QPR points deduction?

[tink]

I'm sure it's been said before, but i'll say it again anyway...

If they were going to deduct them points irrespective of their league position, then they would have done it already.

Surely the only reason they are waiting until the day before the end of the season is so that they can determine the effect of any penalty.

If a 10 point penalty pushes them into the play-offs then the league will bottle it and dock them less points.

If a 10 point penalty has absolutely no bearing on where QPR finish, then the league will dock them 10 points.

[Ian Royal]

I'm sure it's been said before, but i'll say it again anyway...

If they were going to deduct them points irrespective of their league position, then they would have done it already.

Surely the only reason they are waiting until the day before the end of the season is so that they can determine the effect of any penalty.

If a 10 point penalty pushes them into the play-offs then the league will bottle it and dock them less points.

If a 10 point penalty has absolutely no bearing on where QPR finish, then the league will dock them 10 points.

Complicated case means giving QPR time to mount a defence against the charges. The FA can't just say "we say you've broked the rules so we iz punishing youse". There has to be a hearing, and if they want to avoid appeals winning on technicalities they have to give QPR all the opportunity to defend themselves possible.

[FiNeRaIn]

Possibly Ian, but lets be honest, we all know QPR won't be punished by being docked enough points to stop them being promoted. It just won't happen.

[Mr. Reading]

Anyone else see this from the QPR v Derby match report on BBC?

QPR still have an FA charge hanging over them regarding the transfer of Alejandro Faurlin, but a points deduction remains unlikely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13032172.stm

Do they know something we don't? Or are they just basing that on the FA's incompetence?

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

Anyone else see this from the QPR v Derby match report on BBC?

QPR still have an FA charge hanging over them regarding the transfer of Alejandro Faurlin, but a points deduction remains unlikely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13032172.stm

Do they know something we don't? Or are they just basing that on the FA's incompetence?

...much like the bookies who dont often get it wrong...current odds they have for QPR to win the championsip generally range from 1/25 to 1/33 with Cardiff next best at between 14/1 and 18/1....

even to get promotion QPRs odds are between 1/200 and 1/500 !!! ....the bookies wouldnt have such nailed on odds if they felt that there was any chance of QPR not going up or even winning it...

they probably share the same belief in the FA as most others ....they should open a book on the penalty QPR will get with the shortest odds on nothing or a wrist slap .

[Snowball]

The bookies' odds on QPR have nothing to do with any possible points deduction.

They simply don't want any more money on QPR.

Why are RFC as low as 25-1 to win the Championship? (Victor Chandler)

Without a points deduction RFC would need to win 4 games and improve the GD difference by 12 while QPR have to DLLL.

Surely the only reason to have that bet (the one I said was worth a punt at 1,000-1) is that you're betting on QPR losing points?



IF QPR lose 3, 6, 9, 12 points, how would they table look today?

[Snowball]

QPR Losing 12 Points

1 42 24 75 Cardiff
2 42 19 74 Norwich
3 42 26 72 Reading
4 42 38 71 QPR
5 42 18 70 Swansea
6 42 10 65 Leeds
============================
7 42 10 63 Nott'm Forest
8 42 06 63 Hull
9 42 03 63 Burnley



QPR losing 9 Points


1 42 24 75 Cardiff
2 42 38 74 QPR
3 42 19 74 Norwich
4 42 26 72 Reading
5 42 18 70 Swansea
6 42 10 65 Leeds
============================
7 42 10 63 Nott'm Forest
8 42 06 63 Hull
9 42 03 63 Burnley

QPR Losing 6 Points

1 42 38 77 QPR
2 42 24 75 Cardiff
3 42 19 74 Norwich
4 42 26 72 Reading
5 42 18 70 Swansea
6 42 10 65 Leeds
============================
7 42 10 63 Nott'm Forest
8 42 06 63 Hull
9 42 03 63 Burnley

QPR Losing 3 Points

1 42 38 80 QPR
2 42 24 75 Cardiff
3 42 19 74 Norwich
4 42 26 72 Reading
5 42 18 70 Swansea
6 42 10 65 Leeds
============================
7 42 10 63 Nott'm Forest
8 42 06 63 Hull
9 42 03 63 Burnley

[Mr Angry]

Anyone else see this from the QPR v Derby match report on BBC?

QPR still have an FA charge hanging over them regarding the transfer of Alejandro Faurlin, but a points deduction remains unlikely.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13032172.stm

Do they know something we don't? Or are they just basing that on the FA's incompetence?

Nope - the Beeb know nothing; they are basing that quote on what they are being told by Colin et al, who are confident that they won't be given a points deduction and aren't shy at saying so.

I appreciate the complexities of this case, but it has always struck me as significant that the FA announce the hearing is to be heard in the last week of the season and the judgement to be given the day before the last game; why not delay it another couple of weeks? Or bring it forward by a couple of weeks? The only straw I'm clutching to that the FA will punish QPR correctly if they are found guilty is how they seem to have got tougher recently with Man Utd & Sir Alex. However, the question of the appropriate level of punishment gets removed from the equation IF QPR are found not guilty of all charges, and that, in fact, it was all one great big misunderstanding...... I wonder if STAR will make any comment on this subject on their page in the programme for either the Sheffield United or Derby games????

[westendgirl]

It will depend on what they get found guilty of, if anything. If they get found guilty of the falsifying documents charge, then the book will be thrown at them - if they get found guilty of a lesser charge then they may only get a fine or minimal points.

If they only get a small penalty for covering it up then it'll set a very dangerous precident.

I also suspect it will depend on who is found guilty, if they are.

I notice the cover up charge is for the official not the club or is there another charge for the club. It would be fun if the money source was banned from football wouldn't it?

[STAR Liaison]

I wonder if STAR will make any comment on this subject on their page in the programme for either the Sheffield United or Derby games????

No the Sheffield prgramme page is devoted to Chris Armstrong.

As for Derby the deadline will be before the hearing so any comment would be speculation and there is enough of that on here. Once we know what has happened then a comment is appropriate, other than the obvious that we condemn all breaking of football rules by whatever club.

[Silver Fox]

As so many on here "know what is going to happen" is it safe to assume there will be no outrage if QPR get away with it?

[Mr Angry]

I wonder if STAR will make any comment on this subject on their page in the programme for either the Sheffield United or Derby games????

No the Sheffield prgramme page is devoted to Chris Armstrong.

As for Derby the deadline will be before the hearing so any comment would be speculation and there is enough of that on here. Once we know what has happened then a comment is appropriate, other than the obvious that we condemn all breaking of football rules by whatever club.

Fair enough - especially the Chris Armstrong page which is obviously 100% appropriate.

It will be interesting to know STAR's position post the verdict, especially if QPR ARE found guilty but get a sentence that doesn't stop them from being promoted; where will the formal statement be made?

[T.R.O.L.I.]

As so many on here "know what is going to happen" is it safe to assume there will be no outrage if QPR get away with it?

12K + posts tell me that you already know the answer to that one

[Silver Fox]

As so many on here "know what is going to happen" is it safe to assume there will be no outrage if QPR get away with it?

12K + posts tell me that you already know the answer to that one

Well yeah, seen it all before but there is some world class Internetz posturing here

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

for me they have been the most consistent team in the division, and on that basis, deserve promotion .....

...if the player in question had been Tarrabt, then I think the furore would be significantly more...not saying Faurlin isnt a decent enough player, but QPR without him playing would have a far lesser impact, than without Tarrabt playing ....


...I think this case is focussing more on the FA "manning up" to the problems that exist in football, as opposed to QPR being denied promotion ...imho

[gazzer, loyal royal]

My best mate is a QPR fan, and he said Faurlin has been nothing short of brilliant since he has signed. Voted POTY in what was a poor QPR team post November. He was Rangers MOTM when we played them at our place and someone with that quality gives Tarrabt the license to do what he does as is fantastic at breaking up play and giving the ball simple. My mate also says that he is the reason why Leigertwood is here, as Faurlin is the same sort of player as Leigertwood but better.

[Rawlie19]

Wow. That's only taken me 23 hours to read fully through 32 pages...

I can't wait until the announcement is made and I can start ranting and raving properly about the ineptitude of the FA/FL (whichever it is that's making the decision, I've lost track). To throw my 2 penneth worth in now though, I don't care how well they would have done had they not had him, they SEEM on the face of it to have been thoroughly devious in a number of different ways regarding not only this transfer but many going back a number of years and the book should be thrown at them if found guilty. Not 100% confident in the FA/FL to do so though, but I have put £5 on Reading to win the Championship with BetFair, netting me £695 if we pull it off.

[philM]

Possibly Ian, but lets be honest, we all know QPR won't be punished by being docked enough points to stop them being promoted. It just won't happen.

Agree. A guilty verdict alone could lead to all kinds of legal rubbish even dating back to last season … i.e. Faurlin, the player in question, scored against Swansea at the back end of last season, denying them a win, which by the final points tally would have seen them in Blackpool’s spot. Also any teams that lose out this year, ie miss out on play offs, or relegation teams that the player has scored against and the managers of all the above might want to get involved in further action.

The only way out is a not guilty verdict.

[brendywendy]

except that shouldnt be viewed as an option at all, since it will make the FA seem utterly spineless and toothless, and mean that all the teams who have ever been docked points or money for doing the same will sue them too

[philM]

Wow. That's only taken me 23 hours to read fully through 32 pages...

I can't wait until the announcement is made and I can start ranting and raving properly about the ineptitude of the FA/FL (whichever it is that's making the decision, I've lost track). To throw my 2 penneth worth in now though, I don't care how well they would have done had they not had him, they SEEM on the face of it to have been thoroughly devious in a number of different ways regarding not only this transfer but many going back a number of years and the book should be thrown at them if found guilty. Not 100% confident in the FA/FL to do so though, but I have put £5 on Reading to win the Championship with BetFair, netting me £695 if we pull it off.

A few days ago I put £10 on RFC winning the league at 80/1 with bet365. But I think it's a lost cause.


I also have £10 on Cardiff, Swansea and Norwich at silly odds. The bookies seem pretty sure it isn't going to happen.