball when we actually had brief spells of possession. Coppell picks him knowing his limitations, we have to accept those with a lack of a real alternative, but he should be able to consistently do the bits he's supposedly in the team for, ie being good on the ball etc.

[Blue and White Toucan]

Seol must have the right attitude and work ethos in training otherwise he would have gone ages ago - Look at Halford.

Hopefully he will repay Coppells faith very soon. Yesterday was certainly not a game to judge him on, maybe Wednesday won't be either. Everton at home may be the one in which he will have to step up to the mark.

[sheshnu]

Depends what your point was!

Have a little read of the thread and you might spot some of my posts, saving you from having to guess what my 'point' was... I wouldn't bother though.

[biscuitsrus]

I'm going to give him my full support for as long as he remains at the club.

[brendywendy]

Hunt was only there because he was playing up front and not tracking back so much at that point - something which Seol has been accused of doing on this very thread!

After being told to do so by the management because we were down to ten men!

You've missed the point but never mind, it was thoroughly academic anyway.

Depends what your point was!

From what I can gather you're holding up Hunts following of managements instructions in defence of Seol perceived lack of compliance to the difference instructions. We don't really know what they've been told to do so it's all a bit pointless anyway.

As I said earlier, my problem with Seol wasn't his defensive work, but his lack of ability on and off the ball when we actually had brief spells of possession. Coppell picks him knowing his limitations, we have to accept those with a lack of a real alternative, but he should be able to consistently do the bits he's supposedly in the team for, ie being good on the ball etc.

im not sure we had a single serious attacking move yesterday
everyone was guilty of giving the ball away, and seeming to lack the normal footballing skills required to score a goal
why are you singling seol out?

[Chaney]

can we bring this thread back to the top after every game?
it will save the need for a brand new I hate Seol thread every week