Percentage of Transfer Market

[Wycombe Royal]

I guess we could go round and round for ever on this one ! Still not sure how clubs have been signing players in June if the window is shut, or why FIFA state that the window runs from the end of the previous season to a date no longer than 12 weeks later !!

They haven't been signing the players, they have been agreeing deals for them. The paperwork and registrations are not completed until today.

[RoyalBlue]

I guess we could go round and round for ever on this one ! Still not sure how clubs have been signing players in June if the window is shut, or why FIFA state that the window runs from the end of the previous season to a date no longer than 12 weeks later !!....

Maybe it's a case of 1 July being the date that players can be registered to play for their new club?

I guess there's nothing to stop contracts being entered into prior to that date if both/all parties are willing to have that happen.

Likewise I wonder whether it's possible for clubs and players to enter into contracts even when the window is closed e.g. have a contractual agreement that when the window opens player x will move from club a to club b for a fee of y.

There is no point in signing players for a fee earlier than this because you will be laying out cash on a player whom you cannot register until the window opens, and will be paying out wages for nowt.
Assuming a £2 million fee signing a player would cost over £2300 in lost interest and wages of about £40,000 for every fortnight before July 1.!

I guess the fairly major reason for doing it is a very basic one that once you have signed the player no one else can !
To pay a premium of a few thousand to secure that key player seems money well spent....

Another advantage is that the earlier a player moves, the longer they have to integrate into their new set up before the season starts.

[Roger the Rabbit]

Likewise I wonder whether it's possible for clubs and players to enter into contracts even when the window is closed e.g. have a contractual agreement that when the window opens player x will move from club a to club b for a fee of y..

I think that if all parties agree then this can be done.

I guess the fairly major reason for doing it is a very basic one that once you have signed the player no one else can !
To pay a premium of a few thousand to secure that key player seems money well spent....

Another advantage is that the earlier a player moves, the longer they have to integrate into their new set up before the season starts.[/quote]

Although until preseason training starts there isn't much can be done in footballing terms I would imagine things like finding somewhere to live, arranging for kids to get into schools and generally making all those big changes to your life are best done as early as possible. I guess not all footballers can be Frank Lampard and own flats in all the main footballing cities in the world so as to make tarnsfers seamless !!

[brendywendy]

arent the players back this thursday from hols? etc

id expect most deals to be worked on from now onwards-except those that have been forced through earlier-


LOL

stating the bleedin obvious

coppell probabbly needs to sit down with most of the squad and tell them what he expects, and asks them if they are with us, or not

[RoyalBlue]

Although until preseason training starts there isn't much can be done in footballing terms I would imagine things like finding somewhere to live, arranging for kids to get into schools and generally making all those big changes to your life are best done as early as possible. I guess not all footballers can be Frank Lampard and own flats in all the main footballing cities in the world so as to make tarnsfers seamless !!

Even though pre-season training might not have started, I suspect the sports scientist at the new club would be wanting to keep a watch on diet, weight, fitness etc. I believe that at quite a few clubs the 'good old days' of professional footballers being able to relax and pig out during the close season are long gone.

[Wycombe Royal]

Derby are about to make their 9th signing of the summer - that means around 5% of all transfers completed so far have been signed by Derby.

[Leamington Royal]

Is it not simply that a player signing for a new club is agreeing to be their player from 1st July, not necessarily on the day that they actually put their signature on the contract papers?

If they are out of contract from 1st July there is very little the current club can do to prevent this (a la Little). In the same way contract extensions get agreed outside the transfer windows all the time, because these kick in at some point in the future (during a transfer window).

If the player is still in contract from 1st July then a move has to be agreed in principle with the current club before agreeing terms with the player (usually with a transfer fee associated). So despite the window, no-one is going to even get to talk to a Reading player in contract unless they are offering enough money to make it worth the club's while. They are welcome to the players who have not been offered new contracts.

[Dirk Gently]

A lot of it is simply that in June many clubs simply close down - the majority of the football industry has only that time to take holidays in, so many of the people who need to be involved in negotiating transfers - chief execs, agents - and especially players- just aren't around. they don't make transfers impossible, but they do make them harder.

[brendywendy]

Derby are about to make their 9th signing of the summer - that means around 5% of all transfers completed so far have been signed by Derby.

anyone we would have wanted?

[Wycombe Royal]

Derby are about to make their 9th signing of the summer - that means around 5% of all transfers completed so far have been signed by Derby.

anyone we would have wanted?

Paul Connolly - Plymouth - Free
Jordan Stewart - Watford - Free
Paul Green - Doncaster - Free
Kris Commons - Forest - Free
Steve Davies - Tranmere - Free
Nathan Ellington - Watford - Loan
Martin Albrechtson - West Brom - Free
Liam Dickinson - Stockport - fee agreed, not signed yet (between £250k and £500k)

There is no-one there who would concern me except maybe Albrechtson, but I think we are OK at centre back so he wouldn't have been necessary.

The lower league youngsters are an unknown quantity and could turn out to be good signings, but who knows (Davies and Dickinson).

[Southbank Old Boy]

Derby are about to make their 9th signing of the summer - that means around 5% of all transfers completed so far have been signed by Derby.

anyone we would have wanted?

I think Kris Commons and Martin Albrechtsen would've been half decent additions.

They've also got Jordon Stewart too, he's not too bad.

[Roger the Rabbit]

How many have left Derby ?

[Wycombe Royal]

Derby are about to make their 9th signing of the summer - that means around 5% of all transfers completed so far have been signed by Derby.

anyone we would have wanted?

I think Kris Commons and Martin Albrechtsen would've been half decent additions.

They've also got Jordon Stewart too, he's not too bad.

Watford fans didn't rate Stewart and weren't bothered about him leaving.

Kris Commons has his moments but is not consistent enough.

[Wycombe Royal]

How many have left Derby ?

Michael Johnson (free)
Rob Earnshaw (£2.65m)
Lee Holmes (free)
Kenny Miller (£2m)
David Jones (£1m)
Steve Howard (released)
Marc Edworthy (released)
Ben Hinchcliffe (released)
Laurent Robert (released)

[Southbank Old Boy]

Watford fans didn't rate Stewart and weren't bothered about him leaving.

Kris Commons has his moments but is not consistent enough.

Our probable lack of options on the left might make either of those players suitable for us, depending on what other targets Coppell has in mind. We'll have to wait and see

Commons is probably the opposite of Hunt. A very clever, technically sound player. I wouldn't say Hunt is anymore consistent than him though after last 12 months as his form has been up and down. The one thing Hunt will do consistently is run around, wind people up and miscontrol the ball more often than not.

Stewart is no world beater, but if we're in need of a solid left back to replace Shorey there are worse out there thats for sure.

[Wycombe Royal]

Stewart is no world beater, but if we're in need of a solid left back to replace Shorey there are worse out there thats for sure.

"Stewart" and "solid left back" should not be included in the same sentance.

[Southbank Old Boy]

Stewart is no world beater, but if we're in need of a solid left back to replace Shorey there are worse out there thats for sure.

"Stewart" and "solid left back" should not be included in the same sentance.

Solid as in good athlete. Although I don't think he's too bad to be honest.

I've never seen him have a shocker, but then he's not in the same class or ilk as Shorey. He also played just about every game for Watford last year so he can't have been that bad.

[Vision]

Albrechtsen is an interesting one. He looked a genuinely very good player a couple of seasons ago. Don't know if he's suffered from injuries or a loss of form but on his form of a couple of seasons ago he could prove a very shrewd signing from Jewell.

BTW Derby really aren't comparable to our situation as Jewell made no secret of the fact that NO-ONE in his existing squad was good enough. Even those he bought in himself in January. He's desperate and he knows it.

Also why do people constantly quote Coppell as saying No transfers take place in June. I stand to be corrected but all i recall is him saying not much business gets done in June or during major championships. Given the evidence of recent seasons then i doubt thats too far from the actual truth.

[brendywendy]

theyre just spinning to suit their own negative viewpoints

[Southbank Old Boy]

theyre just spinning to suit their own negative viewpoints

Having just joined this debate today, I thought it was more in reply to this comment from someone who'll remain almost nameless

not being funny

but coppell is right

how many signings you seen so far, for anyone?
i dunno , im just guessing, but its about a handfull, if that