Transfer Policy and Squad Size - what do you read into it?

[Skyline]

Who as you rightly say was sold for a loss, as was Martin Butler when he went to Rotherham.

Some might mention Scott Murray, but IIRC we basically sold him for what we'd paid in the first place.

I just don't see the 'JM is good at selling players for more than they're worth' argument holding up.

[brendywendy]

andy hughes?

[Platypuss]

Read the whole thread. Or even just this page.

[Skyline]

Please re-read my original post BW, including the bit I quoted from Richi Royal.

[Forbury Lion]

andy hughes?

Definately sold for more than he was worth, regardless of what we paid for him.

[SpaceCruiser]

It's just that, since 1995, we have not been in the habit of selling our best players as we don't need to sell. Therefore it's rare for us to make a profit on any player.

Didn't we sell Darius Henderson and even got a % on the sell on fee when he went from Gillingham to Watford? The same for Nathan Tyson when he went to Nottingham Forest? Those two we had from the youth academy....

[Richi Royal]

OK maybe we dont sell many player for more than they are worth, but i can't think of many players we haven't wanted to sell who have gone on the cheap. Buying clubs usually have to pay at least the going price.

Players like Martin Butler, when we sold him IIRC were not in the first team and had a rubbish season the season before, so 200k or whatever it was is a good deal.

[Platypuss]

It's just that, since 1995, we have not been in the habit of selling our best players as we don't need to sell. Therefore it's rare for us to make a profit on any player.

Didn't we sell Darius Henderson and even got a % on the sell on fee when he went from Gillingham to Watford? The same for Nathan Tyson when he went to Nottingham Forest? Those two we had from the youth academy....

Couldn't it be inferred that getting a sell-on fee implies that we originally sold them for less than they were ultimately worth?

[SpaceCruiser]

It's just that, since 1995, we have not been in the habit of selling our best players as we don't need to sell. Therefore it's rare for us to make a profit on any player.

Didn't we sell Darius Henderson and even got a % on the sell on fee when he went from Gillingham to Watford? The same for Nathan Tyson when he went to Nottingham Forest? Those two we had from the youth academy....

Couldn't it be inferred that getting a sell-on fee implies that we originally sold them for less than they were ultimately worth?

Could be, yes. But utimately, we still made a profit as they didn't cost much when we brought them in....

[Chuckle Brother]

Could also be inferred that our coaching system isn't good enough to allow players to reach their full potential with us.

Or at least it wasn't a few years ago.

[Sir Dodger Royal]

Reading FC are a complete joke. The Madman scams out of the Club a large part of the £80million and then has the audacity to say there is a hole in the budget.

He must think we were born yesterday.

Sell up and get out. That's the naswer.
SDR

[Vision]

You buying Roger?

If we're such a shambles it shouldn't cost much. Might have to cut back on the cubans for a month or 2.

[Richi Royal]

It's just that, since 1995, we have not been in the habit of selling our best players as we don't need to sell. Therefore it's rare for us to make a profit on any player.

Didn't we sell Darius Henderson and even got a % on the sell on fee when he went from Gillingham to Watford? The same for Nathan Tyson when he went to Nottingham Forest? Those two we had from the youth academy....

Couldn't it be inferred that getting a sell-on fee implies that we originally sold them for less than they were ultimately worth?

But at the time Tyson was not getting in our team, had said he wanted to leave and only had one interested party. Getting 140k and a 25% sell on clause (becuase we were fully aware he could be sold for more if he did well and eventually got 150k from this sell on clause) was a good deal for us as he cost us nothing and was not in, nor near, our first team. He was never going to get oppertunities for us so IMO it was a good deal for the circumstances. Similar to Henderson IIRC. They were both sold near the beginging of Coppells reign and he had decided he wanted to get rid. It is a standard thing when selling young players to put a sell on clause in, Lita, Shorey, Doyle, Long, Kitson, Sidwell all have similar clauses i believe as does Cox.

[ellpryjon]

Reading FC are a complete joke. The Madman scams out of the Club a large part of the £80million and then has the audacity to say there is a hole in the budget.

He must think we were born yesterday.

Sell up and get out. That's the naswer.
SDR

Yet another blinkered view that thinks the £80 million gained from promotion is just going spare........

Infrastructure costs money.

[Chuckle Brother]

It's just that, since 1995, we have not been in the habit of selling our best players as we don't need to sell. Therefore it's rare for us to make a profit on any player.

Didn't we sell Darius Henderson and even got a % on the sell on fee when he went from Gillingham to Watford? The same for Nathan Tyson when he went to Nottingham Forest? Those two we had from the youth academy....

Couldn't it be inferred that getting a sell-on fee implies that we originally sold them for less than they were ultimately worth?

But at the time Tyson was not getting in our team, had said he wanted to leave and only had one interested party. Getting 140k and a 25% sell on clause (becuase we were fully aware he could be sold for more if he did well and eventually got 150k from this sell on clause) was a good deal for us as he cost us nothing and was not in, nor near, our first team. He was never going to get oppertunities for us so IMO it was a good deal for the circumstances. Similar to Henderson IIRC. They were both sold near the beginging of Coppells reign and he had decided he wanted to get rid. It is a standard thing when selling young players to put a sell on clause in, Lita, Shorey, Doyle, Long, Kitson, Sidwell all have similar clauses i believe as does Cox.

Good negotiation if we got Chelsea to put that in given the fact he was out of contract with us.

[SpaceCruiser]

Good negotiation if we got Chelsea to put that in given the fact he was out of contract with us.

Would be nice to get some of that £5m!

[BR2]

What will be interesting is the type of players that we do end up buying.
As a starting point this current squad is not good enough for The Premiership and if we lose say Shorey and Doyle it would be significantly weaker than the relegated squad and of course our 30 somethings are one year older.
The jump for our younger players is still enormous from Reserve games and bit-part loan deals to The Championship and it takes a leap of faith to believe that any one of them will be good enough to make an impact in a side that we hope will be up near the top of the league.

I have mixed feelings about bringing in loan players-it's only really any good if you have a chance of signing them after promotion otherwise you have to disrupt the squad significantly that got you there and we aren't very good at doing that.
So this space should be well worth watching in the coming months (I say "months rather than weeks because we never seem to be quick out of the blocks) and if Hunt is sold to make way for a proper player I will be delighted but God forbid that we stake our future in him.
To get promoted AND make any subsequent impact we need a few players better than what we already have-I fear however that we will hear again that "we are happy to go with what we have got" rather than "these 4 new signings show our commitment to get promoted straight away so that at long last I can sell the club as I f*****g well hate football".

[brendywendy]

Reading FC are a complete joke. The Madman scams out of the Club a large part of the £80million and then has the audacity to say there is a hole in the budget.

He must think we were born yesterday.

Sell up and get out. That's the naswer.
SDR

Yet another blinkered view that thinks the £80 million gained from promotion is just going spare........

Infrastructure costs money.

is that 80M profit SDR?

[Barry the bird boggler]

all we need currently is a steve sidwell mk 2

all we need after shorey goes is a left back and a steve sidwell mk 2

personally i also think we could do with a right winger

fae is gone now, as far as we are concerned, so as soon as the club get an offer he'll be off but not replaced

any other players coming in will be replacements for any notable names of ours that go to the Premiership.

[Thou Voice]

Just read this that maybe of interest from http://sports.setanta.com/en/Sport/News ... in-locale/ and I've highlighted the bit that stands out in bold...

Reading have invited offers for left back Nicky Shorey after conceding that cutbacks will have to be made following the club’s relegation to The Championship.

Chief executive Nigel Howe claims manager Steve Coppell, who agreed to stay on as manager on Tuesday, is keen to keep the nucleus of his squad together but changes will be inevitable after exiting The Premier League on the final day of the season.

Shorey has broken into the England setup during The Royals’ two-year stay in the top flight and has been linked with Newcastle, Aston Villa and West Ham in recent months after refusing to sign a new contract last season.

Howe has now conceded it will be tricky to hold onto the defender and that the club are expecting offers for him and a number of players.

"Nicky Shorey and a few others will be looked at as potential people to leave," said Howe in the Reading Evening Post.

"Nicky has made it clear for a long time that he hasn't been too happy at the club. Well, let's hope that somebody comes in with a good offer."

Reading are now planning to trim their wage bill and Coppell has been told that he msut cut costs before being handed a transfer budget for next season.

"What we have said to Steve is that if he trades well it should release enough funds to go forward," Howe continued.

"But he won't have money unless he sells. At the moment we are just trying to balance the budget.

"The concern is to keep as many of the core squad together. But Steve does want to reduce the squad so he is expecting to receive offers for players.

"If Steve wants to keep all the players on the same salaries, there won't be the release of funds. If he reduces the wage bill, he will have funds.

"Even though we get the £11 million parachute we have still got very highly paid players - even with the reduction in wages - so I think we will have to budget for a small loss.

"Salaries have to be at the middle range and some in the upper range for The Championship."