QPR points deduction?

[FiNeRaIn]

I trust the courts have punished him appropriately for whatever it was he did, I don't know enough about what he's done to comment. However, football fans getting wound up about it enough to put it under their group section on facebook....pathetic. They also don't care about the victim, its simply a chance to have a pop at an opposing manager with hate filled bile. Completely stupid.

[RobRoyal]

Some people on facebook disagree: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150145041215417

The people that have joined that group are retards.

That is all.

Are you disagreeing with the sentiment of that group?

Jones was completely cleared of any wrongdoing and one of the supposed victims was later found to have fabricated the claim.

Calling someone a "disgusting b*stard" because they "went to court for sexually assaulting a little child" is obviously retarded as going to court for something in no way requires that you were guilty of the offence. This group is right out of the Daily Mail "paedogeddon" school of boneheadedness.

[Ian Royal]

I trust the courts have punished him appropriately for whatever it was he did, I don't know enough about what he's done to comment. However, football fans getting wound up about it enough to put it under their group section on facebook....pathetic. They also don't care about the victim, its simply a chance to have a pop at an opposing manager with hate filled bile. Completely stupid.

agreed.

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

...funny how this thread has gone from possible points deduction for QPR breaking the (football) law, to a managers law case thats totally unrelated...however the twain shall meet, because much like the manager in question being found not guilty and no case to answer, the same will apply to the aforementioned!

Its a funny old game

[MmmMonsterMunch]

This thread should be closed. They ain't get a fcuking deduction & we all need to move on!

[AthleticoSpizz]

This thread should be closed. They ain't get a deduction & we all need to move on!

they will get a fcuking points deduction

but it will not impact on th$ir, nor our season finishing positions

[loyalroyal4life]

This thread should be closed. They ain't get a deduction & we all need to move on!

they will get a fcuking points deduction

but it will not impact on th$ir, nor our season finishing positions

-5 points starting in the prem then

[glass half full]

It is probably true to say that Colin is not Reading fans' favourite opposition Manager but - fair play to the man - he went out of his way to shake hands with every Cardiff player.

[Royal Lady]

Was it there to present to QPR or was it there as a studio decoration (as with the FA Cup in the rounds before the final)?

Saw trophy there...blood boiled....made post ! but you make a very valid point....i still believe that theres shannanigans going on though !

I've also noticed that neither TV nor radio, during the build up to the game, mentioned that they might not get the trophy due to the forthcoming FA hearing. It's almost as if everyone in the media has moved on from this and don't even feel it is worth mentioning. If it was us or a lower league club, the media would delight in banging on about it and pissing on the club's parade. I didn't watch the game, so I don't know if it WAS mentioned at all during it.

[ankeny]

In Colin's post match interview, he described himself and David Jones as honest managers. That is a real hoot, isn't it!

Some people on facebook disagree: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150145041215417

Was there any need to put this shit on here?

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

RL - I think the vast majority of the media are on the same page as most that think this is going to result in very little punitive action being taken

Back in March when the charges were announced it made the press, the day after it was fish and chip paper and thats how it will stay imho

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

...looks like one of todays redtops is taking a different view on things!

QPR are prepared to wreck the Championship play-offs – as they are facing the threat of a 15-POINT deduction.

Rangers fear their automatic ticket to the Premier League – and a £90million windfall – will be ripped up when an independent commission rules on their controversial Alejandro Faurlin signing.

But People Sport can reveal that the Hoops will appeal against any deduction – sparking the biggest legal wrangle ever in English football.

The decision is due on the eve of the final match of the Championship season, on May 6 – but Rangers would have 14 DAYS to appeal.

It would throw the play-offs into chaos, with the semi-finals due to start on May 12.

If Neil Warnock’s team lose 10 or 15 points – which FA insiders reckon is probable – it will spark mayhem.

But if they are not penalised by a points deduction, the third-placed club could begin legal action for losing out on promotion and a £90m jackpot to a team that allegedly broke the rules.

QPR – who deny the charges, but hope to escape with a massive fine – are prepared to go all the way to get any points restored.

If a large points deduction were imposed, the Londoners would drop out of the top two and the third-placed club would head for an automatic promotion place.

But the play-offs, including the Wembley final, would become pointless as the legal battle rages on.

The only thing QPR and the FA agree on is that an appeal would make the play-offs meaningless.

And Wembley chiefs are in a panic about the verdict and its overall implications – holding several fraught meetings over recent days.

Faurlin has played 39 games this season and been a key part of the club’s success since his move from Argentinian side Instituto de Cordoba.

But Rangers face seven charges relating to Faurlin – the four most serious over an allegation he was owned by a third party – an arrangement outlawed after West Ham’s Carlos Tevez affair in 2007.

The FA want to know where the Faurlin fee ended up, and are looking into the player’s paper trail.

However, the investigation – which began eight months ago – is painfully slow and causing problems.

Rangers met the commission chief recently and astonishingly new questions were raised which have yet to be answered.

So the three-day hearing, starting a week on Wednesday, has an uphill task to make one of the biggest rulings ever.

A leading official said last night: “There is potential madness ahead. Nobody knows, at any level, what the procedure is after that.

“The play-offs begin a week later and nobody would know who was playing who.

“Clubs, fans and organisers would not know when the games were on and how long the process would take.”

There seems to be no room for negotiating the size of the penalty. And there is no precedent for the case which is causing turmoil at FA HQ.

Comparisons have been made to the Tevez saga, but the Premier League took charge of that affair and controversially let off West Ham with a heavy fine and NO points deduction.

Sheffield United – ironically managed by Warnock at the time – went on to win a separate court action and collected millions in compensation from the Irons after being relegated.

QPR’s case would give the team that finishes third similar grounds for legal action.

[Rex]

QPR – who deny the charges, but hope to escape with a massive fine

[DOYLERSAROYALER]

QPR – who deny the charges, but hope to escape with a massive fine

...........just about sums up the stench of this case

......."my lord, my client didnt murder the guy but he will happily accept life imprisonment as opposed to the death penalty"

[Royal With Cheese]

...looks like one of todays redtops is taking a different view on things!

QPR are prepared to wreck the Championship play-offs – as they are facing the threat of a 15-POINT deduction.

Rangers fear their automatic ticket to the Premier League – and a £90million windfall – will be ripped up when an independent commission rules on their controversial Alejandro Faurlin signing.

But People Sport can reveal that the Hoops will appeal against any deduction – sparking the biggest legal wrangle ever in English football.

The decision is due on the eve of the final match of the Championship season, on May 6 – but Rangers would have 14 DAYS to appeal.

It would throw the play-offs into chaos, with the semi-finals due to start on May 12.

If Neil Warnock’s team lose 10 or 15 points – which FA insiders reckon is probable – it will spark mayhem.

But if they are not penalised by a points deduction, the third-placed club could begin legal action for losing out on promotion and a £90m jackpot to a team that allegedly broke the rules.

QPR – who deny the charges, but hope to escape with a massive fine – are prepared to go all the way to get any points restored.

If a large points deduction were imposed, the Londoners would drop out of the top two and the third-placed club would head for an automatic promotion place.

But the play-offs, including the Wembley final, would become pointless as the legal battle rages on.

The only thing QPR and the FA agree on is that an appeal would make the play-offs meaningless.

And Wembley chiefs are in a panic about the verdict and its overall implications – holding several fraught meetings over recent days.

Faurlin has played 39 games this season and been a key part of the club’s success since his move from Argentinian side Instituto de Cordoba.

But Rangers face seven charges relating to Faurlin – the four most serious over an allegation he was owned by a third party – an arrangement outlawed after West Ham’s Carlos Tevez affair in 2007.

The FA want to know where the Faurlin fee ended up, and are looking into the player’s paper trail.

However, the investigation – which began eight months ago – is painfully slow and causing problems.

Rangers met the commission chief recently and astonishingly new questions were raised which have yet to be answered.

So the three-day hearing, starting a week on Wednesday, has an uphill task to make one of the biggest rulings ever.

A leading official said last night: “There is potential madness ahead. Nobody knows, at any level, what the procedure is after that.

“The play-offs begin a week later and nobody would know who was playing who.

“Clubs, fans and organisers would not know when the games were on and how long the process would take.”

There seems to be no room for negotiating the size of the penalty. And there is no precedent for the case which is causing turmoil at FA HQ.

Comparisons have been made to the Tevez saga, but the Premier League took charge of that affair and controversially let off West Ham with a heavy fine and NO points deduction.

Sheffield United – ironically managed by Warnock at the time – went on to win a separate court action and collected millions in compensation from the Irons after being relegated.

QPR’s case would give the team that finishes third similar grounds for legal action.

This is why we should strive to get third. With Cardiff's run in it's a distinct possibility.

[PEARCEY]

If the FA do deduct between 10 and 15 points then they can't be accused of bottling it. However they would know that QPR would appeal and having left the decision so late in the day it was inevitable play-off chaos would ensue.
What a mess.

[Rex]

I suspect a heavy fine and just enough points deducted to ensure they win the league.

[RoyalBlue]

This latest story just shows what a complete and utter mess the incompetent fools at the FA have got themselves into!

Whatever the punishment invoked should QPR be found guilty, the principles of natural justice dictate that they will have the right of appeal against the finding and/or any sanction imposed. Time has to be allowed for the appeals process to be carried out fairly. Therefore any points deduction that alters the final placings will inevitably lead to an appeal and the playoff timetables being thrown into disarray. Whichever club eventually wins through the playoffs will have even less time to sort out its squad for the forthcoming PL campaign than is normally the case.

This is looking more and more likely that a fine will be the only sanction imposed if QPR are found guilty. That is disgraceful. One only has to look at the respective positions of the cheats West Ham and Sheff Utd to see that fines and compensation do not lead to a just outcome. If it happens again, it will once again prove that cheats with power and/or money are able to get away with whatever they like.

You're missing the point. The FA have wrapped up their investigation weeks ago. The time is to allow QPR to prepare their defence to the charges. It would be pretty stupid of the FA to keep Cardiff in the loop during it's investigation, how easy would that make it to mislay or falsify evidence?

When the Police arrest and charge someone it's because they've done most of the work needed for their investigation. It still then takes time to go to trial as the defendent must be given access to all the evidence to build a defence against it so it's a fair trial.

Anything else would be a meaningless show trial.

But People Sport can reveal that the Hoops will appeal against any deduction – sparking the biggest legal wrangle ever in English football.

However, the investigation – which began eight months ago – is painfully slow and causing problems.

Rangers met the commission chief recently and astonishingly new questions were raised which have yet to be answered.

You were saying.......?

[dogzbollox]

I suspect a heavy fine and just enough points deducted to ensure they win the league.

or not getting promoted would technically be a £90m fine....!!

[Rex]

I suspect a heavy fine and just enough points deducted to ensure they win the league.

or not getting promoted would technically be a £90m fine....!!

Which is why this will not happen. The FA will cry foul and back off with a whimper. I suspect there will be a sigh of relief from QPR, take the financial hit on the chin and absorb the £90m as 'compensation'.